Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Thanks for the perspective. I'll admit I haven't really spoken to these sorts of mild types personally before, so seeing how the language changes are simply obscuring inevitable female solidarity in real time was just staggering to me. I imagine this is the same type you'll often see on social media saying "This doesn't happen! Nobody says this!" to something that we know does happen- saw this happening on a post about TIMs claiming to have periods today. It's really no different to anorexia, cutting or a fashion subculture developing in its own way in a bubble, where they're really just cut off from ideas outside of their immediate circle? I've never understood this female trait either.
AMHOLIO said:
These girls are easily spoken over. They'll hide before they get forced to say things online. You can get women who change their mind from it, but you won't always get a fighting spirit. Stay optimistic, even a silent doubter or a quiet protestor is better than nothing. :heart-full:
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I'll keep supporting open discussion where I can. As much as I also like to laugh at the insanity of it all, I'd just rather nobody vulnerable gets hurt :heart-full:
 
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behindyourightnow said:
Thank you for this thread. It gives me an excuse to sperg about something I have noticed about trans-heavy spaces but I have not seen remarked on anywhere:

So, in the more extreme social justice spaces (I am not talking about mainstream liberalism here, or even very woke-flavored liberalism, I am talking about deep in the muck) there is such a taboo about self-improvement or advancement. The dominant belief is that capitalism is crushing us all underfoot, and any personal success might be seen as challenging that belief, so you have to either hide it or not aim for it at all.

In online chronic illness spaces this is really obvious: there is an issue in mainstream American culture with toxic positivity and assuming every illness can be cured by positive thinking, but these people overreact to that by acting like any attempt to physically better yourself is ableism.

In extreme leftist/social justice communities you can't mention your career aims or wanting to buy a house or even wanting to lose weight. That's all coded as right-wing now. You're not allowed any hope or change (sorry Obama, you're in the dustbin of history). "Did you really just suggest that @commiedude420 clear the rotting food scraps off his computer desk? Who are you, Jordan Peterson? How dare you? Don't you realize he doesn't have the spoons? Ableism of any kind is not allowed on this server. All computer desks are valid."

It's a fucking miserable way to live.

But the one personal-improvement journey you are allowed is gender. That's where you are allowed to work on yourself and advance and actually attempt change stuff if you're miserable. You're allowed to talk about your "gender journey" and your desire for surgery and your wishes for the future, and you'll actually get encouraged instead of scolded or ignored. It's like the one thing that people are allowed to pin their hopes on.
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You know, it's pretty damn ironic that these radical social justice types constantly trash capitalism, but they can't even see that transitioning relies on it. What a joke.
 
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One thing that puzzles me is how the pseudo science or pseudo medical behind a lot of troonery is rarely questioned, even by a lot of actual doctors.

Some of it is on the level of flat earth bollocks, citing clownfish and amphibians that change sex as some sort of evidence for that being possible in mammals for instance.

I have seen a few trans activists blare out that science supports them, but when pressed they just start blathering on about not accepting this is prejudiced and wrong.

The other “sciences” that get misinterpreted as supporting transgender people, archaeology, anthropology and history, mostly their claims are based on single examples or not entirely understood and quite vague things.

The example of Hermaphroditus, the Greek “god” which was a hermaphrodite, Elagabalus, a brief Roman emperor who sounded exactly like an AGP, two spirit people in Native American pre-Colombian peoples.

All of these examples come from societies which more or less have the ability to support a parasitic class.
Greeks had philosophers and such, who while they were wealthy and expected to have martial skill, there were long periods which a good number of them were never required to use it.
Similarly in certain roman periods when population was heavy and not so many aristocratic men did join the army as family wealth was secure.
The native Americans at this point were not the post smallpox and plague devastated societies which spring to mind in modern imagination, and while they were obviously still inter warring and such, they had relatively enormous populations.

So like today, there is a whole group of men who don’t really have to work hard thanks to technology and an overall better standard of wealth or are in social demand because of dangerous occupations, regular wars.

Being backed by mish mash modern philosophy, really does reinforce the cult and pseudoscientific belief they hold, making it one of the most contradictory ideas for a long time.
Using science to deny science.

There really does need to be a backlash backed by hardcore scientists and backed by an authority the Troons are willing to accept this from.

The other problem though is the inherent childishness and praising of the childish pursuits of these people.
 
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FinnSven said:
One thing that puzzles me is how the pseudo science or pseudo medical behind a lot of troonery is rarely questioned, even by a lot of actual doctors.
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Conflict of interest disclosures don't go far enough. For example, the MTF doctor running the local trans clinic, a gay male surgeon (how tf does he believe in SRS!) teaching medical students about gay sex and poor widdle MTF kids getting kicked out by their bible-thumping parents, "queer" doctors/trainees pushing to stahp da genocide!!!!!, etc who all apparently have no conflicts whatsoever. They also love to push "med twitter" which is how they "learn" about new developments in medicine, and of course is full of feel good propaganda about trannies. They're in so deep I've seen them share lists of post-SRS complications without batting an eye.
 
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isn't it wacky and uncharacteristic how rare it is to see a happy transgender person? one that's content with life, y'know?

don't mean to power level too much too soon but i've been around a lot of troon dominated spaces (some became that way over time, some i walked into on my own volition/stupidity) and in all of those spaces the main common thread is that these cunts are physically unable to stop whinging. if it's not their "dysphoria" it's their life being shit, and if it's not that its outrage at some political crap that they either barely have a stake in or can't do anything about. it's genuinely depressing and i'd almost feel sympathy for 'em if it wasn't all just issues that they're manufacturing for themselves.
 
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Flanker said:
isn't it wacky and uncharacteristic how rare it is to see a happy transgender person? one that's content with life, y'know?

don't mean to power level too much too soon but i've been around a lot of troon dominated spaces (some became that way over time, some i walked into on my own volition/stupidity) and in all of those spaces the main common thread is that these cunts are physically unable to stop whinging. if it's not their "dysphoria" it's their life being shit, and if it's not that its outrage at some political crap that they either barely have a stake in or can't do anything about. it's genuinely depressing and i'd almost feel sympathy for 'em if it wasn't all just issues that they're manufacturing for themselves.
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Yes, the whole gender ideology comes from the misconception that dysphoria can be called an identity and (ironically enough) be accepted, if that makes any sense.
Dysphoria (unless it's a fetish or an attention seeking phase) needs to be there, so actual trans people are intrinsically sad and miserable. Then again they also argue between themselves about whether dysphoria needs to be there, they don't even agree with each other on that.

A man is a biological male and unless there are mental issues he will accept this because he has no other choice and he won't ever even feel the need to question that. Identifying as a woman is impossible unless you are a woman and hating your body won't make it possible for you to know how to feel something that you can't feel, just as i can't see the inexistent color babbrunztsc or feel my tail.

They claim that gender identity and sex are separate and independent from each other, so why still call them male and female? why not come up with new terms? why do they want them to match and why can they match in the first place is they're supposed to be separate and independent?

It's 99% just men wanting to be (biological) women.

True transgenderism stems from mental illness, however we now also have misguided kids (mainly girls) who don't have dysphoria but still want to be alternative because of inadequacy and troon propaganda.

I have much less simpathy for the latter because they could be living perfectly normal lives if they wanted and they're the overwhelming majority anyway
 
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Flanker said:
isn't it wacky and uncharacteristic how rare it is to see a happy transgender person? one that's content with life, y'know?

don't mean to power level too much too soon but i've been around a lot of troon dominated spaces (some became that way over time, some i walked into on my own volition/stupidity) and in all of those spaces the main common thread is that these cunts are physically unable to stop whinging. if it's not their "dysphoria" it's their life being shit, and if it's not that its outrage at some political crap that they either barely have a stake in or can't do anything about. it's genuinely depressing and i'd almost feel sympathy for 'em if it wasn't all just issues that they're manufacturing for themselves.
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Well yeah, their movement relies on enough members commiting suicide in order to gain some power through victimhood. It's like a movement built on self harming then making demands 'if you don't give us *everything*, we'll cut our wrists again!!'
The sadness is the point.
 
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Random trans thought...

I've been thinking that it really bothers me when I see tifs on YouTube talking about getting phalloplasty and then getting phalloplasty and having complication after complication, having to get another surgery to repair something, yet simultaneously saying they needed it, it was worth it, encouraging others to get the surgery, and also deleting comments that are critical or warn them of the complications that could arise. It's so irresponsible and evil, yet they just continue calling "conservatives" the evil ones for wanting to get rid of "trans healthcare", the "healthcare" that is literally destroying your body. How do they not see it? Their bodies are falling apart and they are making fucking YouTube videos about it, about how they have to get yet another repair surgery, and yet still somehow they tout this stuff as necessary and life-saving. I don't get it. It just makes me so angry at the stupidity and evil of this entire movement.
 
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I've just been thinking recently. I don't have children of my own yet, but how does one realistically raise their kids in the modern age and have them not drink the horse piss kool-aid?
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Develop a real relationship with your child. Have a family life. Have a real life. Don't let them waste away on the internet. Don't let them have a phone. If they have devices, monitor them. Tell them they have no privacy online. Don't allow free access to social media. Teach them about life. Teach them biology. Teach them about the differences between men and women, males and females. Teach them to respect their bodies. Have a spiritual life. Get them involved in activities. Put them in private school or homeschool them. Teach them the truth. Move to a place where this stuff isn't really a thing, a small town maybe. (Believe it or not, there are still kids who don't know anything about transism or what trans is.) And finally, yes, you have to talk to them about this subject. Tell them why it's wrong and evil and unfounded. Once they are old enough, tell them about all the horror it causes for individuals and society.
 
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Lady Farishta said:
How do they not see it?
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They do, they're just going to keep deleting things and repeating thoughts until they can't think about it anymore. Then the problem will go away for a while and before it comes back in a rushing wave of uncontrolable thoughts they've been dealing with their whole life.


They see it, they can't unsee it, but they aren't ready to comprehend the truth, and they wouldn't have the skills or emotional knowledge to know how to if they did. So they repeat the option of "avoiding" that got them into this problem in the first place.
 
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Reading some of the MtF divorce stories in the L's thread made me wonder if the bulk of the "women trapped in troon marriages" phenomenon is already behind us. There is a finite supply of AGPs who are narcissistic and manipulative enough to trap a suitably downtrodden woman into marriage before trooning out. These days, with social acceptance and the Reddit hugbox, most of the men in that category are probably not willing to wait in the closet that long.

What we seem to see a lot these days is men trooning out without following the old AGP rules. Either they troon out too early (before marriage and at least one child) and the woman leaves, or they just don't have the personality type and downtrodden wife to pull it off, so the woman leaves and takes the kids.

The unfortunate Reddit male with a sissy fetish doesn't realize that he is trying to follow a playbook that was established by and for domineering crossdressers with cluster-B personality disorders, and then he cannot understand why it doesn't work for him.
 
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gugui said:
Sorry if this was brought up already or is generally a retarded question but why do people troon out besides AGP?
Like.. is there any “valid” reason to become a troon because I haven’t seen one as of yet
Rate me late if you want to but I am curious
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You're fine. This thread is for catching up too, maybe some people will give you clocks but that's the nature of the farms.

A few reasons people troon out:
  • To fit in: easily influenced lonely people need friends. Look for a group. Those troons seem happy and they share all your interest, AND they want you to join and give you so much love! Love to the point you're lovebombed into trooning. Now you have people telling you you're desireable for the first time and you're lonely so you'll take it. You also have a built in friend group even though in the long run you'll likely cut off others.
  • To be a cool kid: If the other kid in your friendship group decides to become a person of gender and you want to rock the same fashion and get complements of stunning brave from your teen group, become trans. You can be trans lite and only cross dress or declare yourself nonbinary but still reap the social cred and admiration from others. Try it online so you can bitch about oppressors without feeling bad that you're a middle to upper class kid without many real problems but feel guilt over not having struggles. Use it to write gay and lesbian fanfiction without people calling you out for fetishizing them. Use it to become high on the SJW ladder on twitter. Finally get the nerd power you crave without effort in accomplishing things!
  • For a cure: why do you always feel bad? Why are you anxious, depressed, angry, and full of self loathing? Do you do years of therapy to confront some very hard things you want to forget about to find out your problems have no easy solution and you have to work what seems like an insurmountable hill to get better, or do you pray for someone to come up with a quick fix so you never, ever have to face or feel even MORE uncomfortable for long periods of time? It's sad but it's how it is. Non-troons have their own ways of looking for cures too, like prescribed drugs from a doctor that doesn't give them long therapy talks, street drugs, ignoring things and moving on forever, getting into fads, and so on.
  • To rebel against mom and dad. Fuck you!
  • Because you see your body as meat lego and forget that things connect to each other. Frequent in things like anxiety and autism where the brain sometimes disassociates from the body. They just don't "feel" like something, and it's because their brain isn't connecting the wires.
  • Fashion statement. Bodymodding for fun or wearing weird clothes for acceptable reasons to others.
  • Most tragically, body dysmorphia and sexual assault. Body dysmorphia overlaps to those with eating disorders, it's easier to ask doctors to lop off parts so you can get underweight and your ideal body is ANYTHING not you. Sexual assault can lead to people looking to defend themselves by making themselves visually unappealing (becoming super fat can happen) or hiding in plain sight (this would have never happened if my body looked like everyone else's, especially to women who want to hide as men). It blows when you talk to less obnoxious trans people and slowly see a trend.
  • To not grow up. This seems more like a side effect, but a lot of people who think "life would be better if only I was X!" want to go back to the responsibility free days of younger years and live out an ideal childhood for either gender that never existed. It helps avoid responsibility and lets you focus on you and more importantly hedonism so you can get that extra dopamine from somewhere. This is where trans widows seem to come from as the men are having crises and are too stupid or coom brained to not act on selfish impulse.

That's what I've understood in my time. I'm sure I missed something aside from AGP/autoANDROphilia/getting a girlfriend.
 
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Lady Farishta said:
Random trans thought...

I've been thinking that it really bothers me when I see tifs on YouTube talking about getting phalloplasty and then getting phalloplasty and having complication after complication, having to get another surgery to repair something, yet simultaneously saying they needed it, it was worth it, encouraging others to get the surgery, and also deleting comments that are critical or warn them of the complications that could arise. It's so irresponsible and evil, yet they just continue calling "conservatives" the evil ones for wanting to get rid of "trans healthcare", the "healthcare" that is literally destroying your body. How do they not see it? Their bodies are falling apart and they are making fucking YouTube videos about it, about how they have to get yet another repair surgery, and yet still somehow they tout this stuff as necessary and life-saving. I don't get it. It just makes me so angry at the stupidity and evil of this entire movement.
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I agree with you 100%.

It's one of the worst aspects of this vile cult. Even the surgeries that are not "botched" are fucking disasters, but the young women that are getting them don't know any better. None of these grafted on wrist skin meat sausages will ever behave, nor feel (to their owners) like normal penises, but these gullible young women have no fucking clue what actually having a penis is like, so they get suckered into thinking it's a solution to their problems. Nobody who has any experience of real penises would ever be fooled, and likewise with inverted penis axe wound vaginas.

There's not even evidence that this stuff is "life-saving".

I think a lot of it comes down to "if they do the same thing as me, I'll feel better". It's smackhead logic.
 
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