Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Brain Power]

What is "gender noncorforming" even supposed to be? While we're at it, how are you supposed to be the opposite that doesn't get mentioned that much, "gender conforming"? And don't come at me with stereotypes to explain it. No one has given me an answer that's not completely stupid so far.

 

[Anasa Tristis]

What is "gender noncorforming" even supposed to be? While we're at it, how are you supposed to be the opposite that doesn't get mentioned that much, "gender conforming"? And don't come at me with stereotypes to explain it. No one has given me an answer that's not completely stupid so far.

I saw a great line the other day: "Gender is the cultural manifestation of sex." Culture is how certain homogeneous groups do life. How they work, get and eat their food, make art, reproduce. etc. Modern tech and progress has completely deconstructed and rearranged gender conformity/gendered culture. So naturally it is hard to define well nowadays. You have to go back in time to see what they used to be. And do a compare and contrast.

Before the modern age, males and females had separate cultures, separate domains. Gender used to be "vernacular". It was common, capability based labor and social role divisions which supported communal subsistence living. In the deep past, everyone worked their asses off to the limits of their bodies, with consideration paid and allowances made to their sexed bodies and reproductive roles. Because reproducing was risky and really important then. And in that regard, men were expendable. Women for obvious reasons weren't. And getting fresh and healthy genetic material for your family was critical. You could only boink your blood relatives so much before inbreeding depression set in and you got compromised offspring. So yes, women were valued, traded, stolen, "controlled", etc.

Back to divisions of critical labor: Men went hunting. Women foraged. Men lined up and scythed the wheat. Women used hand sickles and gathered and stacked the sheaves. Men went to war and women said "Return with your shield or on it." Women cared for the young, the sick and the dying. Men went down into the mines, into the foundries, the factories, and then up into the skyscrapers.

By the time we hit factory and skyscraper, it was no longer critical that everyone work their asses off to the limits of their sexed bodies to keep the species going. (For some classes, I should add here.) And rigid gendered cultures and domains started to loosen, overlap, and switch places entirely. With the march of modern industrial history, females especially lost their cultures and domains. And their critical reproductive roles. With the post industrial age, they've gotten some new domains, but now they're competing against men instead of working in a complementary fashion alongside and with them.

Gender conformity used to be very practical. It was how you did your part in supporting your clan and community within the limits and uses of your body. Being or behaving feminine or masculine wasn't optional, your femininity or masculinity defined how much (or what) you could do. And you just did it and accepted it because that was just the way things were and trying to push past those limits could get you in big social trouble (for being disruptive or threatening to the community's survival) or in the case of women, get you maimed or killed. Everyone had responsibilities and expectations. Everyone willingly made sacrifices too.

Nowadays there are fewer practical sex based limits imposed on behavior, appearance, jobs, sex, reproduction, etc. Fewer responsibilities and expectations too. Sacrificing anything is for losers. Mainly because we can rely on tech (or the State or the Market) rather than on each other for survival. And to meet our needs or correct our mistakes. And to talk relativistic rings around what used to be absolute truths.

"Gender is the cultural manifestation of sex" and all cultures are being watered down by tech enabled neoliberal globalism and multiculturalism. Sexual ones are not exempt. But the evolutionary drives in our lizard brains remain. And there are certain things that still resonate as right and proper sex based behaviors, etc. So there is still a bit of expectations and responsibility when it comes to gendered culture and domains. For now. But since they're not as critical as they once were, there's squabbling over whether they're completely obsolete or not. Not surprisingly, between generations. And between those who have meaning in their lives and those who do not.

Sorry for the lengthy sperg. I hope that's a more satisfactory answer.

 

[Brain Power]

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That doesn't really give me an answer. With so many kiwis that label themselves as "GNC", I thought I could get a simple explanation on what makes them a totally valid label, and not just someone who wants to be speshul by doing nothing, especially when some start marking kids as GNC and making them confused Is a man who likes cooking and decorating GNC? No. Is a woman who likes sports and getting dirty fixing shit GNC? No. Then what is it?

 

[Aunt Carol]

With so many kiwis that label themselves as "GNC"

I think when people say that they're GNC here, it's shorthand for "I'm a short-haired woman who doesn't wear makeup and I am SICK AND TIRED of sanctimonious pooners trying to crack my egg."

The whole "transgender umbrella" is supposed to contain gender nonconforming people, but I don't think the label gives people enough social credit anymore to use it in socjus spaces. People who are grasping at straws like that are going to pick "nonbinary" instead.

 

[Anasa Tristis]

That doesn't really give me an answer. With so many kiwis that label themselves as "GNC", I thought I could get a simple explanation on what makes them a totally valid label, and not just someone who wants to be speshul by doing nothing, especially when some start marking kids as GNC and making them confused Is a man who likes cooking and decorating GNC? No. Is a woman who likes sports and getting dirty fixing shit GNC? No. Then what is it?

So long as there are two separate sexes with differently evolved bodies, there will always be sexual cultural manifestations and differences between them. Different "genders". But those cultures will change and the differences will grow smaller as long as the resources that support our modern lives (and our wildest individual rights imaginings) don't tap out. Then there will be corrections. And a return to older and more discriminatory ways of living.

But compared to other eras, we're all GNC now. So no, it's not really all that speshul in 2023. Or takes much effort, unless you push it to troondom. (But even there, you can get help if you want it.) GNC is just a matter of degree. If anything, being GC is tougher to accomplish because being GNC is supported and permitted everywhere. It's expected, really, especially of modern women. Both sexes are no longer strongly limited by what our bodies can or can't do. And it's no longer critical for people to have specific and rigid sex based jobs for the survival of the community.

 

[teriyakiburns]

One of the things I still cannot get over, no matter how I try, is a conversation I witnessed in my old gaming group that all trooned out while I was busy with work, a little while before I wuit it for good. The broad strokes of it was a couple of the freshly trooned, extolling the virtues of their newly found mental freedom and clarity. One said he he noticed the abating of his "sexual hunger" when he started taking spiro, after which he started ranting about how all men just want to rape all the time, and he's glad he doesn't want that any more now that he was trans. This "hunger", which he saw as inherently destructive, was how he described becoming aroused at the sight of an attractive woman. He so hated his own sexuality that he thought popping a boner was a sign of its inherent evil. It should be no surprise that, after he trooned, he was quick to declare himself a "lesbian".

At the time, it was just another peaking moment, but soon afterwards I found it cementing a thought that I'd had for a while. There's a common argument, here and elsewhere, that troons come in two flavours: the homosexual-transexual and the autogynephile. I think there's a third, in the shape of the self-medicating "rapist". These are men who have accepted the widely touted belief that all men are rapists waiting to happen and that male sexuality is centred around rape. It places them in an impossible position of perceiving their normal sexual desire as evil and damaging, which they attempt to resolve through chemical or physical castration and becoming "female", which in turn brings "relief" from that "hunger".

Sometimes they are actually violent rapists-in-waiting, but I think that only accounts for a small number. It certainly doesn't account for this one. In this guy's case, he didn't display any of the traits I think would normally be associated with an AGP or HSTS. He never once claimed to have imagined himself a female, or done anything that would indicate he had that sort of sexual fantasy centred on that, and he was very definitely straight. He just snapped once day and became trans to relieve himself of the imposed guilt, of being a male with male sexuality, that had been pummeled into him for years by everyone around him.

 

[dick brain]

Trannies are just furries with human fursonas.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

But compared to other eras, we're all GNC now. So no, it's not really all that speshul in 2023. Or takes much effort, unless you push it to troondom. (But even there, you can get help if you want it.) GNC is just a matter of degree. If anything, being GC is tougher to accomplish because being GNC is supported and permitted everywhere. It's expected, really, especially of modern women. Both sexes are no longer strongly limited by what our bodies can or can't do. And it's no longer critical for people to have specific and rigid sex based jobs for the survival of the community.

I also like Ivan illyich and think he was correct about a lot of things. Mary Harrington has written about the pill as something that flattened sexual difference. Like if most jobs are done with spreadsheets and women no longer can get taken out of the workplace because of their reproductive abilities, what are the differences between men and women, really??? She posits the rise of troons as one unfortunate side effect of the dissolution of sexual difference. (obviously not the only cause of troons).

yet ppl feel a lack and a desire to re-assert them in these almost comical ways (big lip fillers for women and xl pit bully ownership for men are a few examples.)

 

[Fear&LoathinginMcDonalds]

Are there any therapists out there recommending to their tranny leaning patients to just stop jacking it daily and to stop watching porn for 90 days?
Or to like, disconnect themselves from their poisonous communities for a while to see if they still have these 'dysphoric' thoughts without outside influence?

It seems like a cleansing of the dopamine center would be an effective cure when the problem is mostly cock-hypnosis brain fog from daily gooning sessions.

I've just never seen a tranny tell a story where their therapist doesn't just encourage their delusions. Are the shrinks just legally obligated to go along with it or something?

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Are there any therapists out there recommending to their tranny leaning patients to just stop jacking it daily and to stop watching porn for 90 days?

There are therapists specializing in porn addiction, but addicts don't seek them out because like jacking off all the time, and unlike drug or alcohol addicts who show obvious signs, you don't know your friend is a porn addict until they show up to work one day wearing a wig and saying their new name is Gwen.

That's how I found out one colleague is a porn addict, it was not a happy day.

 

[Wallace]

At the time, it was just another peaking moment, but soon afterwards I found it cementing a thought that I'd had for a while. There's a common argument, here and elsewhere, that troons come in two flavours: the homosexual-transexual and the autogynephile. I think there's a third, in the shape of the self-medicating "rapist". These are men who have accepted the widely touted belief that all men are rapists waiting to happen and that male sexuality is centred around rape. It places them in an impossible position of perceiving their normal sexual desire as evil and damaging, which they attempt to resolve through chemical or physical castration and becoming "female", which in turn brings "relief" from that "hunger".

This strikes me as more a case of trans as millenarianism. Troonery functions as being born again, a way to ritualistically absolve yourself or the original sin of your white penis.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

Is there any proof for the statement that majority of women don't care about trannies in female hospital wards? When Rishi Sunak banned troons from entering womens' wards in hospitals, one super pro trans acquaintance of mine claimed that there is a UK study that "confirms" most women have no problem with trans women in female hospital wards. She then concluded that Rishi Sunak is a evil bigoted transphobe for banning them from the womens' ward and that JK Rowling and the evil lesbian TERFS are trying to exclude them from everywhere. I tried looking up the study and could not find any results.

How many MTF troons suffer from hoarding disorders? Do hoarding disorders overlap cluster and narcissistic personality personality disorders?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

There's a common argument, here and elsewhere, that troons come in two flavours: the homosexual-transexual and the autogynephile. I think there's a third, in the shape of the self-medicating "rapist". These are men who have accepted the widely touted belief that all men are rapists waiting to happen and that male sexuality is centred around rape. It places them in an impossible position of perceiving their normal sexual desire as evil and damaging, which they attempt to resolve through chemical or physical castration and becoming "female", which in turn brings "relief" from that "hunger".

IME as an extroon, the dated "dual typology" system of categorisation fails to take into account the modern phenomena of social contagion and ROGD and as such cannot be applied effectively to today's people of gender, many of whom don't fit neatly into the boxes of "middle-aged AGP crossdresser perv" or "gay man with early-onset feminine behaviour". Not to mention the whole cult-like ideology surrounding gender nowadays, which attracts a subset of discontented young people who never would have transitioned otherwise. Maybe you could expand the theory with more "types", but using any sort of strict classification is both difficult and counterproductive when it comes to actually understanding why people choose to transition.

Perhaps transgenderism is better viewed as the result of a combination of personal risk factors such as social exposure, porn addiction, sexual abuse history, autism, AGP/AAP, or obsessions/intrusive thoughts relating to gender and/or attraction. All these things contribute to a feeling of mental disconnect from one's own sex, and the greater the disconnect, the more likely someone is to swallow the troon pill. Or something like that. There's so many facets to trannyshit now - pulling it all together into a unified theory would be an absolutely gargantuan task.

Trannies are just furries with human fursonas.

Actually a very good way of putting it lol. It's all about crafting a perfect idealised version of yourself to present to the world that immediately conveys how cool and special you are, like a business card for your personality. A lot of furries express genuine anguish towards the fact that they can't become their fursonas IRL as if they're suffering from a slightly more fantastical version of gender dysphoria.

 

[Jacques1194]

Actually a very good way of putting it lol. It's all about crafting a perfect idealised version of yourself to present to the world that immediately conveys how cool and special you are, like a business card for your personality. A lot of furries express genuine anguish towards the fact that they can't become their fursonas IRL as if they're suffering from a slightly more fantastical version of gender dysphoria.

Tbh give it a few more years and we'll see the furry community make trans species an actual thing.I know a lot of trannies claim trans species is ridiculous, but the fact that there's a sub group of the trans community who takes genders like catgender,stargender, and any neogender seriously is proof they're wrong.Honestly, i'm just baffled at how anyone takes these people seriously.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Literally whenever someone confronts a troon they’ll say “no one at my gym has a problem with me using the women’s locker room.”
Oh really? Every woman was asked? And if she said she didn’t mind it wasn’t out of pressure? And she knew what she was agreeing to? Fuck, they can’t even do accurate polling on trans issues because normies don’t even know if a “transwoman” is a biological male pretending to be a woman or vice versa.
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Anyway, what do troons conceive of themselves as?

I mean even contrapoints who is a fairly well-known/mainstream facing troon has said the “female soul in a male body” is an oversimplification made up to “convince” people.

“Born this way” was stolen from gay rights partly because it was very effective in making people sympathetic to the cause. (Actually, gay people will often say “born gay” is an oversimplification itself, but that’s another topic).

They also insist that you don’t need dysphoria to be trans. But then they’ll commonly say they have a “female brain” and if they’re not allowed to go into the women’s locker room it will make them suicidal.

In more secret troon only discords, troons seem to simultaneously admit they have AGP but also gender dysphoria, and that being AGP doesn’t make them any less of women.

I know none of it making any sense and being contradictory is par for the course for troons. They only care about saying and thinking what makes them feel good, I guess.

 

[Susanna]

Yet in more secret troon only discords, troons seem to simultaneously admit they have AGP but also gender dysphoria, and that being AGP doesn’t make them any less of women.

They openly argue that real women are also AGP, because we prefer to not dress like total slobs. Don’t waste effort trying to logic insanity.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

They openly argue that real women are also AGP, because we prefer to not dress like total slobs. Don’t waste effort trying to logic insanity.

Oh yeah, the tranny cope around agp is hilarious.

All women get off in seeing themselves in skinny skirts. I only imagine myself having sex as a woman (textbook definition of agp) because I am a woman. Completely the same as a woman feeling a little sexy in some lingerie.

In private the more honest ones seem to admit they have AGP and it’s very different than actually being a woman (they’ll say “real women”), which is what I’m referring to I guess.

 

[Randomrando]

Hopefully this fits here; I got into the gender debate with my painfully liberal boomer uncle a few days ago and it's still stuck in my head

His stance;

• Jamie Lee Curtis was born with testicles (note: I can find absolutely nothing online supporting this)
• There's a civilization (actually, the biggest) that raises their boys like girls. How? Oh they don't cut their hair so that makes boys gentle (note: he never named the civilization and became incredibly upset when I questioned how having long hair meant the boys were being raised as girls and if gentlness was a purely female trait.)
• Chromosomes don't exist, it's a spectrum, he himself might be female, who knows??
• There are effeminate men
• He's met 3 trans people

It ended with him raising his voice, saying "I believe in God" I responded "how is that relevant" to which I was met with "how is anything relevant?!?!?!"

Anywho my stance was that the transgender movement is harmful to women because it

• Allows men to enter our spaces and prey on us
• The majority of transgender surgeries happening are on vulrenable and mentally ill young women
• Pushes harmful stereotypes (he he I wear dress, have long hair, and am bitch he he I am woman on period he he)
• Not totally a womans issue but theyre destroying the brain development and fertility of children in favor of appearance.

But, ya know, Jamie Lee Curtis had balls and theres a civilization that doesnt cut boys hair so they become gentle. We all need to shut it and accept girl cock and mutilation or whatever

 

[Mad_Dog]

Hopefully this fits here; I got into the gender debate with my painfully liberal boomer uncle a few days ago and it's still stuck in my head

His stance;

• Jamie Lee Curtis was born with testicles (note: I can find absolutely nothing online supporting this)
• There's a civilization (actually, the biggest) that raises their boys like girls. How? Oh they don't cut their hair so that makes boys gentle (note: he never named the civilization and became incredibly upset when I questioned how having long hair meant the boys were being raised as girls and if gentlness was a purely female trait.)
• Chromosomes don't exist, it's a spectrum, he himself might be female, who knows??
• There are effeminate men
• He's met 3 trans people

It ended with him raising his voice, saying "I believe in God" I responded "how is that relevant" to which I was met with "how is anything relevant?!?!?!"

Anywho my stance was that the transgender movement is harmful to women because it

• Allows men to enter our spaces and prey on us
• The majority of transgender surgeries happening are on vulrenable and mentally ill young women
• Pushes harmful stereotypes (he he I wear dress, have long hair, and am bitch he he I am woman on period he he)
• Not totally a womans issue but theyre destroying the brain development and fertility of children in favor of appearance.

But, ya know, Jamie Lee Curtis had balls and theres a civilization that doesnt cut boys hair so they become gentle. We all need to shut it and accept girl cock and mutilation or whatever

Your uncle is retarded.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Jamie Lee Curtis was born with testicles (note: I can find absolutely nothing online supporting this)

This has been a persistent rumour for decades. The logic runs like this: She has a flat bum and isn't conventionally attractive, so she must be a hermaphrodite.

Anyone who has seen True Lies knows it's all bullshit, but that's never stopped the stupid rumour mill from turning.