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Ok Bob, let's see how you like it. I've just acquired the rights to make a Mario movie. Now, I would argue that Mario is unfilmable, depending on your definition; either A) it literally cannot be made into a film, B) it is not interesting enough on its own to be a film and will need bits added, ir C) is too dense a work to be filmed completely faithfully and will need editorialising. LOTR was considered unfilmable so Peter Jackson went with C, and I think that's what Bob's using.More LOTR bullshit from Robert.
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For context, here is the new clip from the Amazon LOTR that had people bitching:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1559210197431754753
Basically it is warrior princess Galadriel announcing herself with all her pompuous titles and shit, and then the editing dry cuts (even the musics stops) to a new human only saying his name, as his bluntness juxtaposes Galadriel regal pomp.
I don't even think I have to explain that, but yes Robert is right, it is a beat, a humorous one, the type of a humurous beat that relies on a build up of a statement of seriousness and importance, only to be undercut by the trivial or the ridiculous, AKA A JOKE!!!!!!
It is the bathos shit that the MCU relies like a crutch, overused to be the point it became assinine, but not as obnoxious as Robert pretending that it isn't the case, and it is clear as day that this Amazon LOTR will be very much "current year" in its presentation, failing to capture the timelessness of the original work due not having the same talent behind it's words, but instead using modern storytelling conventions to claim audiences.
Also Robert doesn't know how "canon" work. Canon when used in the context of what the fanbase considers "true to the orignal story" isn't just about adaptation, but also to sequels or prequels to a original work. Usually "canon" relates to anything made by the original author, while anex work made by others are either seen "alternative takes" and not to be taken part of the main story, but there are exceptions, and those are usually made when said work strongly resembles the sytle of the original author.
There are cases when the author dies mid-work, and said work is completed by another, such recent case is the manga "Berserker", the author recently passed away but his team and best friend are carrying on with the work, and the fanbase seems to be taking the new chapters as canon because it seems the story has been already been delineated by the original author.
In terms of adaptation, what is considered canon is a work that retains the events and characteristics of the story as close as possible to be recognizable from the original work for authenticity, and it may vary depending of the proprety.
Sam Reimi's Spider-man doen't read like any previous Spider-man comic, but it does have just enough similiarities with the original work, mainly the names of the characters, powers, similiar origin story, that with just take people will take the movie as a genuine "Spider-man", and that maybe be dues the fact that Spider-man already has numerous adaptations in other forms and medias that as long as it retains the basics, that will be enough.
Not so with Lord of the Rings, this work has one very specific source. And yet, the Peter Jackson flicks are considered "canon", even if the story doesn't go over the spam of decades to finish, even if there is no Tom Bombadil and no Scouring of the Shire, and yet the movies are taken as a accepted adaptaion because it remains faithful to the original work in key points to be seen as "genuine".
What ticks me off is that Robert knows that, at least to a point. The notion that "canon" is a 100% adaptation is ludicrous, if that were the case, then there would be no way for stories to transverse medias, this is some bad faith bullshit Robert does and he keeps doing it because he thinks everybody is an idiot.
It would be better if Robert was honest in his stupidity, instead of this malicious bullshit he tries to squirm his way around to dunk on them chuds.
Let's be charitable and use Bob's definition. There are too many Mario games for me to make a faithful film for them all. How would I include Sunshine, Galaxy, RPG and Mario Kart all at once? Let's cut bits.
If we're cutting bits, that also means I get to change bits. We need to fit the modern day after all. Mario wears a red hat with an M on it, so he must be a MAGA supporter. The plot will revolve around Magario fighting Joe Biden (Bowser in disguise) and Kamala Harris (Birdo) in order to reinstate Donald Trump, as Magario has evidence that the election was rigged.
What do you mean this is nothing like the source material and offensive to the fans? Mario is unfilmable! That means we get to do whatever we want. And I'm sure Bob wpuld just love the stylistic changes we've made to his beloved franchise.
Point being: having a lot to established canon doesn't mean you get to just make shit up or fuck around with what already exists. It doesn't mean "canon doesn't real bro". It means you have to put some actual work into making something that's both faithful and narratively satisfying.
In summary, Bob's an idiot, his argument doesn't work and his point would backfire horribly as soon as it was directed at something he loved instead.
Fuck you Bob. You call yourself a thinker, why don't you fucking try it sometime.
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