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Just as a thought exercise, imagine writing a game called The Thirteenth Century. You get to represent pretty much everyone we know much about--Mongolians, Russians, Mayans, Franks, Anglo-Saxons, Shang China, and so on. Your task is to represent things reasonably accurately, not leaving out major features of religion, warfare, political organization, economic structures (including slavery) foreign relations, and so on.

This RPG would get you banned almost everywhere because everything would be problematic. Every depiction of every culture would be deemed racist, sexist, and worse. You'd be labeled a Nazi--the 21st century version of "Satanist"--and driven out of the scene, probably banned from every convention.
Around 6 or 7 years ago I think, there was a video game that did this. I forget the name. But it was promoted as a gritty, realistic look at life in the 12th or 13th century .
All the reviews slammed it for not being sensitive enough and not making it a big safe space to play in.
 
Around 6 or 7 years ago I think, there was a video game that did this. I forget the name. But it was promoted as a gritty, realistic look at life in the 12th or 13th century .
All the reviews slammed it for not being sensitive enough and not making it a big safe space to play in.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance. It got savaged for not including non-europeans in a game set in High Medieval Bohemia. Most of the articles pointed towards readers towards the Medieval POC tumblr which fails at even it's basic premise, because almost all of it's depictions come from A) African and Middle Eastern saints recorded by the catholic church and B) Representation of africans in art from the early modern period, after the colonization of the canary islands and the beginning of the trans-atlantic slave trade.
 
Kingdom Come: Deliverance. It got savaged for not including non-europeans in a game set in High Medieval Bohemia. Most of the articles pointed towards readers towards the Medieval POC tumblr which fails at even it's basic premise, because almost all of it's depictions come from A) African and Middle Eastern saints recorded by the catholic church and B) Representation of africans in art from the early modern period, after the colonization of the canary islands and the beginning of the trans-atlantic slave trade.
Yeah. I had my issues with KC:D but that was mostly controls and mechanics. The theme and setting were perfectly fine.

The Tcho-Tcho really trigger the socjus faggots because they are hard-wired to cannibalism and Mythos corruption. Some of the sourcebooks (original CoC, as well as d20's take) straight up state that you could raise a Tcho-Tcho outside of its culture, but any exposure to their native behaviors would draw them in and convert them to their original ways.
 
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Yeah. I had my issues with KC:biggrin: but that was mostly controls and mechanics. The theme and setting were perfectly fine.

The Tcho-Tcho really trigger the socjus faggots because they are hard-wired to cannibalism and Mythos corruption. Some of the sourcebooks (original CoC, as well as d20's take) straight up state that you could raise a Tcho-Tcho outside of its culture, but any exposure to their native behaviors would draw them in and convert them to their original ways.

They get riled up if you make an RPG where women and men don't have the same physical stats. Doesn't matter that this is how reality works; you're under a moral obligation to imagine a different reality when you make a game, one that conforms to socjus ideals.

Bringing up the subject on RPG.net will catch you an immediate ban.
 
They get riled up if you make an RPG where women and men don't have the same physical stats. Doesn't matter that this is how reality works; you're under a moral obligation to imagine a different reality when you make a game, one that conforms to socjus ideals.

Bringing up the subject on RPG.net will catch you an immediate ban.
I don't have a problem with men and women having the same attribute modifiers in an RPG. RPGs are escapism. Fantasy in the purest sense. You're playing something you're not.

What I get irked about are the endless demands. 'You MUST do it this way.'

I really think Adventurer's League and Pathfinder Society need to be pared back to a simple matchmaking system to hook up players and GMs. This whole 'you must play this way if you want to be offishul' really chaps my ass.
 
I don't have a problem with men and women having the same attribute modifiers in an RPG. RPGs are escapism. Fantasy in the purest sense. You're playing something you're not.

What I get irked about are the endless demands. 'You MUST do it this way.'

I really think Adventurer's League and Pathfinder Society need to be pared back to a simple matchmaking system to hook up players and GMs. This whole 'you must play this way if you want to be offishul' really chaps my ass.

Yeah, see, I don't give a shit what kind of game you make, but I'm not an RPG.net mod. Gonzo fantasy with Amazonian warrior maidens? Fine. Bronze Age realism plus zombies? Fine. Detailed overblown Full Spectrum Autism? Fine (don't ask me to play it). The difference between the RPG.net mentality and anybody who is remotely socially adjusted is they're self-appointed imagination police. AD&D had STR limits on female characters, which is why anyone who played it and doesn't repent is a bad person. You must imagine things according to their rules, or you're a Nazi. Have your permaban, chud.
 
AD&D had STR limits on female characters, which is why anyone who played it and doesn't repent is a bad person. You must imagine things according to their rules, or you're a Nazi. Have your permaban, chud.
IT's also why they insist that Gygax was a sexist.

Point out that women and men have different 'stats' in real life, and they lose their shit.
 
Again, you didn't get to meet the full both barrels effect when evangelicals get their hands on something they think is demonic. They didn't change names, they confiscated the material and threw it into a fire. Cringe lore changes is still not worse than that.
A couple of crazy nuts throwing books into a fire while nutty, doesn't stop the company from continuing the print the books.

Now? The scolds can actually get the company to stop making the books.

Did you live through it? Did you get to attend your family's church burning your "occult paraphenalia" on pallet fires? Someone wasn't alive when Pat Robertson, a televangelist, almost got the presidency. Hell, Trump had televangelists in his goddamned cabinet. The fundies are always in places of power, even if it's more fragmented (THANK THE GODS).
The fundies are a joke in the media and pop culture. The woke are endorsed by the media and pop culture.
 
I'm sure they're mad about checkers too, because when you say "KING ME" you're obviously assuming the piece's gender.
Don't even need that. Remember, white goes first.
The checkers sets we had as kids were always Red/Black, so... Injuns vs. Nigs I guess?

I'm surprised they haven't come up with "Gay Checkers" yet, where the colors are Pink vs. Teal and instead of King Me you say "YAS QUEEEEEEN" when you reach the other side. 😆
 
The checkers sets we had as kids were always Red/Black, so... Injuns vs. Nigs I guess?

I'm surprised they haven't come up with "Gay Checkers" yet, where the colors are Pink vs. Teal and instead of King Me you say "YAS QUEEEEEEN" when you reach the other side. 😆
You have not googled hard enough...
 
Now? The scolds can actually get the company to stop making the books.
That's why my previous opinion has changed. That IS more dangerous than what the talibengicals did.

But you're still incorrect about the fundies being a joke. If a demographic is worth a presidential candidate or party trying to appeal to them, they're still relevant.
 
But you're still incorrect about the fundies being a joke. If a demographic is worth a presidential candidate or party trying to appeal to them, they're still relevant.
I wasn't saying the fundies are a joke, I said they are a joke in the media and pop culture. Which means if - by some chance - you happen to see Christian fundamentalists in the news or in a fictional work outside of the culture, it will be depicted as a joke.

Ned Flanders is about the last fundamentalist I can recall ever being shown somewhat sympathetically and he's still a gag. (of course, everyone in Simpsons is)
 
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I'm pretty sure that "native speakers numbering in the low six digits after centuries of recovery" does count as "almost completely exterminated". But what do I know, I'm just an evil colonizer squatting on sacred Indian clay.
 
And there's quite a few other Native American and First Nations people who've had their culture misportrayed in similar ways who would also potentially find this offensive.

potentially find this offensive.

potentially
If you're not portraying Native Americans as constantly raiding each other for slaves and whoring out their wives to strangers, you're misrepresenting them.
 
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