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I interrupt your scheduled seething session about...D&D to announce that someone has broken their programming and is complaining on how long it takes to process an ban appeal.
Tanka is not amused.
Tanka is not amused.
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Poor wmarshal is about to visit the cornfield via Tanka.
LOL "Press conferencing"? I could watch these people getting torn limb from limb by grizzly bears and I would sleep like a baby. They really are the worst people in the world. Ever.
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Remember how both the Nazis and the Russians were " dealing" with anyone who criticized their ideology?
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Okay, yeah. I've still got my Player's Handbook from the very first printing of 5e. I didn't realize that they'd slipped that in there.
Also, the attempted Bowdlerization of D&D is a phenomenon of the last couple of years with shit like the wild beyond the witchlight and Strixhaven and such. In the early days of 5E, it was more of a return to form. My impression was always that it was meant to feel like BECMI without actually being based on BECMI. I mean for fuck's sake, go look up the entry on hags in the monster manual, they literally eat babies in order to reproduce.
Come to think of it, why didn't that get retconned? In the meantime, have some more of the endless, orcish struggle session.
I love how they continually invent new infractions that make it very easy to break a rule without realizing that you're breaking a rule. See also: Holdoing.
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What's really frustrating is that the reason for asking in the Trouble Tickets subforum is because there was no answer when appealing. Leave a fucking channel open, jannies.
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But that would hold them accountable for their actions!
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So yeah, original link in quote, but I'll leave a screencap below (and an archive link that someone already made) if for some reason Tanka or another jannie decides to erase evidence (highly unlikely, though, as they probably schlick themselves to a "job well done"):
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Well I guess now "Gender is a
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When you're just making shit up as you go, ambiguity and opacity are desirable. It's like corporate HR: the rules are to get other people in trouble.
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This may be the shittiest shitmod on the shittiest site on the Internet. With RetardEra out there, Tanka has truly accomplished something to be more vile and disgusting and shitty and smug than any other mod on the Internet. Honestly I would curbstomp this dude American History X style given the opportunity.
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Back in the day you'd get hardcore Christians protesting at roleplaying conventions. Very few generally and incredibly easy to avoid, but they were there.
That was outside the gates, though. What we have now is worse because it's when you get inside, the bit where you're meant to be able to relax and have fun, and then someone decides to make a big deal about something and all of a sudden everyone has to have their pronouns on a badge or make sure the worst roleplayers in the room don't feel 'unsafe' in any way.
The Satanic Panic and associated overreaction to roleplaying in general and D&D in particular was real, but came from people who didn't understand what was actually going on. The current damage being done to gaming is by people who know what's involved, but want it to disavow everything before they started playing and change to suit their needs. The lefty version of being called a scion of Satan is being called a sexist, homophobic, transphobic fascist bigot, and it carries much more weight if someone within the group says it than if someone outside does.
That also involves a lot of gaslighting and cult-like thinking, because as RPGNet displays prominently, you must say everything you ever liked was terrible, that all the fun you had before someone complained was retroactively bad. Orcs were always a stand-in for black people, women who don't game have only ever not done so because of sexism, and everyone would have been playing trans, disabled characters in your high fantasy setting if only they felt safe doing so, like they should do now - the existence of magic notwithstanding. Published versions of games are being subtly edited, and if you don't have a hard copy you won't see how they've changed things; they'll say nothing's changed, though if it had it's a good thing.
Basically, as we've seen time and time again, troons can't handle not being specifically singled out and treated as special. So rule 1 of any gaming book - 'Use what you want and tweak things as needed, it's all about having fun' isn't enough, they have to be specifically mentioned as heckin' cute and valid choices in the game world or they're being left out, and subsequently will feel 'unsafe' bringing their fetishes into every gaming event they can, but now that's a bad thing. And a large majority of other gamers either agree, or feel like they can't disagree in public because being cut out of social groups means they can't play their hobby anymore.
Tl;dr: Evangelicals didn't know what they were really attacking. Troons, genderspecials and dangerhairs do, and know enough to sabotage from within than attack from outside. Chuck in a couple of Geek Social Fallacies and a group of people who generally possess at least some empathy being taken advantage of by people who use it against them, and the iconoclasm and destruction from within is far more dangerous than a few book burnings from without.
That was outside the gates, though. What we have now is worse because it's when you get inside, the bit where you're meant to be able to relax and have fun, and then someone decides to make a big deal about something and all of a sudden everyone has to have their pronouns on a badge or make sure the worst roleplayers in the room don't feel 'unsafe' in any way.
The Satanic Panic and associated overreaction to roleplaying in general and D&D in particular was real, but came from people who didn't understand what was actually going on. The current damage being done to gaming is by people who know what's involved, but want it to disavow everything before they started playing and change to suit their needs. The lefty version of being called a scion of Satan is being called a sexist, homophobic, transphobic fascist bigot, and it carries much more weight if someone within the group says it than if someone outside does.
That also involves a lot of gaslighting and cult-like thinking, because as RPGNet displays prominently, you must say everything you ever liked was terrible, that all the fun you had before someone complained was retroactively bad. Orcs were always a stand-in for black people, women who don't game have only ever not done so because of sexism, and everyone would have been playing trans, disabled characters in your high fantasy setting if only they felt safe doing so, like they should do now - the existence of magic notwithstanding. Published versions of games are being subtly edited, and if you don't have a hard copy you won't see how they've changed things; they'll say nothing's changed, though if it had it's a good thing.
Basically, as we've seen time and time again, troons can't handle not being specifically singled out and treated as special. So rule 1 of any gaming book - 'Use what you want and tweak things as needed, it's all about having fun' isn't enough, they have to be specifically mentioned as heckin' cute and valid choices in the game world or they're being left out, and subsequently will feel 'unsafe' bringing their fetishes into every gaming event they can, but now that's a bad thing. And a large majority of other gamers either agree, or feel like they can't disagree in public because being cut out of social groups means they can't play their hobby anymore.
Tl;dr: Evangelicals didn't know what they were really attacking. Troons, genderspecials and dangerhairs do, and know enough to sabotage from within than attack from outside. Chuck in a couple of Geek Social Fallacies and a group of people who generally possess at least some empathy being taken advantage of by people who use it against them, and the iconoclasm and destruction from within is far more dangerous than a few book burnings from without.
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I remember the televangalists rattling on about AD&D and having "saved role players" on their shows talking about casting spells.
Even some little churches got in on it when some fucking blue haired spinster caught wind of people having fun.
Supposedly you could cast spells and summon demons.
I got lucky. My dad basically said "If he can summon demons or do magic, maybe he can use them to do his chores or pay his allowance."
When Mazes & Monsters came on TV with Tom Hanks, that's when it got stupid. When the 700 Club and Oral Roberts and all those assholes got involved it got even dumber.
But to be honest, the woke are worse.
The Satanic Panic dipshits were an external problem. A drunken abusive uncle.
Wokesters are cancer that is spreading rapidly.
Even some little churches got in on it when some fucking blue haired spinster caught wind of people having fun.
Supposedly you could cast spells and summon demons.
I got lucky. My dad basically said "If he can summon demons or do magic, maybe he can use them to do his chores or pay his allowance."
When Mazes & Monsters came on TV with Tom Hanks, that's when it got stupid. When the 700 Club and Oral Roberts and all those assholes got involved it got even dumber.
But to be honest, the woke are worse.
The Satanic Panic dipshits were an external problem. A drunken abusive uncle.
Wokesters are cancer that is spreading rapidly.
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People made a big deal about fundies but they never had the kind of institutional power that these insane weirdos do. During the Satanic Panic nobody would really bother an adult who did tabletop gaming, it was only an issue for children with parents who didn't get it. Today you can lose your job for not being supportive enough of "trans kids," so you need to carefully watch your language and who you interact with in the community to keep these insane people out of your life.
Fundies hating D&D was a passing fad limited to a small subset of the American population, and it never left the country. Conformity with gender bullshit is, in some countries, enforced by penalty of law and it's worldwide.
Fundies hating D&D was a passing fad limited to a small subset of the American population, and it never left the country. Conformity with gender bullshit is, in some countries, enforced by penalty of law and it's worldwide.
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The "worst" thing to come out of the Satanic Panic was that AD&D got a bit bowldlerized. Oh no, heavens me, they changed the names of demons and devils. Official RAW battle wheelchairs and friendly Mindflayers is worse. The way the game social culture has changed so that not nodding and clapping for woke crap gets you the stink eye is worse.
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Again, you didn't get to meet the full both barrels effect when evangelicals get their hands on something they think is demonic. They didn't change names, they confiscated the material and threw it into a fire. Cringe lore changes is still not worse than that.
HOWEVER
What is worse than that, is wokescolds seeking to work to start pressuring websites to stop selling previous editions and older games. That's where my opinion is starting to take a sharp turn on which side I consider worse. I can live with retarded lore changes, they can be ignored and my table will play the game we want to play. I will not abide erasing options, however.
Did you live through it? Did you get to attend your family's church burning your "occult paraphenalia" on pallet fires? Someone wasn't alive when Pat Robertson, a televangelist, almost got the presidency. Hell, Trump had televangelists in his goddamned cabinet. The fundies are always in places of power, even if it's more fragmented (THANK THE GODS).
So is Witchcraft. Which is what we greybeards got accused of being into. Hell, we STILL get accused of it since the fundies never went away.
Yes, but on account of wanting to fucking erase history and options, not on account of making Illithids friendly.
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Okay, I was going to be sympathetic while telling you that, while your experience was obviously terrible if true, it was not the norm. I didn't know anyone who had shit burned or confiscated. I don't know anyone who knew anyone. From the sounds of it, most of the folks here are similar. The Satanic Panic was no fun, no bueno. But it was not a nationwide, orchestrated book burning with pyres 20 feet high.
Then you start talking about Pat Robertson almost becoming president when he actually had to bow out before the Republican primaries were even over in '88? To be clear I don't blame you entirely. But I do curse your parents for turning out yet another potentially insufferable atheist into the world with heavy handed religion.
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Calm down sparky, I got all the fedora shit out of my system in college. Yes, I'm an atheist, but one that realizes that while systems can be shit, human beings are individuals and take to them in different ways and acting like TJ Kirk and his ilk doesn't help a damn thing. That doesn't mean, however, that I'm under the cheery fantasy that the fundies went away. Hell, the fact that Jim Bakker, the poster child for fallen televangelist hypocrisy, still has a nationwide show and is richer than you and I will ever be is proof enough of that.
And I'm fuilly aware that the Satanic Panic wasn't a nationwide Kristallnacht thing. Thing is, I was part of a heavily religious community in an already heavily religious part of the nation, so it imprinted on me a lot harder than it would most.
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This is more me sharing my personal experience and I agree with you in the main but In his defense, I had a similar experience. I had stuff confiscated and disappeared because I had a mother who never met a moral panic that she didn't dive into headfirst. She remains an anti-vaxxer of the "it will give my kid autism and peanut allergies" variety to this day. She wasn't a fundie but she did believe everything that she saw on the news in the way that only pre-internet moms could. And so, I learned how to be subtle about it. I didn't pick up D&D books (Though I did play it outside of the house at a local game store on saturdays) until I was eighteen and even then, I snuck it into the house, shoved it into a shadowy corner and then made damn sure that I had it on my lap when I was reading it so that she couldn't see the cover because she really wasn't a fan of knocking before entering the room. In the meantime, I played Sci-Fi RPGs. I'm kind of unique in that I cut my teeth on Mechwarrior and Cyberpunk 2020 rather than Faerun. That was how pervasive that shit was back in the day.
And this still wasn't as bad as the userbase of rpg.net and their ilk right now. If you delve into the hardcore story gamer types, I've heard them ranting about how D&D is inherently white supremacist and colonialist. Who want the old icons trampled on and books edited if they won't bend the knee. When they announced that Curse of Strahd was going to be made less problematic last year? I ran out and bought a legacy copy, just to keep banned art out there and I am so fucking tired of this.
You're right about keeping this thread on topic, but I'll just offer that D&D is the battleground in the roleplaying sphere right now.
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The last paragraph in that shows that it's a suicide post since they're deliberately calling out that mods use prior bans, justified or not, as grounds to enhance their tyranny as well as the appeals process being a joke. Not that they need to but mentioning it is really hammering in calling out the assholes. Granted I also suspect that their removed points about a specific admin were probably rather on the nose.
The response will be double down and do a perma ban on them. Either rule 0 or poor fit will be used. Or they might just accuse them of being a racist white supremacist since they'll be banned from answering. Bright side it means some of these mods will be wasting their time trying to scrape together prior posts of theirs as proof to respond to it.