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[Furret]

Don't. Fucking. Use. Creative. Commons. For. Fiction.

Jesus. To not copyright SCP once it took off, to maybe hold back on rushing the CC license (Or use the strictest one, since only you would be able to make money off it), absolutely crazy. No wonder the Russians were able to take it over. Because they're legally allowed to as CC is international.

What a bunch of dumb bastards, hahahahahaha.

It wasn't their choice. Wikidot, the wiki farm that they've been hosted on since 2008, automatically releases everything on all of its wikis under CC BY-SA 3.0. They didn't understand the implications of that when they made the wiki because they were just a bunch of random dudes from /x/ and when your site has 20 members it doesn't matter, and by the time they realized it was too late. They're stuck with it now.

Edit: Actually, the likeness of 173 is an exception to this. The original image is of a statue made by Izumi Kato, and he didn't release it under any kind of CC license. They had to contact him to get his permission to use the image, but he only released it under a non-commercial license, so nobody can legally sell 173 merch. That's why every SCP game with 173 in it is free; the developers legally can't charge for it. However, basically everything else is fair game, so if you're willing to omit the most recognizable SCP you can sell the entire wiki if you want.

 

[ToS]

It wasn't their choice. Wikidot, the wiki farm that they've been hosted on since 2008, automatically releases everything on all of its wikis under CC BY-SA 3.0. They didn't understand the implications of that when they made the wiki because they were just a bunch of random dudes from /x/ and when your site has 20 members it doesn't matter, and by the time they realized it was too late. They're stuck with it now.

This is exactly right. The original users took & ran wild with someone else’s IP to start the whole thing off too. They got real permission from the original author 4 years and ~2000 articles later. If the author had chosen a different legal position, they would have lost everything right then and there. The guy, while yeah he was real impressed with the derivative work, still did them a moral courtesy because he had every right to pull the legal angle SCP is pulling here. He didn’t pull the legal trigger on authorial sovereignty when even more was at stake; he chose the authors.

So the site is based on a legally grey area that was eventually paved over by a moral favor. That sentiment has been upheld, until today. They can’t return even 2% of that moral favor, even when Harmony has more moral standing to take back her articles than the site’s founders had for taking 173. But this is lost, and what they’ve got out of it for themselves it is too important to remember that. The level of greed and the fronting of a moral obligation to those whose works are dependent upon the chain-reaction of original piracy is absurd. The about face is complete.


“Hey we stole your shit and copied it 2000 times, can we keep it?”
“Sure”
“Thanks”
———
“Hey can I have 130 articles back?”
“...no. And I’m calling the police. What are you gonna do about it?”

 

[BurnerPhone]

This is exactly right. The original users took & ran wild with someone else’s IP to start the whole thing off too. They got real permission from the original author 4 years and ~2000 articles later. If the author had chosen a different legal position, they would have lost everything right then and there. The guy, while yeah he was real impressed with the derivative work, still did them a moral courtesy because he had every right to pull the legal angle SCP is pulling here. He didn’t pull the legal trigger on authorial sovereignty when even more was at stake; he chose the authors.

So the site is based on a legally grey area that was eventually paved over by a moral favor. That sentiment has been upheld, until today. They can’t return even 2% of that moral favor, even when Harmony has more moral standing to take back her articles than the site’s founders had for taking 173. But this is lost, and what they’ve got out of it for themselves it is too important to remember that. The level of greed and the fronting of a moral obligation to those whose works are dependent upon the chain-reaction of original piracy is absurd. The about face is complete.


“Hey we stole your shit and copied it 2000 times, can we keep it?”
“Sure”
“Thanks”
———
“Hey can I have 130 articles back?”
“...no. And I’m calling the police. What are you gonna do about it?”

What else would you expect from a bunch of commies?

 

[Baubius]

They don't even need to deadname, they could just do X who was formerly Y, see link. And not even mention it and it would count as an attribution. I mean, its really fucking easy to give attribution. Fuck, they could put it in 8 point font on the lowest part of the article and it would still count. As long as it is there, that's all that matters.

Its just too obvious. Yeah, he could get away with it because those artworks were 'inspired' by SCP, so he could sell them off to others. And then they take all the good SCPs and make nice pretty books out of them.

Don't. Fucking. Use. Creative. Commons. For. Fiction.

Jesus. To not copyright SCP once it took off, to maybe hold back on rushing the CC license (Or use the strictest one, since only you would be able to make money off it), absolutely crazy. No wonder the Russians were able to take it over. Because they're legally allowed to as CC is international.

What a bunch of dumb bastards, hahahahahaha.

Fuck this drama, someone made over a million dollars on this shit and people are doing edit wars like its fucking wikipedia, fighting for their petty kingdom when its already been fucking sacked, raped and burned to the ground.

All you people are fighting for is who is going to be king of the ash pile. Shit is done.

Who gives a shit? What are you going to do with it? I never got this retardation. There was money to be made here for a long fucking time and no one took the initiative or forethought to do it. They only cared about their petty little power struggles and who does what and what's progressive and what isn't. What's canon what the edit rules are, what's this and what's that...

Who gives a fuck. Someone took all of your ideas and made $1.5 million. And there was absolutely nothing you could do about it because it was completely fucking legal. There is nothing more utterly humiliating than that. Though if anyone had a sense of shame, they'd have shut it down the moment someone made a million and a half off of their back. Jesus.

I can't even imagine more pointless bullshit over fiction content. The chance for money and influence is gone. That's over. The Russians who made the money have all of that now. They've established a brand and popularity. Now they get to dictate what is what with SCP, because they have the capital, clout and just plain look better. Whatever it is you're fighting over, its worthless. Pointless. Time to just admit its all a waste of time and move on, because the wiki is not going to be the arbiter of anything. Just petty power struggles over jack shit while the IP is developed by better writers and artists who've monetized it.

And when all is said and done, the people who monetized it and made that money off of it will be viewed as the authorities on SCP, not anyone on the wiki. Not anymore. The war is over, battle's lost. All that's left are pointless, idiotic struggles that are ultimately meaningless. I'd just say cut your losses and move on. Because SCP is over and the wiki will not be relevant again.

EDIT:
What you're seeing is only the start of their monetization. Its only been one year and already 1.5 million. They are going to mine the fuck out of it. Looking that art, there can be PnP systems developed, fiction novels...what the people on the wiki are fighting over, just cut your losses. Honestly, when all is said and done, if they manage to popularize the brand, the wiki will be a footnote and it certainly won't be CC anymore. It will have evolved far beyond that.

So my recommendation: Stop fighting with people who are irrelevant. The wiki no longer leads the idea. The project is dead, because someone took the idea and just made it, to be fair, look pretty fucking good. Its time to recognize that its a sunk cost fallacy and these people have functionally lost whatever power or influence over the idea they may have had.

Honestly the Russians adopting SCP into their own brand would be kinda cool. I imagine they'd come up with a lot of wacky shit, while at the same time totally jacking the wiki.

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

———
“Hey can I have 130 articles back?”
“...no. And I’m calling the police. What are you gonna do about it?”

Yeah, everyone clutching their pearls over how I chose to react when I was denied any humanity is conveniently forgetting that I was treated like shit from the second I returned after coming out, with people being nice to me when I’m in front of them but questioning me behind my back and smurf accounts sending WikiDot messages that they always hated the real me, then resorting to platitudes when I tell my truth, to act like I started the hatred is bitterly laughable. I asked for what was always my moral right when I realized that I never belonged there and they spit on me and took it away from everyone. Was I supposed to roll over?



oh and now Kaktus has completely flip-flopped and is taking what I wanted all along but acting like it’s his fresh new take and what he really wanted since the beginning. God forbid they acknowledge this is all I ever asked for:

 

[Baubius]

Yeah, everyone clutching their pearls over how I chose to react when I was denied any humanity is conveniently forgetting that I was treated like shit from the second I returned after coming out, with people being nice to me when I’m in front of them but questioning me behind my back and smurf accounts sending WikiDot messages that they always hated the real me, then resorting to platitudes when I tell my truth, to act like I started the hatred is bitterly laughable. I asked for what was always my moral right when I realized that I never belonged there and they spit on me and took it away from everyone. Was I supposed to roll over?

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oh and now Kaktus has completely flip-flopped and is taking what I wanted all along but acting like it’s his fresh new take and what he really wanted since the beginning. God forbid they acknowledge this is all I ever asked for:

"hopefully provide some ideas about where to go next."
> "We want to provide some ideas about where to go next. Because we can get there. Together."
>

Honestly hearing him read off his petty defenses like an Apple ad in mid-2020 is an infinitely more convincing argument for the Yurt cabal's existence than anything Rogette has provided. It really brushes me the wrong way, like he's trying his darndest to be psuedo-staff, and the only place he can test his modtalk skills without being punished for backseating is Twitter. Sad!

 

[alanshaffer3293]

For once, I agree completely with Magnus.

I wouldn't call being a woman/queer a political view, which is all this seems to be, though I think promoting minorities for the sake of promoting minorities rather than because they're valuable contributors is dumb.

There's probably some valuable stuff in there, but I don't really know where to start now that I'm out of specific names, and a lot of it seems too old to be worth talking about. A bunch of these PM logs are of people who disappeared off the face of the site years ago, so I'm not sure how much I could get from those except dead drama.

No it wouldn't. 300 pages is a lot, and some of those are quite good and have other articles written based on them, but there's something like 10000 articles now, so the community could absolutely recover and fill in the gaps.

Outside of a few posts from something like half a year ago, Nico has thus far avoided discussion on here by virtue of being surrounded by people who are much more overtly shitty, but I'm not surprised that he's been doing stuff like this in the background. He always seemed unstable from what I remember of him.

It could recover, but it would still be a big hit and send a bad message.

Yeah, everyone clutching their pearls over how I chose to react when I was denied any humanity is conveniently forgetting that I was treated like shit from the second I returned after coming out, with people being nice to me when I’m in front of them but questioning me behind my back and smurf accounts sending WikiDot messages that they always hated the real me, then resorting to platitudes when I tell my truth, to act like I started the hatred is bitterly laughable. I asked for what was always my moral right when I realized that I never belonged there and they spit on me and took it away from everyone. Was I supposed to roll over?

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oh and now Kaktus has completely flip-flopped and is taking what I wanted all along but acting like it’s his fresh new take and what he really wanted since the beginning. God forbid they acknowledge this is all I ever asked for:

'My vote'? Since when does Kaktus have the authority to vote on anything? I thought he was a writer not a staff member.

 

[BurnerPhone]

Was I supposed to roll over?

Yes, because 10 years from now you'll wonder why you cared so much in the first place. If you truly wanted to start a new identity you would have ghosted the entire site and moved on to better things, but we're here instead

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

Yes, because 10 years from now you'll wonder why you cared so much in the first place. If you truly wanted to start a new identity you would have ghosted the entire site and moved on to better things, but we're here instead

Thanks dad

 

[BurnerPhone]

Thanks dad

No problem son

 

[Secret Asshole]

This is exactly right. The original users took & ran wild with someone else’s IP to start the whole thing off too. They got real permission from the original author 4 years and ~2000 articles later. If the author had chosen a different legal position, they would have lost everything right then and there. The guy, while yeah he was real impressed with the derivative work, still did them a moral courtesy because he had every right to pull the legal angle SCP is pulling here. He didn’t pull the legal trigger on authorial sovereignty when even more was at stake; he chose the authors.

So the site is based on a legally grey area that was eventually paved over by a moral favor. That sentiment has been upheld, until today. They can’t return even 2% of that moral favor, even when Harmony has more moral standing to take back her articles than the site’s founders had for taking 173. But this is lost, and what they’ve got out of it for themselves it is too important to remember that. The level of greed and the fronting of a moral obligation to those whose works are dependent upon the chain-reaction of original piracy is absurd. The about face is complete.


“Hey we stole your shit and copied it 2000 times, can we keep it?”
“Sure”
“Thanks”
———
“Hey can I have 130 articles back?”
“...no. And I’m calling the police. What are you gonna do about it?”

What a stand up guy.

But the whole thing is absolutely fucking crazy. They have no standing whatsoever. The problem is what can you do about it? I mean, they've been pieces of shit for awhile and have no interest in returning any sentiment. SJWs are always moral hypocrites. I mean it is honestly to be expected at this point.

Honestly the Russians adopting SCP into their own brand would be kinda cool. I imagine they'd come up with a lot of wacky shit, while at the same time totally jacking the wiki.

That's probably what is going to happen, when they're in a vodka induced stupor.

Yes, because 10 years from now you'll wonder why you cared so much in the first place. If you truly wanted to start a new identity you would have ghosted the entire site and moved on to better things, but we're here instead

I would have completely burned my alias and said, "You're all a bunch of dumb niggers, the Russians already made 2 million off of you and this pointless wiki is going to be a footnote while they make the real money. Continue fighting over this irrelevant, retarded safe-space you ignorant shit eaters. You'll never amount to anything because your IP has already been stolen and in 5 years no one will remember you. Later you cultist faggots, enjoy your circle jerk while some Russians get rich off shit you make."

But again, the place is dying, so I don't see the point in fighting them. Shitting in their face, sure. Maybe just hire a bunch of Russian hackers to constantly edit all of your articles to have "FAGGOT" posted 5,000 times so it crashes every time the page is brought up. I don't see any reason to be nice or try to reason with anyone. Find all their flaws, weaknesses, point them out and mock them.

If they're never going to do it and no one is on your side, its not worth the aggravation. But I'm saying that knowing it isn't my work. The best you can do is convince people to leave, but I understand its a terrible circlejerk so I don't know.

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

What a stand up guy.

The best part of the Izumi Kato story is that the ss didn’t actually reach out to him, it was some normal user in #site19 who did it after they asked everyone not to contact him until they ‘figured out’ what to say to him or something along those lines.

 

[Furret]

Honestly hearing him read off his petty defenses like an Apple ad in mid-2020 is an infinitely more convincing argument for the Yurt cabal's existence than anything Rogette has provided. It really brushes me the wrong way, like he's trying his darndest to be psuedo-staff, and the only place he can test his modtalk skills without being punished for backseating is Twitter. Sad!

Eh, I don't really see it. He's literally just saying "this is what I think we should do after this is over".

 

[AnOminous]

Most infuriating thing about this fiasco is seeing people say “ah no it’s going to leave holes in the site :’( there will be things that aren’t explained :’(“

But we LIKE this content from this person we DON'T like any more. . . so it's okay if we just steal it because we're THIEVES!

 

[AStupidMonkey]

giggle giggle

 

[ToS]

Yeah, everyone clutching their pearls over how I chose to react when I was denied any humanity is conveniently forgetting that I was treated like shit from the second I returned after coming out, with people being nice to me when I’m in front of them but questioning me behind my back and smurf accounts sending WikiDot messages that they always hated the real me, then resorting to platitudes when I tell my truth, to act like I started the hatred is bitterly laughable. I asked for what was always my moral right when I realized that I never belonged there and they spit on me and took it away from everyone. Was I supposed to roll over?

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oh and now Kaktus has completely flip-flopped and is taking what I wanted all along but acting like it’s his fresh new take and what he really wanted since the beginning. God forbid they acknowledge this is all I ever asked for:

This gives a bit more evidence to a backstory here. Maybe it was transphobia all along! Personally, I thought you transitioned and just came out swingingz, maybe many more did too.

Kaktus is a miserable leader. It’s why he is not on staff anymore. He was ridiculed while he was, and after. He has probably never been on the correct side of a controversy. He has solved that this time by doublespeak. That he was talked into changing his mind by some lightbulb moment is a front imo. Changing an opinion by listening to criticism? Kaktus? Hell no. Maybe his superior-in-talent and light-side ethical counterpart Peppers did it tho.

He more likely found a reason that supported his interests. The bigger authors have more at stake in this decision if they ujnderstand what's going on. He probably finally realized that being on the “aye” side of this could come back to bite his upvote empire and threaten to dissociate the hoard of bananas that the literal ape gags and deepthroats himself to sleep with every night. Smart move in any case.

 

[Furret]

This gives a bit more evidence to a backstory here. Maybe it was transphobia all along! Personally, I thought you transitioned and just came out swingingz, maybe many more did too.

Kaktus is a miserable leader. It’s why he is not on staff anymore. He was ridiculed while he was, and after. He has probably never been on the correct side of a controversy. He has solved that this time by doublespeak. That he was talked into changing his mind by some lightbulb moment is a front imo. Changing an opinion by listening to criticism? Kaktus? Hell no. Maybe his superior-in-talent and light-side ethical counterpart Peppers did it tho.

He more likely found a reason that supported his interests. The bigger authors have more at stake in this decision if they ujnderstand what's going on. He probably finally realized that being on the “aye” side of this could come back to bite his upvote empire and threaten to dissociate the hoard of bananas that the literal ape gags and deepthroats himself to sleep with every night. Smart move in any case.

Like I said earlier, Kaktus has realized that there's upvotes to be gained here if the community votes to keep the articles and let other people rewrite them. That's the primary reason for his stance change. He no doubt has opinions about the right way to do things, but the numbers take priority for him.

 

[AmnasLord]

I very much into reading SCP articles but the CC license discussion interested me a good deal.

So under their CC license, and this is just theorizing, I can take a section of the articles change just about enough of them to distinguish between SCP and my own creation while still showing that the gensis came from SCP and that I can willingly monetize it with SCP unable to do anything? Is that a correct interpretation?

 

[Baubius]

http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/the-lizard-in-harmony

What the fuck

"Rogette is a wild beast needing to be tamed. Her actions are not informed; she is purely feral, and her intentions are not entirely there. She is sick in the head, and we must try to fix her."

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

"Rogette is a wild beast needing to be tamed. Her actions are not informed; she is purely feral, and her intentions are not entirely there. She is sick in the head, and we must try to fix her."

“Downvoted for making her too humanized”