Selecting a Despot for the Autism Thunderdome

[Breadbassket]

WTF? seriously?

Its /pol/ are you really surprised?

This is what it looks like right now. Anyone who looks at that part of 4chan long enough will get political schizophrenia.

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

reddit works that way because it is built around the upvote mechanics. more upvotes literally make a post more visible, while downvoted posts get auto-hidden so people don't even see them anymore. also, the way reddit threads with their branching comment tree structures work is fundamentally different from the chronologically ordered linear threads we have in a forum like this.

yeah thanks I am aware how reddit works lol. I am saying you would have to emulate a visibility reward system of some sort. the carrot not the stick is what makes reddit.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I just want users who understand the culture of KF and try and integrate. Kinda like those darn brown immigrants who won't conform to the host nations culture.

Each section of the site effectively has its own culture. Or are you going to tell me that you honestly think the people in BP have the same "culture" as those in IF? There's other examples if you want.

>Ban Null
Based.

Here's a different idea: ban people who complain about A&H to the staff excessively from that section of the site.

I didn't know you thought Null was a schizophrenic.

I had another idea as well: maybe put as part of the rules a disclaimer encouraging whiners to use the ignore function. Since self-moderation solves a lot more problems than heavy-handed top-down moderation in situations like this. There's nothing keeping people from moderating their own experience of A&H.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’ll be honest, if I were a mod, I’d probably make a bunch of “debate me, bro” threads for certain users for containment. This, however, would be purely for my own entertainment. I’m not into locking threads if there’s a juicy slap fight, I’d rather just make a containment thread in the general discussion board so all those fun stickers could be used. I’d only threadban people if they a. fedpost (and report it to Null or b, just spam things no one likes (like uncensored porn). I’d be a bit of a Nazi about people archiving their articles though (so journos have a harder time walking back their words). That said, being a janny means more work (without pay). The #1 reason to not be a janny

I remember they did that for someone going overly political in the TLOU2 thread, but the person ended up disappearing almost immediately after.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Reddit spacing.

not an argument, and i swear to god you retards bitch when i dont space then bitch when i do space

 

[Kenya Jones]

- automatically suspend anyone going on a sticker spree. you're supposed to rate the post after reading, not "downvote" all posts of a single user in 15 minutes (threshold would be hard to figure out, maybe just disable their ability to like shit for a start).

Don't suspend them, give them a tag with a black, upside down triangle.

 

[Breadbassket]

I remember they did that for someone going overly political in the TLOU2 thread, but the person ended up disappearing almost immediately after.

The issue I think with doing stuff like that is that the certain users causing all the arguing would need to be onboard with it otherwise they will just disappear like the TLOU2 person did.

 

[Absolutego]

Don't suspend them, give them a tag with a black, upside down triangle.

Just create a separate user group for users w/o reporting permissions and permanently prevent them from using it as a Super-Downdoot ever again.
I should be able to rate random posts Islamic to confuse newfriends again.

 

[Autopsy]

- automatically suspend anyone going on a sticker spree. you're supposed to rate the post after reading, not "downvote" all posts of a single user in 15 minutes (threshold would be hard to figure out, maybe just disable their ability to like shit for a start).

If there's any way to limit the frequency of stickers, A&H specifically could use a minute delay. While there's nothing wrong with people spastically negrating every post they see, and there shouldn't be any limit on how much you can respond, limits on frequency would be one way to force people to fucking read. If they have to sit there for 15 minutes to hand out the downboats like candy, they're either going to get bored and go to a different thread, or read every post on the page twice over in their boredom,
Either way it means slap-fighting in threads will be less satisfying, which is a win.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The issue I think with doing stuff like that is that the certain users causing all the arguing would need to be onboard with it otherwise they will just disappear like the TLOU2 person did.

If it’s one person causing the issue, I think it’s more of a fix to toss them into a separate thread, if for any other than to keep it on topic. If they’re being serious or just trolling, having the thread just becoming an endless argument doesn’t really do anyone any favors save the person causing it.

 

[Megaton Punch]

WARNING: AUTISM AHEAD

I've been here since 2014. Not consecutively, but probably about a quarter of this forum's lifespan including the CWCki forums years. But you wouldn't know it. This is on purpose. Even in 2014, the internet was extremely hostile to even milquetoast counter-establishment opinions, and if you use this site for anything but gossiping about internet retards, it could come back to bite you eventually. So I post for a while, take a break for a year or two, then come back under a different name and pepper in a few inconsistent details about my personal life. You could call it excessively paranoid, and you wouldn't be wrong, but it works for me.

Nobody here has any reason to believe me, and I will never offer any proof. But it's true.

That said, the reason I hang out almost exclusively on A&N these days despite rarely posting there prior to this incarnation is because the rest of the forum isn't as fun any more. Even the darker corners of the on-topic boards like Tard Baby General and its predecessors used to be more gallows humor than genuine anger. But now it's all just so angry. As if these people actually matter. As if a disgusting person killing themselves with mukbangs or a microtransaction-addicted retard are something to be actually, for-real upset about. People trooning out their kids, sure, hate them as much as they deserve. But the correct response to a terminally online social media drone is to ignore them, not to talk every day about how angry they make you.

It used to be that if people got mad at the continued existence of Chris or Wings or whoever they'd be told to lol calm down, but now that behavior is the rule rather than the exception. And I'd rather hear some politisperg call Biden "Brandon" a thousand times than listen to someone write a screed about how they fantasize about torturing the Wogglebug to death, because at least the politisperg is trying (and failing) to be funny. It's also understandable to be furiously upset about a news article about a pedophile. It is not understandable to be furiously upset about someone's cockroach fan fiction.

I guess what I'm saying is, you can't "fix" the thunderdome because it's the void that gazes back at the rest of the site, and the only moderation it really needs is making it illegal to ping users with the intention of starting a slapfight. Also, there are probably six or seven users that should be forcibly made to ignore six or seven other users, and vice versa, because it's always the same people telling each other to take their opinions OFF THE INTERNET NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW. Aside from that, everyone acting like there's some way to make the thunderdome more "fun" should clean up their own house first. You'd be amazed at how things improve when you lead by example.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Each section of the site effectively has its own culture. Or are you going to tell me that you honestly think the people in BP have the same "culture" as those in IF? There's other examples if you want.

There is a core culture. Again, like I used with the stinky immigrant analogy, England and France or Germany have different cultures, but there is a core culture (European, specifically Western) that unites them. This is the same with KF, all boards have their own culture, but A&H is so foreign that you cannot compare it.

not an argument, and i swear to god you retards bitch when i dont space then bitch when i do space

Also capitalize and use proper grammar/punctuation.

 

[make_it_so]

Hi, Thunderdome sperg who spends a lot of time in A&N here.

Perhaps I just have tunnel vision, but I honestly don't see what the "problem" with AT is. Reading thru here, people believe it boils down to:

1. Fedposting - Well, this should be pretty straightforward, shouldn't it? If someone Fedposts, they get banned, Simple as. In my own forays in A&N, I honestly haven't seen much in the way of straight up fedposting myself - unless of course the mods are deleting them before I see them. That, or people have opinions on what exactly constitute fedposting that goes beyond what the law says.

2. Schizo/Conspiracy posting - well...okay? I can see that as annoying, and have often found it to be annoying myself. But that's what the negrate stickers and replying calling the poster a schizo retard are for. Now I suppose calling posters schizos can lead to flame wars and people sperging and flinging shit at one another, derailing the thread. Which leads us to...

3. Thread derailment and posters sperging at one another - it happens, I've seen it, though admittedly it sometimes can be pretty entertaining to watch. But that can be handled by jannies simply moving the offending posts to the PastaDome thread. Now from what I'm gathering the jannies we do have are being overwhelmed by reports, so that leads us to the big problem of...

4. A deluge of reports to mods - it'd be one thing if the mods are getting a bunch of reports for legitimate, bannable shit, like Fedposting or posting CP/gore. But from what I'm reading here is that the mods are getting overwhelmed by reports for negrating or similar feelings of disrespect from other posters. Well to that, all I can say is that if you're reporting someone for giving you negative stickers, lol you're a faggot and deserve to be mocked. Someone earlier had mentioned having the mods publish these kinds of particularly whiny complaints as a way of making fun of the reporters and discouraging such behavior in the future, and I can get behind it (always great to have more content).

Frankly, those appear to be the four biggest issues, and they all seem to have pretty straightforward simple solutions. It just seems to me that a lot of the folks who complain about the "problem" of AT are simply people that don't like the idea of politics being discussed on a lolcow forum. But, again, I'm an AT poster so that might just be my bias.

 

[X Prime]

People overusing that report button in the AnNews Ukraine thread is quite probably why this thread was made.

 

[Matt Damon]

Reddit spacing.

Great, now I'm going to be self-conscious about how I separate paragraphs.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If you are going to have rules you need to enforce those rules evenly. That is why not having too many rules is a good idea. Personally, I regard Muh Vagina, HHH and the likes to be pretty cancerous. There are posters like Dammit Mandrake and El Pollo Nino (good name btw) who although certainly like rocking the boat actually sometimes make really good, but unpopular points. MV and HHH are just shitlib clowns who are just obnoxious.

But hey that's just my opinion, like you appreciating them is yours. So if I were given the power you would be proposing I would offer leniency to some rando before HHH.

So, fuck selective leniency.

Lol go back to /pol/

 

[Penis Drager]

Anyway: I formally nominate @wry wrangler onto the counsel.
He's Canadian.

 

[LurkTrawl]

There is a core culture. Again, like I used with the stinky immigrant analogy, England and France or Germany have different cultures, but there is a core culture (European, specifically Western) that unites them. This is the same with KF, all boards have their own culture, but A&H is so foreign that you cannot compare it.

A&H is not any more foreign to the average user than BP or IF. I don't expect people who post in the DSP section to relate to the folks in the AF and Gunt sections and those two are less alike than IF and A&H.

I've said it repeatedly that the only real solution to the "problem" people have with A&H is encouraging the use of the ignore function, and most users who are regulars don't care for the rest of the site the same way - again - most people in the various other areas of the site who are regulars stick to their own sections. If someone has such a problem with feeling like they're being ganged up on or whatever crybaby shit they whine about, the easy and honest answer is to ignore users they themselves find troublesome. All other options result in a suboptimal experience in my opinion as it involves silencing others rather than curating for one's own self what they do and do not see.

Speaking of people who are regulars here sticking to this section, people who sperg politically in other areas of the site who are regulars here (rightfully) get mocked and ran out until they learn not everything is political. I don't see why that's not enough of a deterrent to spillover.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Great, now I'm going to be self-conscious about how I separate paragraphs.

by the time it is said and done they'll make it so all posts have to follow strict guidelines like back when you had to cite sources in college, all so they can silence the users that upset them.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

My one rule, aside from issuing instant permabans to anyone fedposting, would be to keep petty mudslinging and other pedantic nonsense out of otherwise on-topic A&H threads. You shit up a thread, two strikes. First is warning, next is threadban. All appeals are thrown in the trash.
Same policy for political bullshit. You shit up the thread you go away. Not a care in the world about content (save for things that could nuke the Farms), just don't shit up the thread. Repeat threadshitters should have posting privileges revoked Thunderdome-wide for a period of no less than 30 days.

Places with limited (or no) moderation are rare on today's internet but that's not an excuse to be a screeching pants-shitting retard.

A small anecdote:
I'm currently deployed overseas thanks to Monke Tsar invading his neighbor and like to keep up on the war. The Happenings thread is a /pol/ dumpster fire of schizo nonsense while the A&N thread is(was) pretty good for updates. I hate the pages upon pages of users slapfighting the same autistic retard or taking the most obvious bait instead of just ignoring the tard and posting news with some mild discussion and speculation. Were that retard threadbanned I could get to the articles I want to read and enjoy some mild speculation without wading through 12 pages of double or triplepost slapfighting.