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Burt Ryan said:
I love League. LXG, whatever you may call it. I kinda wish for some studio to tackle it again, in TV show form.

As soon as I mention to someone on social media that I genuinely enjoy Alan Moore or Frank Miller's work, I either get blocked or called racist / fascist / anarchist / whatever the fuck.
Sorry can't fucking hear you over this awesomeness.
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sin city is geniuely sad i love it. you can appreciate frank miller for his work as either a celebration of machismo or as a macho tragedy. dont let anyone paint it one way or another to you, theyre idiots!
 
MirrorNoir said:
The funniest thing about V For Vendetta is the opening introduction where Alan Moore basically admits that the series was both reactionary towards the Thatcher regime which he despised but also Alan Moore admitting, point blank, that writing the book made him basically admit to himself that Labor circa 1983 under Michael Foot was so fucked up and so dangerous in terms of being worse than Thatcher, that the only way that Moore could create a plausible explanation for why Britain would elect openly fascist racists to power would be that Michael Foot and his platform would so utterly fuck up Britain that the people would rather have Nazis 2.0 running the country than allow Labor to keep power.
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I always winced at that bit in Miracleman where he threw in Maggie Thatcher.


Burt Ryan said:
I love League. LXG, whatever you may call it. I kinda wish for some studio to tackle it again, in TV show form.

As soon as I mention to someone on social media that I genuinely enjoy Alan Moore or Frank Miller's work, I either get blocked or called racist / fascist / anarchist / whatever the fuck.
Sorry can't fucking hear you over this awesomeness.
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I mean, LXG is the Avengers/Victorian fanfic, but the first two volumes don't suck.

Alan Moore's bad? I get Frank.

Frank is an irreligious left of center guy but he has some nationalist tendencies. His big nationalistic takes are about as spicy as Chris Claremont's liberalism in Uncanny X-men. But for today, the comic crowd can't handle wrong think.

BetterFuckChuck said:
sin city is geniuely sad i love it. you can appreciate frank miller for his work as either a celebration of machismo or as a macho tragedy. dont let anyone paint it one way or another to you, theyre idiots!
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Very much, Frank's stuff is very 1930s-40s inspired in the same way Alan Moore is a child of the 60s-70s. Frank had Will Eisner and Fleischer, Moore looked to Stan Lee and Roy Thomas.

Unlike Alan, Frank never had to kill his idols because his ego was too big.
 
I'm a very casual cape fan, but man is it just me or do you have to weed through tons of crap even in the relatively good stuff? For some background, I really like Power Girl. Her design is great, her strong personality and relationships with characters like Wildcat and Atlee are great, etc. So, I was reading old JSA stories and got to the first one where they retired because of HUAC. Even though I liked the art and action, I thought it was a pretty unrealistic story both in how the government acted and how the JSA just retired so easily. But they decided to make that concept a core part of JSA history. Admittedly, a big issue with this for me isn't so much the writing quality, but that the entire McCarthy-HUAC-Red Scare affair is one of the most misunderstood parts of American history and this story perpetuates the narrative that it was just a big witch hunt against innocents when the reality was far different. This has longed bugged me, and even in otherwise good JSA stuff I've seen it come up.
This is kind of just a big unfocused rant, but I had to get it off my chest.
 
pururun said:
I'm a very casual cape fan, but man is it just me or do you have to weed through tons of crap even in the relatively good stuff? For some background, I really like Power Girl. Her design is great, her strong personality and relationships with characters like Wildcat and Atlee are great, etc. So, I was reading old JSA stories and got to the first one where they retired because of HUAC. Even though I liked the art and action, I thought it was a pretty unrealistic story both in how the government acted and how the JSA just retired so easily. But they decided to make that concept a core part of JSA history. Admittedly, a big issue with this for me isn't so much the writing quality, but that the entire McCarthy-HUAC-Red Scare affair is one of the most misunderstood parts of American history and this story perpetuates the narrative that it was just a big witch hunt against innocents when the reality was far different. This has longed bugged me, and even in otherwise good JSA stuff I've seen it come up.
This is kind of just a big unfocused rant, but I had to get it off my chest.
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It's probably the worst part of the JSA's origin story.

For what it's worth, the Justice Society was originally DC's big team book to put characters that couldn't handle their own title alone. It ended in the early 50s as tastes changed from the pulps and WWII to more SCIFI and Capes. The JSA would be on hiatus until the mid 70s when Gerry Coneway and Wally Wood relaunched it. Conway's early issues introduce Powergirl as basically Earth Two Supergirl. Coneway quickly fell off the books and Paul Levitz took over the title.

As far as the Red Scare, the writers wanted to explain why the JSA went into retirement after WWII, or the period between publication. The reason this is plot point is so pernicious a part of the JSA that it has survived up to Flashpoint is the politics of the people involved in the JSA. Remember allot of these people are lefties and Edward Murrow worked tirelessly to defame McCarthy and his later true accusations of communist infiltration.
 
The JSA retirement shit has been retconned a lot: the original story detailing how they retired was due to the JSA discovering a crime syndicate's plot to usurp control over America that landed the JSA before HUAC due to the implications of a bunch of masked heroes exposing a crime syndicate that had enough money and lawyers to point out that the JSA couldn't be fully trusted given how they hide their secret identities, forcing the issue of HUAC demanding the JSA unmasked to basically negate the issue.

Years later, the Golden Age mini-series negated the whole issue by claiming that the JSA disbanded long before HUAC came into being as far as splitting up after World War 2, with Flash retiring kicking it off. In that story, Ultra-Humanite and Adolf fucking Hitler infiltrated HUAC to try and get Ultra-Humanite elected President and JSA coming out of retirement to stop the two. With Ms America outright sacrificing her life (as she was killed on the floor of Congress by the Golden Age Robotman, who had sided with Hitler and Ultra-Humanite) to expose how HUAC had been hijacked by Ultra-Humanite.

Flash forward to JLA Year One, which retconned shit even morseo; in an aside line of dialogue, Vandal Savage claimed he was the secret mastermind behind HUAC and that the original story (the JSA were asked to unmask by the government to help convict a major crime syndicate they busted that was saying the JSA's evidence against them was fake because they were hiding their identities) never happened. Instead, Vandal Savage bragged about "destroying the JSA" by weaponizing HUAC against the JSA and forcing them to retire.

Golden Age and JLA Year One are of very questionable continuity (both have major continuity errors in them that make it hard to fit them into proper canon but elements of each mini are accepted as partial canon). But each retelling offers a widely different version of JSA vs HUAC with at least two of them portraying HUAC in a sympathetic light.

Also, only Alan Scott is a leftie (and a bit of a fraud as pre-New 52 it was a major plot point that for all of his high brow Marxist ways, Alan didn't like gay people and actively AVOIDED contact with his son Todd because he was gay (along with the fact that Todd was molested by an abusive foster father who caused Todd to ultimately have a mental breakdown and eventually go insane/try and kill the entire planet). Golden Age Hawkman is a staunch right winger after inheriting the lore and characteristics of the Silver Age Hawkman, Atom was a dupe of Hitler and Ultra Humanite in the Golden Age, and the rest of the JSA generally speaking were center-right politically.
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
That 'FOREWARD BY PATTON OSWALT' in big font on the cover of the recently released Sandman Mystery Theatre Compendium triggers my autism. The Starman ones having 'FEATURING CHARACTERS THAT INSPIRED THE HIT SHOW STARGIRL!' is almost as bad.
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Oh my god what the fuck would that fat wart of a person have to say about Sandman Mystery Theatre that's worth putting on the fucking book? He's a shitty comedian, not anything of any kind that would have any insight on that kind of book.
Jesus.
 
Nick Obre said:
Oh my god what the fuck would that fat wart of a person have to say about Sandman Mystery Theatre that's worth putting on the fucking book? He's a shitty comedian, not anything of any kind that would have any insight on that kind of book.
Jesus.
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he'll be playing Wesley Dodds in the Netflix adapation

i'm joking but it's a real possibility these days
 
Random X-Men thoughts:

Sins of Sinister Dominion

Reset button gets pushed but not before Sinister and Moira have it out, with Moira effectively pulling off a gambit with Mother Righteous.

We find out why Hickman called his last arc "Inferno" (before he got ousted by writers who wanted to keep the Krakoa train going): Sinister put into every clone's DNA a self-destruct sequence causing them to burst into flames, which he does to destroy every mutant in existence to achieve Dominion status.... except he finds out that someone, one of the other three Sinister clones did so in a previous timeline and kicks Sinister back to his body, where he gets killed. Moira then activates the Save Scum machine with Mother Righteous's death being used as a black magic ritual to A. Brick Sinister's save scum machine, B. force Sinister's cloning machines to recreate Rasputin (the Magic/Colossus hybrid from Power of X) in the present with all of her memories intact of the Sins of Sinister timeline so that she single handedly defeats Sinister. But not before Moira sends back a message telling him he failed to achieve Dominion status and that someone else already did.

Sinister gets the pit as do Exodus, Hope, Emma, and Xavier after they are told they are tainted with Sinister DNA and will destroy humanity and cause unspeakable horror and death. Sinister warns everyone about the fact that one of his doubles is outside time and space fucking with everyone as Mother Righteous reveals herself as "bringing Rasputin to the present".

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However, the four council members don't stay buried for long as they are freed and thanks to Forge, purged of the Sinister DNA. However, Storm promptly declares they no longer have power on the Quiet Council as she shows them (but only them) video footage via Rasputin's mind of the aborted Sins of Sinister timeline to shame them for what they did. They'll be kept on as council members in name only and the whole thing is hushed up, even as Hope straight up tries to KILL Exodus for his betrayal of her in the SoS timeline.

Destiny is interrogated as well but basically denies that her SoS counterpart kept the SoS timeline going simply because it was the timeline where Mystique lived the longest period of time compared to the other timelines. Meanwhile Storm realizes that Xavier has learned NOTHING from the whole debacle and would rather make Storm hear about how sad he is that Magneto is dead and Emma basically calls out the elephant in the room from the SoS timeline: that Storm was so busy playing Queen of Mars, that it took her five fucking years in the SoS timeline to realize that everyone had been turned into mini-Sinisters. Which leads to Storm making an even more retarded decision, as she gives her proxy vote to Colossus (still under his brother's mind control) as Mother Righteous plots with Sebastian Shaw to push through several things for her on the now neutered council even as Mother Righteous informs Mystique that Destiny is hiding the fact that Mystique is going to die soon.

Finally, in the Fall of X/Legion of X finale, Mother Righteous fucks around with Legion and Nightcrawler, who announces that he's leaving Krakoa after dying and getting his old body back sans horns and stuff that he picked up in Legion of X. Meanwhile Legion beats Mother Righteous in a fight and then fucks off, leaving Mother Righteous pissed but smug that her scheming no longer has to deal with Legion and Nightcrawler interfering.

Finally in Iron Man (now tied to the X-Books), Chinese Not-Elon Musk has stolen Tony's company and now making Stark Sentinels.
 
There's also some strong evidence that Warlock is slowly taking over/altering Nimrod.
 
And Legion seems to have retconned himself from the universe, again.

Time to stay in limbo (not Maddy's Limbo) until Spurrier gets another book aside from the KurtSpider one he's gonna do soon.

Oh about that, Kurt is being framed for the murders of several prominent political figures, so that's why he leaves Krakoa. He's gonna be impersonating Spidey in Uncanny Spider-Man.

He should have done Daredevil instead. Matt is currently missing, Elektra is arrested, Kurt is a catholic and the devil theme fits him a lot more, etc. But ah well.
 
This is a bit late, but... has anyone ever taken a look at that Infidel comic book, by Pornsak Pichetshote and Aaron Campbell?

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Apparently, it's supposed to be about Muslims living in New York, dealing with the fallout of the 9/11 attacks, i.e., racism and such. Also, evil ghosts get involved somehow.

Has anyone here given it a look, and know more about it? Cause I don't have much of a clue, really.
 
I dislike Legion and basically anything involving him. He's one of Spurrier's babies now and he just ruins the tone of any series. I unironically don't find it creative when realities warpers are brought out, they're uncreative and boring.

The X-Men shit with now Multiverse bullshit just needs to stop. Every X-Men event fucking blows, it's just a self-suck event because no matter how bad are X-Men it's always portrayed as "HE WUZ A GUD BOI HE WAS GOIN TO XAVIA'S AND GETTIN AN EDUCATION".
The race allegory, the gay allegory, and the trans allegory don't work for them even when they're basically a ATF fever dream of David Koresh. As time goes on I really dislike what people have taken from Claremont. Just make Magneto a full hypocrite villain with uncompromising hubris and ego, make Emma swallow her pride if you want her to be a good guy, and do more than 2 schools.

The Storm Dickriding is getting to me, too. The knife fight wasn't that cool, her personality back in Claremont was basically just whatever fetish he had for the week. She was bipolar as shit and only was popular because Magical Negro/ White Woman with black skin and cat eyes.
 
I've been playing Midnight Suns and Magik has always been one of my fav X-Men. I should grab more of her comics.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
@MirrorNoir what are psylocke, kwannon, rogue, gambit, and sage up to?
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Sage was in X-Force as Beast's second-in-command and turned on him when she discovered that Beast went evil; when Xavier refused to punish Beast for killing innocent humans, trying to turn Logan into a brainwashed slave, and creating an army of Logan clones to kill for him when the real Logan escaped Beast's control, Storm stepped in to put Sage in charge of X-Force due to her calling out Xavier for letting Beast walk away and banning the team from going after him.

Betsy's sadly still stuck under Tini Howard's control as Captain Britain due to Howard and current X-Men editorial desperately wanting Betsy to be the MCU Captain Britain.

After the events of Hellions, Kwannon became involved with the Marauders relaunch as a member of Kitty's pirate squad. IIRC she's also supposed to be part of the upcoming Uncanny Avengers relaunch this fall.

Gambit and Rogue have a mini-series going on right now where Destiny has them running errands for her. They established that Destiny despises Gambit as much as Mystique does and has been nagging (unsuccessfully) for Rogue to move in with her and Mystique so they can guilt trip her to be their underling as part of their scheming.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
@MirrorNoir what are psylocke, kwannon, rogue, gambit, and sage up to?
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Sage is in X-Force, I think she's the leader now that Beast went full retard.

Psylocke is still Captain Britain, having irrelevant adventures in Otherworld.

Kwannon, after being really good in Hellions, was trapped in bad books, fucking around in the past in Marauders, and then fighting the Brood in Captain Marvel. She'll will soon join the new Unity Squad after whatever happens in the upcoming Hellfire Gala happens..

Rogue and Gambit were also in the Captain Marvel book fighting the Brood, and are having their own adventure in their book, trying to figure out who kidnapped a bunch of mutant former villains and also Manifold.

Edit: shit I didn't realize Noir had replied already.
 
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