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I can see how it would work, and keep the running gag of "one in twenty people in Star Trek is Jeffery Combs"
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Phalanges Mycologist
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Right sorry for the delay but -
Episode two was interesting, and it was a nice reintroduction to Uhura she felt believable as a young Caddet with atalent Gift for language, it managed to sell that she was young and inexperienced and not automatically a expert at everything she turned her hand to and it takes her time to work things out and she enjoyed music and hummed when she was nervous or occupied.
It was nice to see a Enterprise that while being a Top of the line ship for the Federation was outmatched by a alien species and that they had to use diplomacy to try and resolve the issue rather than going right to fighting.
I also liked the primative alien culture, they managed to sell that they where primitive and scared of a unusual light in the sky.
What I am not liking is Lt Sassy pants at the helm, she comes off as cocky and self aggrandising rather than as a skilled star ship pilot and the continued reliance on Time Travel / precognition as a way to fix plot holes.
He was at least at first and Mubenga came later, and there was a cross over period I think. Boyce was the Medical officer and Pike was close to him for a long time. That's whay I was talking about with it being a retcon Mubenga came after him not that he was a character to begin with or that he was present on the Enterprise he's just been put in too early, but I am willing to accept that.
Episode two was interesting, and it was a nice reintroduction to Uhura she felt believable as a young Caddet with a
It was nice to see a Enterprise that while being a Top of the line ship for the Federation was outmatched by a alien species and that they had to use diplomacy to try and resolve the issue rather than going right to fighting.
I also liked the primative alien culture, they managed to sell that they where primitive and scared of a unusual light in the sky.
What I am not liking is Lt Sassy pants at the helm, she comes off as cocky and self aggrandising rather than as a skilled star ship pilot and the continued reliance on Time Travel / precognition as a way to fix plot holes.
He was at least at first and Mubenga came later, and there was a cross over period I think. Boyce was the Medical officer and Pike was close to him for a long time. That's whay I was talking about with it being a retcon Mubenga came after him not that he was a character to begin with or that he was present on the Enterprise he's just been put in too early, but I am willing to accept that.
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now check the numbers reality tv, court drama, scripted reality and other crap pull. the majority of people never were into high-brow entertainment. nutrek just dumbed itself down enough (like a lot of IPs these days) to work for them.
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I watched the first episode of Strange New Worlds... it was ok. I'm not as praising of it as the general consensus(I also haven't watched any Discovery and quit Picard before the end of the first season, so I've not suffered through the lows of Trek). There were things I liked and disliked, but I'm generally negative on new attempts at old things I like. This show hasn't surpassed my pessimistic hurdle, but I'm not dissuaded yet either.
Things I liked:
-Episodic, I think Trek works best, most of the time, being an anthology rather than a narrative.
-Look, They did a really good job making the old sets and props look true to the old Series and futuristic to modern perception at the same time
Things I disliked/concern me:
-The Crew, I recently posted about the strength of a Star Trek series lives or dies on the crew. True diversity(not tokenism) of different origins, history, and ways of thinking. I believe the most time in developing a Star Trek series should be put into it's crew. So far I'm pretty whelmed. I liked M'Benga while finding Chapel to be annoying. Helmsman seems like she's there to be Butch and Lesbian and nothing else. Spock and Uhura were fine, Pike and Number One seem to have been characterized before, but I ain't watching a fucking second of Discovery to get it.
- The Noonien-Singh chick. She stands out the most of the cast as being unnecessary. Every character doesn't need to be a reference. Her character could of been exactly the same with a different name and I would of be considerably less bothered. I suspect that last name is going to be a landmine for the show to have a bad ass punch girl.(To be fair, I didn't care for the equivalent in the Orville even though I didn't dislike her either, but I hate her replacement)
-First episode breaking General Order 1/Prime Directive. I get this is somewhat of a call back to a Discovery episode, and it's really more of a push, because I do think they have the justification, but there is no conflict in deciding to do it, nor consequence in carrying it out, and opening the gates with the Captain violating the highest institutional value of the Federation doesn't sit well with me.
-Memberberries, the show is very nostalgia driven, it needs to forge its own path soon and not coast off it too long.
-Pike seeing his death through... Magic? I don't know if this is an old reference I don't recall, some dumb shit from Discovery I don't recall, or just made up here for some inexplicable reason. It's very establishing of time as an absolute, which is pretty antithetical to Trek.
It may seem like I really disliked this episode, but it gets a lot of leeway as a pilot. It's saddled with a lot of exposition that it also has to cram into a unrelated story. I'd say that I am currently cautiously pessimistic about the show.
Things I liked:
-Episodic, I think Trek works best, most of the time, being an anthology rather than a narrative.
-Look, They did a really good job making the old sets and props look true to the old Series and futuristic to modern perception at the same time
Things I disliked/concern me:
-The Crew, I recently posted about the strength of a Star Trek series lives or dies on the crew. True diversity(not tokenism) of different origins, history, and ways of thinking. I believe the most time in developing a Star Trek series should be put into it's crew. So far I'm pretty whelmed. I liked M'Benga while finding Chapel to be annoying. Helmsman seems like she's there to be Butch and Lesbian and nothing else. Spock and Uhura were fine, Pike and Number One seem to have been characterized before, but I ain't watching a fucking second of Discovery to get it.
- The Noonien-Singh chick. She stands out the most of the cast as being unnecessary. Every character doesn't need to be a reference. Her character could of been exactly the same with a different name and I would of be considerably less bothered. I suspect that last name is going to be a landmine for the show to have a bad ass punch girl.(To be fair, I didn't care for the equivalent in the Orville even though I didn't dislike her either, but I hate her replacement)
-First episode breaking General Order 1/Prime Directive. I get this is somewhat of a call back to a Discovery episode, and it's really more of a push, because I do think they have the justification, but there is no conflict in deciding to do it, nor consequence in carrying it out, and opening the gates with the Captain violating the highest institutional value of the Federation doesn't sit well with me.
-Memberberries, the show is very nostalgia driven, it needs to forge its own path soon and not coast off it too long.
-Pike seeing his death through... Magic? I don't know if this is an old reference I don't recall, some dumb shit from Discovery I don't recall, or just made up here for some inexplicable reason. It's very establishing of time as an absolute, which is pretty antithetical to Trek.
It may seem like I really disliked this episode, but it gets a lot of leeway as a pilot. It's saddled with a lot of exposition that it also has to cram into a unrelated story. I'd say that I am currently cautiously pessimistic about the show.
Phalanges Mycologist
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It's from Disco, Pike got a Time crystal from the Klingons some quasi relegious order that keeps them safe and he got a vision of the future where he's in the Bleepy Chair thing.
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Really? Cause in the pilot it very much feels like he gets the Into Darkness genetic soupification, with out the super mega retarded Lazarus cop out and not getting to check the handicapable box for the inclusivity crowd.
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Yea they needed a Time crystal to power Bwwwahams time suit he got it from them but had to pass a test or something and part of that was learning about how he will die.
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That's some marvel tier gay faggot shit.
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The whole premise of the Time Suit was shit, they used it to move some data from a ancient space ship into the future so a AI who wanted to be a AI that was running most of starfleet couldn't get it to make its self a AI.... they also had to charge the crystal with enegery and used drinking from a fire hose as a annalogy.
Rember this is the series that gave Spock space Dyslexia and a human adopted sister.
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I was genuinely shocked at how much the primitive alien culture was done via simple enviornmental storytelling in this episode. It didn't need grandiose talking or them all wailing and going "OH WOE THE ENVIRONMENT HOW WE SUFFER" there wasn't a single fucking line of dialogue from them and it was all done via expressions and eye movements. The Shepards being a CGI monster with very wobbly eyebrow acting faces was kind of neat too.
Ortega I'm a little neutral on for now, it seems they're going back down the route of character-episodes, so her fucking up and getting some people killed or something to humble her cockyness I think would be welcome perhaps in a later episode or season 2. That being said, she's yet to do any gross "THIS IS FUCKING SCIENCE PEOPLE WOOO!" gross one-liners yet. Plus her hazing Uhura with what is clearly a classic for nervous cadets and newbies schtick causing Pike to snicker was pretty good.
Sam Kirk being a fucking idiot despite being studying xenos in Starfleet which is easily the most dangerous job short of being a random red shirt security officer was interesting also.
I like Hemmer. Right amount of competent grouch.
I do like that they've pushed the episode length out to just shy of an hour, it does allow the episodes to breathe a bit and not feel as jarring with cramped 20-minute A/B plots.
Well we know The Cage is split between 2254 and 2266 when it was tranformed into The Menagerie, which is when Dr Boyce was officially on screen. We know at some point between then and 2266 when Pike is melted he is replaced with Dr M'Benga who serves aboard for a few years before being replaced in turn by Bones McCoy. Both Spock and Peck mention Crew Rotations in the pilot episode suggesting perhaps Boyce and a few others are swapped around. They've got a lot of new chiefs of staff, including engineering.
The way Pike and M'Benga warmly greet eachother suggests he hasn't been on the ship all that long, giving Boyce at least a 5 year run aboard the ship possibly even 2250-2259. Meaning he likely did the last deep space tour before requesting reassignment or a post at Starfleet Medical back on Earth. Like Number One, he probably didn't want to be sat around staring at Pancakes in a log cabin because his Captain was off growing a hobo beard while he still can.
There's a bit more of an open thing that could be done with this show for the time being, as much as Coombs has said that he did later cameo his voice into Lower Decks so I wouldn't slam the possibility off completely.
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Why couldn't he have died and Phil Hartman lived?
(No I will never forgive Andy for that.)
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Audiences are tired of seeing Captain Pike, Uncle Ben, and Bruce Wayne's parents dying.
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I think that's some of the best visual story telling in Trek let alone NuTrek i've ever seen, it really sold the primitive fear of a new light in the sky and what that means and the joy of rain a lot of cultures have had throughout history, especially in arid climates.
I liked the idea of the Shepards, I can see an alien culture developing a religion around Commets and alike and them viewing it as a sacred duty to protect them and once every now and then there relegious order selects people to man ships who guard them on there sacred journey throughout the stars. If anything it was one of the more beliveable aspects of a alien religion in Trek we've seen.
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Which is funny because Pike has never died on screen.
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Cumberbatch killed him because he was Jim's mentor.
I think it sort of codified his death in all media. In the old Superman movies, Jonathan dies of a heart attack, showing that even Superman can't save everyone. But in Man of Steel, Jonathan dies for...what, exactly?
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Oh right! Into darkness. I stand corrected.
But in my defense, I was trying really hard to forget that movie.
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I'm slightly concerned.
Someone let a competent writer and Director slip through the cracks of CURRENT YEAR HOLLYWOOD to make a good epiosode which didn't screech morality at me while flinging shit and demanding I take it.
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IT's not being subtle because there is a TOS episode of Kirk just reading people the Constitution of the USA. And there are mentions of specific events on Earth that Starfleet openly say "THEY WERE WRONG".
There are, imo, two different issues happening at the same time: first, that the people behind the show think that because some viewers don't have a liberal or progressive mindset, we approve all these "WRONG" things. So, they are using the show to educate us and turn the thing we love (the show) into a propaganda machine to teach us a lesson. Basically, the equivalent of someone taking my pet and torture it to make me less racist until I say "yes, removing the legs and eyes of my cat was a necessary action for me to no longer be a racist, thank you for removing my racism".
Not gonna happen ever, psychos.
Second, there is the part of these people not understanding Star Trek. There are episodes when characters or antagonists do bad things and you never see Picard screaming at them for thinking different. Picard specifically (not mentioning Sisko or Janeway because I haven't seen all of their respective episodes) rarely see their enemies are irredeemable enemies (besides the Borg) and rather see the common things between us to make a point. That's why he is respected by those enemies as well. If TNG Picard had to make an observation of today politics, he'd try to understand why certain people vote Trump rather than call them all racists and bigots. In fact, I doubt anyone from his crew would say that without first understanding the situation. And even if someone actually said so, the others would be respectful. Both sides would be. Nobody hates Worf for saying he didn't care that the planet of Data's friend should have been left to blow up.
That's the thing current ST can't understand: at the end, all episodes are about the confrontation of views and ideas and why humans (or not humans) do what they do, but without passing a judgement. And even if you do pass a judgement, you still recognise the humanity (or non-humanity) of those who do something wrong because you still hope they will do the right thing. NuST is 100% about judging people for the things they do wrong and how we, as society, should punish them.
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