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Flexo said:
That's the episode where these aliens have had like no experiences at all? Even literally emerging from pods fully grown.

Weird but fun episode IIRC. One of them literally picks a fight with Worf to experience anger and the other troons out to be a girl so it can flirt with Picard and "experience love."

What innocent times...
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Yes, and the alien who got super excited to see a child was meant to be experiencing "pleasure". Which yeaaah... I'm not touching that one. The way that alien touched that poor child... The episode wasn't that bad, that scene just made me do a double take. The "what the fuck is wrong with these white people"? look on the kids face was perfect.

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Then I discovered this in a store yesterday.
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That... Actually looks like it could be a lot of fun with the right group. Shame I don't have any friends who are also geeks. -_-
 
This global warming allegory episode did not age well.

Hey, remember that episode where warp travel was declared bad for the universe and nobody in the Federation was ever allowed to go over warp 5 again? Neither does any other episode that takes place after this one. >.> (Ok, iirc they mention it like one time that they're suspending the speed limit.)

Ok, so we set the universal Federation speed limit to warp 5, well what about the fucking Romulans who zip around using black holes to power their ships? Do you think they're going to agree to your speed limit? And what about the Ferengi? They'll just call you a stupid Hu-mon and circle around your ass going warp 9 just to spite you.

And then a few years later, you get Tom Paris going warp 10 on a whim, despite that not even being physically possible and turning into a fucking lizard for his troubles.
 
UnKillFill said:
This global warming allegory episode did not age well.

Hey, remember that episode where warp travel was declared bad for the universe and nobody in the Federation was ever allowed to go over warp 5 again? Neither does any other episode that takes place after this one. >.> (Ok, iirc they mention it like one time that they're suspending the speed limit.)

Ok, so we set the universal Federation speed limit to warp 5, well what about the fucking Romulans who zip around using black holes to power their ships? Do you think they're going to agree to your speed limit? And what about the Ferengi? They'll just call you a stupid Hu-mon and circle around your ass going warp 9 just to spite you.

And then a few years later, you get Tom Paris going warp 10 on a whim, despite that not even being physically possible and turning into a fucking lizard for his troubles.
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It's not like the Federation abided by it either. After all, they found that traveling as fast as Archer's ship is actually very limiting to conducting trade and ferrying diplomats. All the captains listed their banned warp travel speed as an "extreme emergency" on the flight log and the bureaucrats on the Starbases let it slide because stuff was getting done on time.

"Captain's Log, stardate 47225. Ambassador Ziptewit demanded that we would be late for the summit on Mercurius IX. Therefore, I have declared an extreme emergency and ordered the ship to travel at warp 9, thus breaking the prohibition on excessive warp travel."
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It's not like the Federation abided by it either. After all, they found that traveling as fast as Archer's ship is actually very limiting to conducting trade and ferrying diplomats. All the captains listed their banned warp travel speed as an "extreme emergency" on the flight log and the bureaucrats on the Starbases let it slide because stuff was getting done on time.

"Captain's Log, stardate 47225. Ambassador Ziptewit demanded that we would be late for the summit on Mercurius IX. Therefore, I have declared an extreme emergency and ordered the ship to travel at warp 9, thus breaking the prohibition on excessive warp travel."
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The more I think about it, the dumber it is. The episode even pulled the equivalent of "in 10 years all of the coastlines will all be underwater." And for what? So the loser aliens of the week feel better about themselves? (I'll be honest I kind of zoned out of this one.) Anyway, I am now watching "Lower Decks" (the episode not the show. hate that I have to make that distinction) The main characters in this episode all feel like create a characters for an unmade TNG game.
 
UnKillFill said:
This global warming allegory episode did not age well.

Hey, remember that episode where warp travel was declared bad for the universe and nobody in the Federation was ever allowed to go over warp 5 again? Neither does any other episode that takes place after this one. >.> (Ok, iirc they mention it like one time that they're suspending the speed limit.)

Ok, so we set the universal Federation speed limit to warp 5, well what about the fucking Romulans who zip around using black holes to power their ships? Do you think they're going to agree to your speed limit? And what about the Ferengi? They'll just call you a stupid Hu-mon and circle around your ass going warp 9 just to spite you.

And then a few years later, you get Tom Paris going warp 10 on a whim, despite that not even being physically possible and turning into a fucking lizard for his troubles.
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I have not watched the episode in a long time but wasn't this happening in a specific region of space?
 
Miller said:
I have not watched the episode in a long time but wasn't this happening in a specific region of space?
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Yes, but they explicitly state that what's happening in that region of space is a result of going warp and would happen everywhere unless "something" was done (no ideas as to what that "something" is by the way, just nobody in the Federation is allowed to go faster than warp 5 now.)
 
UnKillFill said:
Yes, but they explicitly state that what's happening in that region of space is a result of going warp and would happen everywhere unless "something" was done (no ideas as to what that "something" is by the way, just nobody in the Federation is allowed to go faster than warp 5 now.)
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Didn't they handwave away these concerns with some technobabble about changing how warp fields are made or something and that's why Voyager's nacelles go up when it goes to warp? Or is that some beta canon shit?
 
Miller said:
I have not watched the episode in a long time but wasn't this happening in a specific region of space?
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It was happening to that specific region because unlike most open space where ships will go everywhere without too much overlap because of anomalies a very specific course had to be taken which mean ships repetitively flew over the same track of space over and over, thus accelerating the effect of warp.

It's kinda like how all the grass dies when people keep cutting through a specific spot of lawn and it forms a trail of dead earth. (I always thought it was funny how even the grass dies where human tread.)
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Didn't they handwave away these concerns with some technobabble about changing how warp fields are made or something and that's why Voyager's nacelles go up when it goes to warp? Or is that some beta canon shit?
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Possibly. I'm gonna rewatch Voyager once I finish DS9, but that's still a ways off...

Or do you guys think it would be better to alternate between DS9 and Voyager?
 
Masaka is waking...
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My favorite part is Frakes face. He knows.
 
UnKillFill said:
Possibly. I'm gonna rewatch Voyager once I finish DS9, but that's still a ways off...

Or do you guys think it would be better to alternate between DS9 and Voyager?
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You’re just gonna confuse your brain’s pleasure receptors. VOY is the TV dinner of Star Trek, it is one evolutionary step above Lower Decks.
 
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Cnut said:
We had a channel that would show me ds9 and tng reruns (thank you local fox) but to watch Voyager or later Enterprise you were tuning into the local lameo station.
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Yeah for all the cope about how the world just wasn’t ready for ENT, it was pretty much VOY but with worse lighting. Berman and Braga were booking the show like Monday Night RAW where you can reuse the same tired storylines if you wait a few years.
 
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I actually watched Voyager back in the day pretty regularly, and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

I admittedly was a stupid kid at the time, but even now as an adult, my biggest complaints with Voyager are the inconsistent writing of Janeway, and that the constant reset button meant that no episode actually ever meant anything... which is antithetical to the entire stated premise of the show. A huge problem for the show as a whole, but that doesn't mean that episodes individually weren't fun to watch....
 
UnKillFill said:
I actually watched Voyager back in the day pretty regularly, and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

I admittedly was a stupid kid at the time, but even now as an adult, my biggest complaints with Voyager are the inconsistent writing of Janeway, and that the constant reset button meant that no episode actually ever meant anything... which is antithetical to the entire stated premise of the show. A huge problem for the show as a whole, but that doesn't mean that episodes individually weren't fun to watch....
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I saw seasons one and two on the first run. Years later, I went back in with full awareness that there’d be no continuity, just a weekly reset button. Fine. I can live with that. But even with expectations at absolute zero, you start to notice patterns emerge, like acne.

For instance, every time Picardo shows up it’s this operatic, overwrought thing, like he’s doing Hamlet on Ice.

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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Didn't they handwave away these concerns with some technobabble about changing how warp fields are made or something and that's why Voyager's nacelles go up when it goes to warp? Or is that some beta canon shit?
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That was some behind the scenes thing, but it never made any sense because Voyager never changed its nacelle configuration when it was actually in warp flight. Except maybe one shot where it was at warp with its nacelles down, which was a VFX mistake (or I hallucinated it 25-30 years ago).

I also watched Voyager on its first run, and my God was it a slog. I don't know why I subjected myself to that. I think there are still a few episodes I haven't seen. If nothing else, it gave reviewers something to chew on, like Cynics Corner and Tim Lynch's famous exit. And this was all Usenet, so you can't accuse them of faking it for views.


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