Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[California Newt]

and that the constant reset button meant that no episode actually ever meant anything

Voyager does have continuity, especially after Seven of Nine joins (and then Icheb, if I'm spelling that right). Basically everything after they reach the Hirogen sensor array is the best Star Trek. It surpasses DS9.

Also side note but I love every time the Hirogen show up after their first real episode (the first abduction). I wish we got to actually see the joint Klingon-Hirogen Borg-hunting parties that happened offscreen in the Borg collective-dream episode.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

In true imperialist wanker form, he insists the Cardassians did Bajor a favor by civilizing them, but the truth of the war orphans wipes that smug grin off his face.

DEELA: I wouldn't know. I wasn't a volunteer then. I was in the underground.
GARAK: Really? Perhaps we have met.
The way that was delivered is both hilarious and utterly terrifying...

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

I think one of my favorite Garak moment is in By the Pale Moonlight when Sisko is about to meet with the Romulan senator and it's apparent he's keeping everybody in the dark and he tells Worf nobody is allowed past this point beside him and Garak. Garak just says "Always a pleasure to see you mister Worf." and walks on and Worf just looks so fucking pissed, it makes me smile every time.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I mean, the first season of every Trek is rough.

Except one

 

[Captain Syrup]

DEELA: I wouldn't know. I wasn't a volunteer then. I was in the underground.
GARAK: Really? Perhaps we have met.
The way that was delivered is both hilarious and utterly terrifying...

Garak's like one of those effeminate sitcom butlers who just appears out of thin air to roast guests.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I suppose it's kinda like those people who defend the Star Wars prequels, because so much shit that considerably worse that came out after.

To me the amount of fantastic shit that came out with and because of the prequels makes up for any complaint or shortcoming of the films themselves.

1999-2012 was when 99% the best Star Wars material came out, be it games, books, or toys.

 

[UnKillFill]

I'm watching DS9 now. I just finished Season 1, but I don't have much to say about it.

Rom is a little piece of shit though. I remember he goes full commie eventually, but like all commies he is only "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," because his ability is lacking. He sucks at being a Ferengi, and he proves multiple time that given even half a chance, he would be just as scummy as Quark is. (Including in Lower Decks if you consider that canon.)

He does not deserve to be made Nagus, and I feel like the Ferengi would have revolted against him. Also it's literally a plot point in an episode that Odo realizes Quark is lying because he says Rom fixed the replicators, because "Rom is an idiot" (which he is) but I know he becomes an idiot savant later.

It surpasses DS9.

I'll give my honest opinion when i get there, but I don't remember that ever happening.

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

He does not deserve to be made Nagus, and I feel like the Ferengi would have revolted against him. Also it's literally a plot point in an episode that Odo realizes Quark is lying because he says Rom fixed the replicators, because "Rom is an idiot" (which he is) but I know he becomes an idiot savant later.

Yeah that line always bugged me. I realize it's simply due to the writers taking a different direction with the character down the line. I mean shit, in the pilot he didn't even get a name and was credited as "Pit boss"

 

[Captain Syrup]

He does not deserve to be made Nagus,

It's less some grand narrative payoff and more like, “yeah, we can’t get rid of Wallace Shawn, he’s too nice to fire.” So now the fate of an entire planet’s economy just orbits around Quark’s bar for seven years.

But being fun to hang out with between takes doesn’t always mean you’re electric on screen. The Nagus might be my least favorite role of his.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The Nagus might be my least favorite role of his.

Inconceivable!

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I think one of my favorite Garak moment is in By the Pale Moonlight when Sisko is about to meet with the Romulan senator and it's apparent he's keeping everybody in the dark and he tells Worf nobody is allowed past this point beside him and Garak. Garak just says "Always a pleasure to see you mister Worf." and walks on and Worf just looks so fucking pissed, it makes me smile every time.

Some Klingons don't get how much Romulans appreciate the work of a simple tailor.

Garak's like one of those effeminate sitcom butlers who just appears out of thin air to roast guests.

So like Geoffrey from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air or like Sebastian from Black Butler?

But being fun to hang out with between takes doesn’t always mean you’re electric on screen. The Nagus might be my least favorite role of his.

Reminds me of how Legends of Tomorrow got Thomas F. Wilson to play the main villain for one season, but backed out halfway through because he was such a nice guy off-camera, and ended up accidentally making his character a lot worse than their original plan.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Geoffrey from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Benson from Soap (also from Benson)

 

[Captain Syrup]

Benson from Soap (also from Benson)

Despite my love for Star Trek I refuse to watch a single second of Benson.



Did you ever see Poker Face? There’s an episode where Chloe Sevigny’s washed-up punk band plagiarizes the theme from Benson and it's so obscure that she doesn’t even realize it until the lawsuits come flying in.

 

[California Newt]

I'll give my honest opinion when i get there, but I don't remember that ever happening.

> the one where Seven becomes a conspiracy theorist and thinks the Caretaker incident was an inside job
> the one where Janeway gets an AI boyfriend
> the one in the void
> the one where alien spies hack into the EMH's daydreams and think they're real
> the one where they go to Icheb's planet, which is next to a Borg transwarp conduit
> the one with the planet where time goes fast
> the one where that one Hirogen figures out their race's "predator" premise has stagnated their culture and tries to assuage their hunter instincts with holodeck LARPing, but a Nazi hologram convinces his second in command to mutiny
> the one where they find Tuvok's anti-Maquis contingency simulation and start re-writing it for fun
> the one with the EMH's novel
> the one where Neelix finds the other Talaxians
> the one where every part of the ship is at a different season of the show
> the one with the Klingon Mayflower
> the Barklay episode where he simulates himself on Voyager

Yeah I'm sorry, but Voyager is premium gold-plated gigakino. It's just a constant gradual progression upwards, with some curveballs thrown in.

Edit: how could I forget:

 

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> the one where Seven becomes a conspiracy theorist and thinks the Caretaker incident was an inside job
> the one where Janeway gets an AI boyfriend
> the one in the void
> the one where alien spies hack into the EMH's daydreams and think they're real
> the one where they go to Icheb's planet, which is next to a Borg transwarp conduit
> the one with the planet where time goes fast
> the one where that one Hirogen figures out their race's "predator" premise has stagnated their culture and tries to assuage their hunter instincts with holodeck LARPing, but a Nazi hologram convinces his second in command to mutiny
> the one where they find Tuvok's anti-Maquis contingency simulation and start re-writing it for fun
> the one with the EMH's novel
> the one where Neelix finds the other Talaxians
> the one where every part of the ship is at a different season of the show
> the one with the Klingon Mayflower
> the Barklay episode where he simulates himself on Voyager

Yeah I'm sorry, but Voyager is premium gold-plated gigakino. It's just a constant gradual progression upwards, with some curveballs thrown in.

Edit: how could I forget:

I would add the one where they find a handful of people in cryopods linked together in cyberspace, and Harry goes in and gets tortured by the clowns from Cirque du Soleil.
And the one where Voyager gets duplicated and Harry Kim is killed by getting flung out into space.

 

[UnKillFill]

> the one where Seven becomes a conspiracy theorist and thinks the Caretaker incident was an inside job
> the one where Janeway gets an AI boyfriend
> the one in the void
> the one where alien spies hack into the EMH's daydreams and think they're real
> the one where they go to Icheb's planet, which is next to a Borg transwarp conduit
> the one with the planet where time goes fast
> the one where that one Hirogen figures out their race's "predator" premise has stagnated their culture and tries to assuage their hunter instincts with holodeck LARPing, but a Nazi hologram convinces his second in command to mutiny
> the one where they find Tuvok's anti-Maquis contingency simulation and start re-writing it for fun
> the one with the EMH's novel
> the one where Neelix finds the other Talaxians
> the one where every part of the ship is at a different season of the show
> the one with the Klingon Mayflower
> the Barklay episode where he simulates himself on Voyager

Yeah I'm sorry, but Voyager is premium gold-plated gigakino. It's just a constant gradual progression upwards, with some curveballs thrown in.

Edit: how could I forget:

I appreciate your passion. I remember most of those episodes, I just don't remember any of them surpassing DS9 at its peak. As I've said, I actually like Voyager and will give it a fair shake when I get there.

I would add the one where they find a handful of people in cryopods linked together in cyberspace, and Harry goes in and gets tortured by the clowns from Cirque du Soleil.
And the one where Voyager gets duplicated and Harry Kim is killed by getting flung out into space.

Yeah, I remember that one. It had Chuck from Better Call Saul in it.

 

[Miller]

I am rewatching Voyager and I can't stand the Kazon. They look like their hair is made of weed and I can't take them seriously.

He does not deserve to be made Nagus, and I feel like the Ferengi would have revolted against him.

Wasn't it implied that Moogie continued to pull the strings after Rom became the Nagus?

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Wasn't it implied that Moogie continued to pull the strings after Rom became the Nagus?

Not sure, but Lower Decks showed Rom playing dumb while he and Leeta went through negotiations with Freeman.

 

[UnKillFill]

I am rewatching Voyager and I can't stand the Kazon. They look like their hair is made of weed and I can't take them seriously.


Wasn't it implied that Moogie continued to pull the strings after Rom became the Nagus?

Don't know, but if she is, that's incredibly short-sighted on her part. I don't know what the average Ferengi life span is, but realistically she can't have that many more years left in her. Once she dies, she's basically left a retard and his bimbo wife running things just so she could hold power for a few years longer.

 

[William Murderface]

One episode of VOY that I like is where Torres revives a robot not realizing that the robot was designed to fight a war against another planet and when that planet's robots shows up she learns the races wanted peace with each other but the war robots simply killed off both races so they could continue fighting their war and the robot she revived wants her to build new robots so his side can win. The episode was called Prototype.