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Shit, am I late to the music video circlejerk?
Edit: Jesus christ this video is 13 years old.
Edit: Jesus christ this video is 13 years old.
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unpopular opinion here, STD despite being bad is actually more watchable than star trek voyager
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Slightly less unpopular opinion: STD is more watchable than Enterprise. God that show is terrible the captain is just SO BAD, I don't just mean the character either the actor sucks nuts too (as does 90% of the cast) Captain Archer looks sounds and acts like he belongs on Full House.
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Hard disagree
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I'd rather watch either of those. Voyager had Year of Hell and Enterprise had In a Mirror Darkly.
GeorgeDaMoose
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Both late season episodes as far as I understand. I watched Voyager up until mid Season 3 and Enterprise mid Season 2. That's about 50 episodes of Voyager being embarrassing and almost the same for Enterprise being nothing special. Discovery has like 30 episodes between 2 seasons and despite being bad, that's still shorter than Voyager and Enterprise so far. God forbid they decide to start doing 26 episode seasons. Discovery also had Captain Lorca who was good for like 7 episodes until they revealed he was a bad man who did bad things because hes from the mirror universe. Even then Discovery is so comically bad and inferior to DS9 which its clearly trying to take inspiration from in S1 that its not nearly as offensive as Voyager writing wise where it feels like they basically wanted to make another TNG, but threw them in the middle of an unexplored quadrant so they also have to escape from this new mysterious place, but they keep getting into WACKY shenanigans while also forgetting to make the main cast likable.
Enterprise I made the mistake of watching after I attempted Voyager so while I heard the show gets redeemable during the 3rd season onto the fourth, by that point I had literally dealt with about 100 episodes of trash trek.
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Voyager was the first bit of Star Trek media I ever saw, mainly because it used to be on UPN in the evenings. I never religiously watched it or anything, just caught it from time to time, but I did love the whole thing they did with The Doctor going from a regular hologram backup doctor to developing his own identity and humanity.
Unless STD has a couple interesting characters, I’m still gonna go Voyager over it based on how it handled certain characters.
Unless STD has a couple interesting characters, I’m still gonna go Voyager over it based on how it handled certain characters.
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now compare it to when TNG gets good and you might notice something...
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So what you're saying is that we have another season of awfulness before STD becomes watchable?
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A man with abs as good as Sir Patrick Stewart will never die.
Even as a child I interpreted as "this lady is way too crazy to be a starship captain, also Kirk's only lady is the Enterprise"
I'm probably the only person who thinks ENT season 1 and 2 was the most "star treky". I think season 3 was when it shit the bed and season 4 was when it rolled around in the shit and grinned like a tranny on twitter shitting in zir nonbinary diaper. Evidence: time travelling alien space nazis
Star Trek Enterprise Flying Over New York City in 1080p
The Enterprise Battles Nazi German Stuka dive bombers over New York! From the Star Trek Enterprise Season 4 episode Storm Front Part 2 Buy Star Trek on Blu R...
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More evidence: at least 6 episodes that ended up with the explanation as to why Klingons don't have forehead ridges when they could have just not had them in the series to begin with
Supposedly Berman and Braga originally wanted season 1 to be about the formation of the crew, season 2-5 to be about exploration, and the last couple seasons to be about the Earth-Romulan War. The executives at UPN wanted there to be a boy band in every episode. Whether any of this is true is up to you.
I disliked In A Mirror Darkly despite Mirror Cochrane not doing anything wrong. Never trust a xeno, especailly when they're literally invading.
Intro to In A Mirror Darkly
This is the start in the Star Trek Alternate Universe episode "In a Mirror Darkly"
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Star Trek: Discovery Clip - Make the Empire Glorious Again (2018) | Rotten Tomatoes
In a mirror universe, Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs) attempts a coup against Emperor Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh), while Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-G...
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Not 10 years after this Spock becomes Terran Emperor and the Empire shits itself and dies because of his horrible mismanaged rule. Can a Vulcanian do anything right? (Yes, I know the EU novels take that in a different direction. I don't care they're awful anyway.)
Here's some MVs I like
Futuristic Sex Robotz - Positronic Pimp
The video for Positronic Pimp by nerdcore rap group Futuristic Sex Robotz
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Star Trek Rap (feat. Prime Directive and Galaxy Class)
Resistance is futile. All beats will be assimilated. [Warning: lyrics NSFW] .mp3: http://thosearentmuskets.blogspot.com/2008/06/space-tunes-ready-for-some-se...
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I think so too; the first two seasons at their lowest weren't anywhere near as bad as the entirety of Season 3 which was just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Season 4 was an attempt at recovery with plots that took more than one episode to resolve but it was far too little too late.
Voyager just felt like "Here's the monster of the week aaaannnddd it's gone, see you next week." The Doctor was by far the best part of Voyager.
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I never really watched Enterprise. I just amused myself reading people's angry reviews of it online at the time.
I seem to recall that soon after 9/11 happened, a really tonedeaf episode aired that seemed laughably and offensively naive and some people were upset. Perhaps it was more than one episode, but it was obviously made before 9/11 and was typical 90s Trek pacifist platitudes about talking out problems and forgiving your enemies... the kind of stories that had been done to death at that point.
So then the show overcorrected and created the Xindi and did all that war garbage as a parallel to the War on Terror.
I seem to recall that soon after 9/11 happened, a really tonedeaf episode aired that seemed laughably and offensively naive and some people were upset. Perhaps it was more than one episode, but it was obviously made before 9/11 and was typical 90s Trek pacifist platitudes about talking out problems and forgiving your enemies... the kind of stories that had been done to death at that point.
So then the show overcorrected and created the Xindi and did all that war garbage as a parallel to the War on Terror.
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Is Captain Proton on STD? If not, it is objectively inferior to Voyager.
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You know, at first, I thought Gene was abit silly with his rules, like "humans are too enlightened to fight each other or be truly evil". And at first, DS9 did great by bending the rules a little and giving us gems like section 31. So relaxing those rules a little wasn't so bad.
... But now after seeing "The trouble with Edward" compared to TNG, I can see why he was so protective, because trek stopped being being aspirational and how humans could become the best versions of ourselves.
As a new fan, and a big reason I didn't become a fan earlier, was that at times Trek seemed a bit too squarish with how formal everyone was with each other. But now I get that Star Trek humans were mostly how we aspire to be. And the instant STD turned them into snarky assholes, it lost everything that made Star Trek special and it became another run of the mill sci-fi of how everything is just as bad as always but with lasers.
I am not saying the drama is bad, but part of the escapism of Trek was seeing how everyone acted like mature adults that genuinely represented the best of humanity, instead of mean high schoolers. In fact, You could say this was basically mean girls with the popular cheerleader (aka "the captain") putting the nerd (aka Edward) in his place.
... But now after seeing "The trouble with Edward" compared to TNG, I can see why he was so protective, because trek stopped being being aspirational and how humans could become the best versions of ourselves.
As a new fan, and a big reason I didn't become a fan earlier, was that at times Trek seemed a bit too squarish with how formal everyone was with each other. But now I get that Star Trek humans were mostly how we aspire to be. And the instant STD turned them into snarky assholes, it lost everything that made Star Trek special and it became another run of the mill sci-fi of how everything is just as bad as always but with lasers.
I am not saying the drama is bad, but part of the escapism of Trek was seeing how everyone acted like mature adults that genuinely represented the best of humanity, instead of mean high schoolers. In fact, You could say this was basically mean girls with the popular cheerleader (aka "the captain") putting the nerd (aka Edward) in his place.
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Star Trek shouldn't aspire to be a Joss Whedon snarkfest.
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and no, it doesn't apply to STD since it was never star trek in the first place. putting a sticker on a turd doesn't magically make the turd star trek, as much as hollywood thinks that's how branding works.
what a lot of people miss for some reason is that star fleet still has a military hierarchy, even with all the talk about peace and enlightenment. that doesn't mean they go in guns blazing (humans are too "enlightened" for that, but even picard pulled out the knives if he had to), but what your superior says goes.
sure, it was never heavily portrayed as such and quite lax at times - maybe some people would need a drill instructor screaming into the camera every episode to drive the point home - but STD goes overboard with that shit. a STD crew would get killed by an asteroid or suffocate in a day because helm "disagrees on the course" and has a 5 minute discussion about it's feelings, then still flies into one because he thinks he knows better, or the engineer "didn't feel like doing maintenance", especially after his commanding officer misgendered him.
ironically it was voyager which had episodes with rank & file and getting them into shape.
heck I personally know people who, even from a rational standpoint, wonder why you have a strict command structure even in today's military. and they aren't stupid. it's baffling. that's why I'm not surprised the average limp-wristed westcoast writer thinks the enterprise is a cruise ship (inb4 galaxy class jokes).
and star trek is an acquired taste, it never was for everyone, which was fine, different strokes and all. that's why dumbing it down with STD to appeal to "mothers" and "nfl players" is so much more insulting (and when the orville shows you don't even have to).
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If you don't want to watch heavy handed takes on contemporary political issues, then don't bother watching Star Trek.
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Never said either of those series were good, just the episodes I mentioned in particular. Case in point;
You cannot possibly tell me the USS Defiant (Connie version) didn't look good in HD. That was pretty much the main apppeal of the episode. That and Dennis McCarthy's score.
Despite being a Star Trek fan since literally before I could speak, that actually never occured to me. But its completely true. In plenty of episodes shit's fucked, but you know that when the Enterprise swings into orbit or flies into view; that's when things are going to improve. TOS was especially good at that.
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