Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Sounds like they'll be plenty of #metoo material once Seth's shine wears off.

As far as the progressive left goes, his shine wore off a long time ago. There's a reason his shows have a fairly large conservative fanbase despite him being, well... himself. Because he's one of the few people left willing to put out content that offends the progressives. I mean, even more than life offends the progressive.s

 

[Negilum]

I just had a weird random thought.
I know The Orville doesn't have transporters, but if they had an equivalent episode to Voyager's "Tuvix"... Which two characters do you guys think would be the most interesting to merge?

My initial thoughts are Gordon and Bortus. Maybe LaMarr and still Bortus.

The Tuvix episode alone was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. A half Vulcan/Neelix abomination begging for his life, being marched down deathrow by Adolf Janeway like he's a war criminal.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I had an online friend who stopped watching VOY after Tuvix because he was THAT offended at the episode.

He got off easy. I watched all of it when it aired.

I got off easy compared to whoever watched ENT when it aired. I was all psyched up to watch it, and then that shitty theme song played. I turned off the TV and didn't watch it until much later.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Bortus and the norm McDonald slime guy.

The mind boggles.

I had an online friend who stopped watching VOY after Tuvix because he was THAT offended at the episode.

He got off easy. I watched all of it when it aired.

I got off easy compared to whoever watched ENT when it aired. I was all psyched up to watch it, and then that shitty theme song played. I turned off the TV and didn't watch it until much later.

I'd rather watch ENT than VOY in most instances (especially if the show's delightfully assshole-ish Vulcans are involved). Love the theme song, too. I know it's nothing like the traditional, brassy Trek fanfare, but something about the upbeat and slightly folksy sound of it matches the naive optimism and jury-rigged, flying-by-the-seat-of-the-pants nature of Starfleet's first real starship and crew.

 

[Miller]

I just had a weird random thought.
I know The Orville doesn't have transporters, but if they had an equivalent episode to Voyager's "Tuvix"... Which two characters do you guys think would be the most interesting to merge?

My initial thoughts are Gordon and Bortus. Maybe LaMarr and still Bortus.

Gordon and Yaphit and they find out that they were dating the same girl.

 

[Flexo]

The Tuvix episode alone was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. A half Vulcan/Neelix abomination begging for his life, being marched down deathrow by Adolf Janeway like he's a war criminal.

 

[byuu]

I'd rather watch ENT than VOY in most instances (especially if the show's delightfully assshole-ish Vulcans are involved). Love the theme song, too. I know it's nothing like the traditional, brassy Trek fanfare, but something about the upbeat and slightly folksy sound of it matches the naive optimism and jury-rigged, flying-by-the-seat-of-the-pants nature of Starfleet's first real starship and crew.

ENT's theme song is that horrible combination of awful but catchy. It is abomination.

 

[Judge Holden]

The Tuvix episode alone was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. A half Vulcan/Neelix abomination begging for his life, being marched down deathrow by Adolf Janeway like he's a war criminal.

Nah, the best part was when she coldly told him to follow her to his execution chamber, and he began tearfully begging everyone on the bridge to save him only for them to just silently glare at him, leading to him desperately trying to flee only to be held down by security

Its something that on paper reads like the most horrifying and tragic betrayal imaginable, but the writers seem to think is some sad yet ultimately virtuous necessity and spun it as such in the episode....only for it to play out on screen like the most morbidly hilarious shit in the franchise. Im serious, you could do a shot for shot remake of it in the Orville and it would work as perfect black comedy. Only change needed would be amping up the lack of shits given by everyone on the bridge as the mutant that believed they were its friends is dragged kicking and screaming to its death

 

[UnKillFill]

The worst part about what happened to Tuvix was how *sure* Janeway was that what she was doing was right. She totally justified killing somebody just because she missed her chief of security.

I don't know if Kirk or Sisko would have made the same decision or not (I'm leaning towards probably, but with better justification.), and I'm fairly sure *classic* Picard would have let Tuvix live. (Who knows what the dude Patrick Stewart is playing in STP would have done.)

Archer totally would have killed Tuvix, and Phlox would have happily performed the procedure himself while laughing maniacally.

 

[Judge Holden]

The worst part about what happened to Tuvix was how *sure* Janeway was that what she was doing was right. She totally justified killing somebody just because she missed her chief of security.

I don't know if Kirk or Sisko would have made the same decision or not (I'm leaning towards probably, but with better justification.), and I'm fairly sure *classic* Picard would have let Tuvix live. (Who knows what the dude Patrick Stewart is playing in STP would have done.)

Archer totally would have killed Tuvix, and Phlox would have happily performed the procedure himself while laughing maniacally.

Its one of many, many examples in Voyager in which a slight rewrite could have redeemed the concept and turned an unintentional black comedy into something approaching nuance and maybe even a bit of poignancy.

Have the techno shit that created tuvix be revealed to slowly be killing him, and the moral dilemma is whether to do an ultra-risky experimental procedure to save his life, or a less risky one to undo it and bring neelix/tuvok back at the cost of killing tuvix. Tuvix obviously wants to stay alive at all costs and begs for the former, while janeway eventually goes with the whole "needs of the many" thing and sacrifices one of her crew to save two of her crew

Nothing particularly groundbreaking but atleast its not summary execution for the crime of existing, as hilarious as the end result was

 

[Cyril Sneer]

ENT's theme song is that horrible combination of awful but catchy. It is abomination.

You have no soul LOL

Remember when TV execs thought that what today's hip, young Star Trek fans wanted was a boy-band as recurring characters in the cast, rather than drug-addiction, graphic dismemberment and cold-blooded vigilante executions?

It's kind of funny, actually. If CBS is so hellbent on doing a grimdark sci-fi show, they would have been much better off, from a lore POV, adapting Halo, because that setting has basically everything they're trying to crowbar into Star Trek: a bleak, contentious interstellar human civilization where everyone hates everyone else, a distant, tyrannical government that sends in the setting's equivalent of the 82nd Airborne to gun down protesters, dark and horrific surgical procedures (performed on children for extra grimderp), and that's before introducing the coalition of alien zealots intent on wiping out humanity, or the fact that the closest things to gods in the setting are omnicidal ascended intelligences from another galaxy hellbent on turning all living things into grotesque necromorphs out of sheer spite.

 

[Judge Holden]

It's kind of funny, actually. If CBS is so hellbent on doing a grimdark sci-fi show, they would have been much better off, from a lore POV, adapting Halo, because that setting has basically everything they're trying to crowbar into Star Trek: a bleak, contentious interstellar human civilization where everyone hates everyone else, a distant, tyrannical government that sends in the setting's equivalent of the 82nd Airborne to gun down protesters, dark and horrific surgical procedures (performed on children for extra grimderp), and that's before introducing the coalition of alien zealots intent on wiping out humanity, or the fact that the closest things to gods in the setting are omnicidal ascended intelligences from another galaxy hellbent on turning all living things into grotesque necromorphs out of sheer spite.

Problem is that the omni-boomers in suits who make up the producer demographic have never heard of a Halo before, and when told that its popular with them young people they revert to "ok well we do this edgy schtick the kids love......AND PUT IT IN STAR TREK WHICH THE GROWN UPS LOVE! EVERYONE WILL WANT TO WATCH THIS!" and nobody around them cares enough about the property to say this is a fucking stupid idea. Thus kurtzman gets the job and everything goes to shit

 

[Polyboros2]

I had an online friend who stopped watching VOY after Tuvix because he was THAT offended at the episode.

He got off easy. I watched all of it when it aired.

I got off easy compared to whoever watched ENT when it aired. I was all psyched up to watch it, and then that shitty theme song played. I turned off the TV and didn't watch it until much later.

I grew up with TNG and DS9, and continued through VOY long past the point of reason, but I threw ENT in the trash the second I saw a Klingon cause I knew they didn't give a fuck about being a prequel.

And yes I know they dealt with that in season 4, it doesn't mean they gave a fuck. They fired Brennan and Braga and hired someone that did.

Edit to not double post: Also, I so agree with whoever said Riker has been the only thing in this whole show that felt truly part of Trek. Nice nostalgic feels for TNG-VOY era with out me having to head canon everything as Chuck Sonnenberg's Janeway in charge.

The Last Sane Starfleet Officer: "President Janeway! I have discovered that a Romulan Secret Police agent is in charge of our entire security department!"

SFDebris evil Janeway falsetto: "Yeah, that was really difficult to slip by everyone."

Officer: "But... how is that good for the Federation?"

Janeway: *bewildered anytime would expect her to do something like that* "Good for the Federation?"

 

[UnKillFill]

Ok, I think I'm starting to get why I don't like Keyali. I'm getting Doctor Pulaski vibes from her... A replacement character in the second season, obviously older and less attractive than the character she's replacing, who is also kind of cunty to boot. I'm mostly through season 2 and still liking it though.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Remember how Ed made a big deal about Alara being on his ship because Xelayans rarely join the corps, but then Alara leaves and another Xelayan just magically appears in her place. Its almost like they took all the Alara scenes they had written for season 2 and just changed the name. Like literally the laziest "fix" possible.

 

[UnKillFill]

Remember how Ed made a big deal about Alara being on his ship because Xelayans rarely join the corps, but then Alara leaves and another Xelayan just magically appears in her place. Its almost like they took all the Alara scenes they had written for season 2 and just changed the name. Like literally the laziest "fix" possible.

You aren't really wrong, but they did actually explain why they got another Xelayan to replace Alara, and I found the answer satisfactory. (Even if I still don't like the replacement...) Kelly said in a line of throwaway dialogue that Ed fought tooth and nail to get another Xelayan as a security officer, and that makes sense. Ed was clearly fawning over Alara every time he asked her to open a door and she punched out the entire wall instead (it's why she gave him a jar of pickles as a parting gift, that was a running joke between the two them "Ok, but can you open a pickle jar?"). It makes sense he'd want to keep that dynamic. It probably would have been better with a male Xelayan replacement though I think.

Fucking hell, I just finished watching "2x11 Lasting Impressions." And it was like a better version of the TNG episode where Geordi makes a version of the chick who designed the Enterprise to fuck on the Holodeck to help him come up with new ideas, mixed with a better Barclay holodeck addiction episode, and by the end of it mixed with a better version of that Voyager episode where Janeway deleted the wife of a holodeck character she wanted to bone... Only with actual consequences... Major fucking feels Gordon my man... Also Bortus and Klyden get addicted to cigarettes, and I somehow like them even more as a couple now. I fucking love this show.

 

[Tookie]

I don't know if Kirk or Sisko would have made the same decision or not (I'm leaning towards probably, but with better justification.), and I'm fairly sure *classic* Picard would have let Tuvix live. (Who knows what the dude Patrick Stewart is playing in STP would have done.)

In Children of Time, Sisko was willing to strand the entire crew of Defiant on a planet so that a possible timeline would play out where their hypothetical descendants would get to be born and survive. It's a little bit different situation, but it seems like Sisko might land on the side of letting Tuvix live.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

So I haven't seen Picard, but the consensus seems to be that it blows. My question is, does it blow in an entertaining way or nah? I've read a little and it sounds boring. Discovery had some semi-interesting stuff with the Klingons and I liked the TOS nostalgia bits when they weren't raping its corpse. Mostly I just appreciated the visual effects if nothing else. Is there anything redeeming about Picard at all? They should have got Jennifer Lien back instead of Jeri Ryan, I'd watch that shit. Not sure if I'm going to keep watching Discovery but I'm anxiously awaiting the next season of The Orville.

And what about the rumors that they didn't get Manu Intiraymi back as Icheb and fucked over the character because he pissed somebody off? Was there anything to that?

 

[byuu]

So I haven't seen Picard, but the consensus seems to be that it blows. My question is, does it blow in an entertaining way or nah?

You do get to see Patrick Stewart hamming it up and playing a mustache-twirling French villain.

But I only watch the Picard episodes for the RLM review of them. They're more entertaining than the actual show.

 

[Tookie]

My question is, does it blow in an entertaining way or nah?

No, it's bad in a tedious and frustrating way.