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Yeah, the synopsis alone is a wild ride.
Tom has to follow the laws of the Ledosians and take driving lessons, meanwhile Janeway allows herself to decide what's best for that planet, the Ledosians and the Ventu, ignores the laws of the Ledosians and has her crewman risk his life to fulfill her wish...

It's stuff like this that makes me think Janeway was never about following rules, she just forced her own people to follow stupid rules to fuck with them and to amuse herself when they have to do the song and dance of some idiot alien species while she just slams her hand down, the moment those uppity savaged demand respect for their rules from her.
You could put that case forward.. but more realistically it was just that Voyager had weak show runners, who couldn't maintain a consistent vision. Particularly when they were burdened with shitty characters, that even Orson Welles if he had guest writing/directing gig, would have struggled with.

You could kind of see that they realised where they had gone wrong by getting rid of Kes, and introducing seven of nine. In a narrative sense this was her moving into the role that Tuvok should have occupied.

I mean Kim, Paris, Torres, so many of the characters were just irredeemable shit that no guest writer was going to be able to save. They kept having to Tell not show, that Paris was a badass, Torres was a powerful and conflicted woman, etc etc but ultimately even loyal viewers didn't give a shit.

The best shows such as 'Living Witness' or "Worst case Scenario' relegated the characters to either a secondary role, or had them acting completely out of character.

The reason DS9 worked was that Avery Brooks was a bit of an asshole, who wouldn't just spout whatever shit some hack writer wrote. Likewise Alexander Siddig, Colm Meany and René Auberjonois were all established actors, who were probably capable of telling a showrunner a script was shit,

I suspect that on a basic level the cast of Voyager knew they were shit actors on a shit show, and just counted their blessings.
 
You could put that case forward.. but more realistically it was just that Voyager had weak show runners, who couldn't maintain a consistent vision. Particularly when they were burdened with shitty characters, that even Orson Welles if he had guest writing/directing gig, would have struggled with.

You could kind of see that they realised where they had gone wrong by getting rid of Kes, and introducing seven of nine. In a narrative sense this was her moving into the role that Tuvok should have occupied.

I mean Kim, Paris, Torres, so many of the characters were just irredeemable shit that no guest writer was going to be able to save. They kept having to Tell not show, that Paris was a badass, Torres was a powerful and conflicted woman, etc etc but ultimately even loyal viewers didn't give a shit.

The best shows such as 'Living Witness' or "Worst case Scenario' relegated the characters to either a secondary role, or had them acting completely out of character.

The reason DS9 worked was that Avery Brooks was a bit of an asshole, who wouldn't just spout whatever shit some hack writer wrote. Likewise Alexander Siddig, Colm Meany and René Auberjonois were all established actors, who were probably capable of telling a showrunner a script was shit,

I suspect that on a basic level the cast of Voyager knew they were shit actors on a shit show, and just counted their blessings.
Yeah, it was showrunners too torn up on how to tackle the show, inconsistent writing and so on... it wasn't some finely crafted character study of a dickish person in power, they genuinely believed they were writing a good example of decency and the virtues of Starfleet being confonted with the harsh reality of the Delta Quadrant... in fact, they wrote a mess of a character that would have to be majory psychotic for her actions to fit together.

Taht's kind of what I am getting at: If Janeway was a real person, her behaviour would only make sense when you assume that her decisions aren't based on virtues and morals, but rather that she's completely bonkers and chuckles at the misery of others.
And you know what? Maybe that would make for a decent comedy, not that Lower Deck shit with some quirky female lead making the male lead look like a fool every fucking minute they are in the same room.

I suspect that on a basic level the cast of Voyager knew they were shit actors on a shit show, and just counted their blessings.
I wouldn't be too quick with that judgement. The actor who played Tim Russ is very good, Jeri Ryan was hired as eyecandy and ended up one of the show's most versatile talents, even someone like Ethan Phillips, whose character was a bit annoying did a good enough job. Most of the others, I can't really say are that great, but they aren't that terrible either. The guys that played Kim and Chakotay had characters that were way too bland for me to judge their ability to act tbh.
Robert Picardo as the Doctor is simply one of the best, if not even -the- best character in ST and Robert nails every second of that performance.
 
Taht's kind of what I am getting at: If Janeway was a real person, her behaviour would only make sense when you assume that her decisions aren't based on virtues and morals, but rather that she's completely bonkers and chuckles at the misery of others.
And you know what? Maybe that would make for a decent comedy, not that Lower Deck shit with some quirky female lead making the male lead look like a fool every fucking minute they are in the same room.
That's literally been SFDebris' review schtick for like... 20 years now. He has a long running joke that his mad scientist, psychotic Janeway interpretation ends up making more sense of the character's actions than what the show wants us to believe.

Heck watch this review where he has his psycho janeway vs the real janeway and... see who's crazier. (I won't spoil it)
 
Yeah, it was showrunners too torn up on how to tackle the show, inconsistent writing and so on... it wasn't some finely crafted character study of a dickish person in power, they genuinely believed they were writing a good example of decency and the virtues of Starfleet being confonted with the harsh reality of the Delta Quadrant... in fact, they wrote a mess of a character that would have to be majory psychotic for her actions to fit together.

Taht's kind of what I am getting at: If Janeway was a real person, her behaviour would only make sense when you assume that her decisions aren't based on virtues and morals, but rather that she's completely bonkers and chuckles at the misery of others.
And you know what? Maybe that would make for a decent comedy, not that Lower Deck shit with some quirky female lead making the male lead look like a fool every fucking minute they are in the same room.


I wouldn't be too quick with that judgement. The actor who played Tim Russ is very good, Jeri Ryan was hired as eyecandy and ended up one of the show's most versatile talents, even someone like Ethan Phillips, whose character was a bit annoying did a good enough job. Most of the others, I can't really say are that great, but they aren't that terrible either. The guys that played Kim and Chakotay had characters that were way too bland for me to judge their ability to act tbh.
Robert Picardo as the Doctor is simply one of the best, if not even -the- best character in ST and Robert nails every second of that performance.
Bland is also how I would describe them, and the writers were too big into telling not showing when it came to character traits. Kim/Paris/Torres should have just been binned like they did with Kes.

Seven of Nine was a huge success, and she got some decent scripts to work with. It was season 4 before she was introduced though. Also watch good borg centric episodes, and notice how they have to shoe horn ("Gee Wizz") Kim and ("I'm really a Top Gun) Paris into them.

Kate Mulgrew is a good actress now, but at the time it was her first big break. Patrick Stewart was a seasoned actor, and Avery Brooks was a bit of weirdo, both of those would have pushed back on shit scripts, for different reasons, Mulgrew week in, week out produced 90% shit.

The Doctor was good because Robert Picardo has been around for years, and could polish a turd.

There were good episodes of Voyager, but they would have been even better with a different cast and setting. If it was' a current (and far better show) like the expanse half the Voyager characters would have been beaten bloody then thrown out an airlock.
 
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So rewatching some MacGyver recently and look who showed up in an episode in S1.


Nana Visitor, Kira herself, is the girl of the week in this one. Is it me, or does her hair there make her look like she has real life anime eyes?
I see what you're saying. The women of DS9 were/are hot in their own different ways. The nose ridges helped fill in her flat-looking face
All this talk of how shitty the Federation is reminds me of this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk
Watching through DS9 for the first time made me a habitual root beer drinker. Have to keep that stuff out of my house or I'll lose all my teeth.
 
The greatest Enterprise fan-fiction site on the internet: Triaxian Silk

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How I Miss Thee (The poem was written by T'Pol, not Trip.)

How do I miss thee? Let me count the days
Since we heaved upon my floor breathless
My logic combatting the urge to touch
Your face, to learn your eyes, and know your heart.
Me and my own do not feel as you do
Yet to thine I find my allegiance growing.
I miss thee truly, as my emotions assert themselves;
I miss thee desperately, as we seek those who hurt you.
I miss thee with more ardor than I knew in youth
In my old beliefs, and with a Vulcan's resolve.
I miss thee each morning at the table
Hoping that the Captain will be late and
I may purchase a moment in thine eyes
So illogical -- yet I miss thee.

Ode on a Warp Core

Subspace matrix behind a curtain yellow
Wrapped in your plasma furnace, burning certain
Bright enough to blind Sir Newton, the poor old fellow
Cannot hear the FTL tune you relate
Borne on winds that make photons late.
Each even as the chronometer sets
I eat, retire, and get as close to her as the Vulcan lets
Me, while never doubting I will rise to hear
Your soft thrumming reach my ear
As my feet find Engineering ever near.

 
The greatest Enterprise fan-fiction site on the internet: Triaxian Silk

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How I Miss Thee (The poem was written by T'Pol, not Trip.)

How do I miss thee? Let me count the days
Since we heaved upon my floor breathless
My logic combatting the urge to touch
Your face, to learn your eyes, and know your heart.
Me and my own do not feel as you do
Yet to thine I find my allegiance growing.
I miss thee truly, as my emotions assert themselves;
I miss thee desperately, as we seek those who hurt you.
I miss thee with more ardor than I knew in youth
In my old beliefs, and with a Vulcan's resolve.
I miss thee each morning at the table
Hoping that the Captain will be late and
I may purchase a moment in thine eyes
So illogical -- yet I miss thee.

Ode on a Warp Core

Subspace matrix behind a curtain yellow
Wrapped in your plasma furnace, burning certain
Bright enough to blind Sir Newton, the poor old fellow
Cannot hear the FTL tune you relate
Borne on winds that make photons late.
Each even as the chronometer sets
I eat, retire, and get as close to her as the Vulcan lets
Me, while never doubting I will rise to hear
Your soft thrumming reach my ear
As my feet find Engineering ever near.

I see somebody has decided to copy @CatParty.
 
Kate Mulgrew is a good actress now, but at the time it was her first big break.
Her first big break was the 70s TV series Mrs. Columbo, and she bombed horribly. Part of the problem was that she was way too young (24) for the role.

I don't hate her, nor do I hate Janeway. Somewhere, ages ago I read an interview with Mulgrew where she pledged that Janeway would not behave like a feminist, and IMHO she kept that pledge. Just imagine how they would have done Janeway in current times. Well, maybe we don't have to imagine with that new Janeway series coming out.
 
Just stumbled over this gem:

Not exactly a new video, but it's nice to see someone who worked on classic ST talk about how they tried to keep their Tech believable and the designs of spaceships recognizable with STP shit for comparison. Really drives home how STP and STD are now essentially Harry Potter in space. You need an effect, I bet House Hufflepuff has an old tome on th- I mean, I bet there is a machine that you can make with SCIENCE! Just go "quantum-this" and "Neutrino-that" saying that causes the desired effect and you're set.

Really, the more I think about it, the clearer it becomes that to modern writers, Sci-Fi is indistinguishable from Harry Potter magic.
 
Just stumbled over this gem:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1jSTMkXqz8o
Not exactly a new video, but it's nice to see someone who worked on classic ST talk about how they tried to keep their Tech believable and the designs of spaceships recognizable with STP shit for comparison. Really drives home how STP and STD are now essentially Harry Potter in space. You need an effect, I bet House Hufflepuff has an old tome on th- I mean, I bet there is a machine that you can make with SCIENCE! Just go "quantum-this" and "Neutrino-that" saying that causes the desired effect and you're set.

Really, the more I think about it, the clearer it becomes that to modern writers, Sci-Fi is indistinguishable from Harry Potter magic.
MajorGrin, the one who posted this video, is my favorite editor because of his TNG parody series. Most of his videos were copyright struck which is why he has several Grin channels (NitpickingNerd is his primary one). I had to go to Dailymotion find one of his 200+ recut gems.

 
MajorGrin, the one who posted this video, is my favorite editor because of his TNG parody series. Most of his videos were copyright struck which is why he has several Grin channels (NitpickingNerd is his primary one). I had to go to Dailymotion find one of his 200+ recut gems.

There's something so utterly wrong about watching footage of the Enterprise being flipped upside down.

Also in terms of edits, another thing that I discovered recently, a Youtube channel that replaces scenes with corresponding outtakes from the blooper reel.




I'd love to see a full episode where this is done.
Frankly, just cutting outtakes back into the regular episodes would make for a more hilarious and fun experience than Lower Decks ever could hope to be.
 
A thing I just remembered, once upon a time knowing Klingon was THE ultimate geek signature. Does it still appear in pop culture, or is the idea of actually learning something new form a series you like considered too ableist compared to buying billion funko pops?
The Klingon Language Institute is still alive and well though not as busy as it was when star trek had multiple shows concurrently.
 
I didn't announce my screening of TOS over the past few weeks here because I didn't want to shit up the thread with plugs but I figure this one is big enough to warrant one. On this Saturday I'll be screening all six Star Trek movies plus Generations, probably starting at either 12:30 or 1:00PM Eastern, with minimal filler so marathoning them all isn't downright impossible.

If you've never been before, link is lolcow.tv, channel is "autism". You don't need an account and can post the whole time with a guest name, but you will need to download a script to see the movies, instructions are at the link in the top of the channel. Sometimes it just doesn't work; a few users just open the movie link up and watch along in a separate window, and it definitely doesn't work on mobile. Come to Friday's movienight if you want to test it out and have the majority of mods on hand to answer questions.

 
Just a reminder for when you robots go for your full uprising... I'm not actually a meatbag, I'm a ghost.

Also, Uncle Phil is at least tangentially responsible for explaining why Klingons look so different between TOS and TNG+ until the dark times... (A decent enough retcon for a problem that if I'm being honest, probably didn't really need to be solved... but at least it wasn't overtly offensive or anything like the current day klingorcs are...)
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Today is a good day to die, but tonight I dine on pillowy mounds of mashed potatoes.
 
Just stumbled over this gem:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1jSTMkXqz8o
Not exactly a new video, but it's nice to see someone who worked on classic ST talk about how they tried to keep their Tech believable and the designs of spaceships recognizable with STP shit for comparison. Really drives home how STP and STD are now essentially Harry Potter in space. You need an effect, I bet House Hufflepuff has an old tome on th- I mean, I bet there is a machine that you can make with SCIENCE! Just go "quantum-this" and "Neutrino-that" saying that causes the desired effect and you're set.

Really, the more I think about it, the clearer it becomes that to modern writers, Sci-Fi is indistinguishable from Harry Potter magic.
"You're a Lieutenant, Harry!"
 
I'm fairly active in this thread, and haven't seen anybody post this yet...
Major Grim is always awesome though.
 
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