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I never watched TCW because the childish animation aesthetic completely turned me off. Just ruined any interest I could have had in it.
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To be fair, Legacy of the Force is shit, but aside from that, the EU really doesn't strike me as that strange. Most of it, anyways. If I were in charge of Disney, I'd have chopped off small bits here and there, but I'd keep most of the EU and focus on the good stuff. Then create a new trilogy set 500 years after the OT movies so we can have space to create our own stories and characters. Then I'd hold a lottery based on which comic or novel people would want to make into a TV show or movie, and do that, too.
As for the Force Unleashed, that was George Lucas' doing. They originally were just going to make a game where you play as a Wookiee going all "HULK SMASH!" on the enemy. Lucas personally intervened then had them write a story about Vader's Apprentice. And he approved of the whole thing as his personal bridge between Episodes III and IV. He worked closely with the game's story writers before it was all approved, and they even used the game as a test bed for a physics engine. So no, according to the guy who made Star Wars, that shit's canon as his official Episode 3.5.
The same thing happened with Dark Empire. Originally, it was going to be a tame story where some Dark Jedi dickhead dresses up as Darth Vader and uses superweapons on the New Republic to scare them. Lucas came in, ninja-kicked those plans in the nuts, and he approved of a new plan where the Emperor comes back from the dead through cloning, and he starts deleting fleets with his mind WHILE also unleashing superweapons on the good guys. Apparently Lucas liked the story enough that he considered it his favorite SW comic, and it shows-Palpatine in EPIII suddenly had a desire for immortality, something that he didn't have in EPVI, which foreshadows him having reached a form of immortality through body-hopping by the time of Dark Empire.
The Vong would have been better off if they were the last enemy for the OT cast to face. The enemy that kept Thrawn and Palpatine awake at night, they would have made for a good "final boss" story to cap off the OT characters' tales and just end it there. The overwhelming strength of the Vong explains why Palpatine approved of massive space stations that house planet-killing superlasers, and why he pursued a militarized, unified galaxy at any cost. The fact that the Jedi and the Alliance manage to beat the foe that Palpatine was preparing to fight without having to resort to his methods is the kind of miracle that calls back to Luke destroying the Death Star with a one-in-a-million shot that even the priciest targeting computers couldn't make. Granted, it'd make the story kind of fairy-tale-ish, but hey, Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, so we might as well go with a fantastical final boss for our main OT cast to face as the last obstacle to peace in their time.
Quite literally, almost everything that's nuts about the EU sans the Vong had Lucas' stamp of approval on it. Almost everything. And blame the EU writers if you must, but you can't say no to the guy who made Star Wars, at least back then. And of course, kicking him out of the house wasn't the solution, as Disney Star Wars has revealed oh-so-painfully. As wacky as some of Lucas' ideas were, they were nowhere near as bad as Hollywood's ideas or the ideas of other writers. Pansexual Lando and Reylo-baiting makes even the respawning Emperor of Dark Empire look tame by comparison, and the character rape they did to Luke Skywalker in Last Jedi makes the character assassination inflicted on Darth Revan by SWTOR look like small potatoes, by comparison.
As for the Force Unleashed, that was George Lucas' doing. They originally were just going to make a game where you play as a Wookiee going all "HULK SMASH!" on the enemy. Lucas personally intervened then had them write a story about Vader's Apprentice. And he approved of the whole thing as his personal bridge between Episodes III and IV. He worked closely with the game's story writers before it was all approved, and they even used the game as a test bed for a physics engine. So no, according to the guy who made Star Wars, that shit's canon as his official Episode 3.5.
The same thing happened with Dark Empire. Originally, it was going to be a tame story where some Dark Jedi dickhead dresses up as Darth Vader and uses superweapons on the New Republic to scare them. Lucas came in, ninja-kicked those plans in the nuts, and he approved of a new plan where the Emperor comes back from the dead through cloning, and he starts deleting fleets with his mind WHILE also unleashing superweapons on the good guys. Apparently Lucas liked the story enough that he considered it his favorite SW comic, and it shows-Palpatine in EPIII suddenly had a desire for immortality, something that he didn't have in EPVI, which foreshadows him having reached a form of immortality through body-hopping by the time of Dark Empire.
The Vong would have been better off if they were the last enemy for the OT cast to face. The enemy that kept Thrawn and Palpatine awake at night, they would have made for a good "final boss" story to cap off the OT characters' tales and just end it there. The overwhelming strength of the Vong explains why Palpatine approved of massive space stations that house planet-killing superlasers, and why he pursued a militarized, unified galaxy at any cost. The fact that the Jedi and the Alliance manage to beat the foe that Palpatine was preparing to fight without having to resort to his methods is the kind of miracle that calls back to Luke destroying the Death Star with a one-in-a-million shot that even the priciest targeting computers couldn't make. Granted, it'd make the story kind of fairy-tale-ish, but hey, Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, so we might as well go with a fantastical final boss for our main OT cast to face as the last obstacle to peace in their time.
Quite literally, almost everything that's nuts about the EU sans the Vong had Lucas' stamp of approval on it. Almost everything. And blame the EU writers if you must, but you can't say no to the guy who made Star Wars, at least back then. And of course, kicking him out of the house wasn't the solution, as Disney Star Wars has revealed oh-so-painfully. As wacky as some of Lucas' ideas were, they were nowhere near as bad as Hollywood's ideas or the ideas of other writers. Pansexual Lando and Reylo-baiting makes even the respawning Emperor of Dark Empire look tame by comparison, and the character rape they did to Luke Skywalker in Last Jedi makes the character assassination inflicted on Darth Revan by SWTOR look like small potatoes, by comparison.
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Only if we're making fun of Disney adults, and there's already a thread on those faggots.
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I actually have some good things to say about Disney Star wars not all of it is perfect but it's not that bad
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Star Wars is dead, my guys. Best not to acknowledge the shambling corpse.
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Star Wars as we knew it best will always live in our hearts.
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I think one reason it fizzled out is that at this point, even genuinely good Star Wars content has been, essentially, retroactively tainted by the ST.
It's more than just seeing decades of promise and adventure coming to a completely undignified and unceremonious end, it's watching the entire universe it was built on get hollowed out like a body worried by parasites, and bad writers ensuring that even the successes and trials of the characters from the PT and OT were, ultimately, for nothing. There are many wounds that, given time, the franchise could have endured and walked off. The EU survived the Bakura arc, after all, it could survive similar. What it could not survive was the utter decimation of its core characters and the complete invalidation of, essentially, everything from the first six movies. None of their struggles mattered, in the end. Every single character winds up with an arc gutted and ruined by the ST's halfway point.
Post-Lucas Lucasfilm had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. They had all the OT cast on-board, and enthusiastic. And somehow, despite this, you do not get a single scene with them all together. At no point did the OT or PT matter to the creators of the ST, beyond the ability to cynically use them, and most of the OT Team gets unceremoniously get killed off, with no payoff. Not only does this cut any further arcs with their characters off, but the specific decision to make these cutoffs as unsatisfying as humanly possible can only be due to either malice or incompetence, and regardless of the reason, the damage is already done, and no franchise can sustain itself after a wound of that magnitude.
The bleed from it took a while, and things like Mandalorian kind of stemmed the tide a little, but, the thing about a hemorrhage is that unless you stop it, the bleed will keep happening. And failing to stop said bleed is exactly what Disney did - seeing the success at one of the rare avenues they hadn't fucked up yet, they tried to open the sluice pipe fully to throw as much content as they could that way, hoping anything would stick, and even then they kept on tarnishing characters people liked in favor of new ones that were completely unlikeable, proving they had learned absolutely nothing. Every single property they sharted out went down this way: Initially make the thing about a character people like, undercut that character in favor of Original the Character (Do not Steal), and then make the entire new series about this character rather than the headliner. Bonus points if you fucked up the original character particularly badly in the process.
This happened over and over again, with no one actually learning their lesson and simply increasing the bleed until we're at where we are now, which is where there's ultimately nothing left to give. They took one of the most important, critically received, economically profitable franchises in the history of the world, and successfully caused interest in it to rot away to dust in less than a decade. Barring extreme circumstances, there's no saving it now.
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lol I forgot the Millennium Falcon's brain belongs to the pansexual droid Lando used to bang.
This thread reminds me how great the prequel tie-in novels were (for the most part). Shadow Hunter, Cloak of Deception, and Labyrinth of Evil are all good enough to be re-read, and Revenge of the Sith might be the best novelization ever.
This thread reminds me how great the prequel tie-in novels were (for the most part). Shadow Hunter, Cloak of Deception, and Labyrinth of Evil are all good enough to be re-read, and Revenge of the Sith might be the best novelization ever.
Tahiri looks like a lesbian space trucker here. It was funny how she couldn't get over her teenage boyfriend when she was in her 30s, though.
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Nah, that only happens in fake Star Wars.
As far as Tahiri goes, she didn't even get dick as far as we know.
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Man. I had forgotten about that whole trial with her where Jacen led her by the nose with her own personal Force holodeck.
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Thoughts on New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong?
The way I see them, the Vong were a great idea, from their culture, to their biotech, to their justification for conquest. The only thing I would've changed about them is to remove the idea of them being "immune" to the Force and instead just make them dead to it like the Jedi Exile was prior to KOTOR 2. That way, there could still be more than one Vong who's Force-sensitive, and you can still hit them with things like mind-tricks or Force pushes, since the idea of them being outside the Force is stupid when all living things emit the Force itself. I'd just have it so that they're deaf to it for now, but their entrance into the New Republic's galaxy has allowed some of them to re-awaken to it after spending so much time in the cold void of space between galaxies.
The idea that Palpatine was preparing the galaxy to fight them was a good one. Palpatine, like many Dark-Siders, is a parasite. It makes perfect sense why Palpatine would found the Empire and make himself the target of every Tom, Dick, and dipshit who hated his life, because even corrupt assholes want to save the world so they can keep mooching off it. Palpatine could've just remained hidden and kept researching the Dark Side to reach his apotheosis, while letting the Jedi serve at his feet as his guise was that of the Senatorial Elite that gives the Jedi their marching orders.
The fact that he went the other way and wiped them out to create the Empire is kind of a moronic gesture, since that would make him a target for every politician, terrorist, and wannabe-freedom-fighter who wants power, not to mention his own Imperial bureaucrats who would obviously want that throne of his. But he stuck his neck out and made such a risky move, because he thought that if he didn't, there'd be no galactic society left to mooch off from. It's like when Gaunter O'Dimm told Geralt of Rivia in Witcher 3 how to save Ciri when the latter asks him about it, because Ciri's survival means that the world can be saved from the White Frost. O'Dimm is pure evil, he's quite literally the Witcherverse version of the devil, but he still tells Geralt how to save Ciri and by extension, the world, because if the world ends, O'Dimm will have no one to play with, and he might not even survive.
It's when the New Republic gets involved in the story, that's when the story breaks down.
It would've been more interesting if the Vong War was a more even fight. Instead of the Vong being artificially far more powerful then de-powered halfway through the war, they should've just been an even fight for the NR. A never-ending war in the mid-rim where the Vong take the Outer Rim but fail to penetrate into the core, while the New Republic holds the line, would've been better, instead of making the good guy faction go corrupt and lose brain cells.
Even corrupt assholes will hide behind the heroes and give them power in order to get rid of a pest, and the Vong would qualify as the kind of pest that any corrupt politician would want buried, especially since they want to change everything and enslave/mass-genocide anything in their way. I can imagine Borsk doing a complete 180-degree turn with his relationship with the Jedi once the Vong show up, and he butters up the Jedi and gives them a high position in the New Republic military to get rid of the Vong, pretending to back them up fully, while planning his own schemes to wipe out the Vong on his own terms and make the Jedi look like yesterday's news.
A better conflict for a series that's named after the New Jedi Order would've been one of a spiritual conflict; where the Vong and the NR are just battling it out, and the NR starts making "moral compromises" to win, with the Jedi trying to keep the NR in the short and narrow path to a moral and righteous victory, while the "corrupt" leaders in the NR get in bed with the Empire to achieve victory by any means.
I mean, if you have an immigrant gang tearing up a Mafia neighborhood, what's the more likely outcome? That the "corrupt" mobsters will compromise with them? Or break their legs and give them cement shoes while hunting down and slaughtering their families?
Basically, it doesn't matter which canon you follow; in both EU and Disney canon, the heroes' victory in ROTJ is undone and turned around into a dystopian, hellish nightmare, because authors have to write new villains to scare the audience, be it the First Order or the Yuuzhan Vong. Even if it means making that great victory at the end of the OT completely worthless. And of course, the only reason why you have a plot is because the good guys are morons. In the new canon, the New Republic disarmed, which allowed the First Order to build up their military to be a threat to the galaxy, while in the old canon, the New Republic abandoned the Jedi while trying to negotiate with the Vong or lead them to a trap, which led to the loss of 365 trillion lives, a far greater loss than anything Palpatine did.
If your story only works because the good guys are uncharacteristically stupid, you need to get back to the drawing board or hang up your credentials as a writer.
The way I see them, the Vong were a great idea, from their culture, to their biotech, to their justification for conquest. The only thing I would've changed about them is to remove the idea of them being "immune" to the Force and instead just make them dead to it like the Jedi Exile was prior to KOTOR 2. That way, there could still be more than one Vong who's Force-sensitive, and you can still hit them with things like mind-tricks or Force pushes, since the idea of them being outside the Force is stupid when all living things emit the Force itself. I'd just have it so that they're deaf to it for now, but their entrance into the New Republic's galaxy has allowed some of them to re-awaken to it after spending so much time in the cold void of space between galaxies.
The idea that Palpatine was preparing the galaxy to fight them was a good one. Palpatine, like many Dark-Siders, is a parasite. It makes perfect sense why Palpatine would found the Empire and make himself the target of every Tom, Dick, and dipshit who hated his life, because even corrupt assholes want to save the world so they can keep mooching off it. Palpatine could've just remained hidden and kept researching the Dark Side to reach his apotheosis, while letting the Jedi serve at his feet as his guise was that of the Senatorial Elite that gives the Jedi their marching orders.
The fact that he went the other way and wiped them out to create the Empire is kind of a moronic gesture, since that would make him a target for every politician, terrorist, and wannabe-freedom-fighter who wants power, not to mention his own Imperial bureaucrats who would obviously want that throne of his. But he stuck his neck out and made such a risky move, because he thought that if he didn't, there'd be no galactic society left to mooch off from. It's like when Gaunter O'Dimm told Geralt of Rivia in Witcher 3 how to save Ciri when the latter asks him about it, because Ciri's survival means that the world can be saved from the White Frost. O'Dimm is pure evil, he's quite literally the Witcherverse version of the devil, but he still tells Geralt how to save Ciri and by extension, the world, because if the world ends, O'Dimm will have no one to play with, and he might not even survive.
It's when the New Republic gets involved in the story, that's when the story breaks down.
The New Republic turns its back on the Jedi, despite the fact that the Jedi were quite literally the founders and saviors of the New Republic. It was through Jedi actions in works like ROTJ, the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, the Jedi Knight games, among other works, which led to the New Republic even having a snowball's chance in hell of existing, let alone winning. Palpatine was on the verge of winning on Endor, until Vader turned against Palpatine at the behest of Luke, which led to the Empire's loss and the start of the process which led to the New Republic being founded. Thrawn was winning against the New Republic, until Luke and Mara put Joruus 6 feet under and Leia turned the Nohgri against the Grand Admiral. Dark Empire Palpatine was winning against the New Republic, until the Jedi Princess Leia turned Luke against Palpatine, and later on, the Jedi put the revived Emperor down and one of the Jedi literally sent him to the Force Afterlife.
Every nation has its founding myths. Rome with Romulus and Remus. America with George Washington. Ukraine and Russia with the Kievan Rus princes converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. China with Qin Shi Huangdi unifying the warring states. The Jedi are the equivalent of that for the New Republic. And for the New Republic to turn against them because "hurr durr, corruption" is like, what if the Romans betrayed Romulus. Or what if the English sold out Alfred the Great to the Vikings. Or what if the Americans abandoned George Washington to the British. It was so sickening and disheartening that it basically makes the victory in ROTJ a complete waste of time.
The government that the heroes in the OT and in many games, novels, and comics fought so hard to create winds up turning against the Jedi heroes who saved them multiple times, all the while trying to appease an evil greater than Palpatine, and they died because they failed in doing so. This then leads to 365 trillion deaths, far worse than anything Palpatine ever did. For the New Republic's people to support a government that abandons the heroes who helped found it goes to show their complete lack of moral fiber and integrity; it shows that for all their talk of freedom, they'd happily sell out the same people who saved them over and over again to an enemy that makes the previous bad guys look like saints by comparison.
It took the Old Republic after the Ruusan Reformation 1000 years to fall into corruption, turn against the people who protect them, and die. It took the New Republic less than a single generation to fall into the same thing. Sure, you can talk about Nom Anor manipulating things, but even with the Sith manipulating things during the Republic, it took them a thousand years and corruption that grew in the space of said 1000 years before they had a shot at taking out the Jedi.
The Empire that was forced to surrender to the New Republic was able to hold the Vong back at Bastion and Ithor, and gave the Vong a black eye, and later on, the Vong are defeated by the tattered remnants of the New Republic and the Empire, so just imagine what would've happened if the New Republic struck at the Vong with full strength instead of trying to lure them to a decisive battle or negotiate with them. There wouldn't be a plot at all. Just the Vong getting crushed in the mid-rim and the story being over before it even gets hot.
And imagine if the New Jedi Order and the New Republic were working in concert; Luke during the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire spent time with Joruus C'baoth and Emperor Palpatine; the former had Battle Meditation, the latter knew how to create Force Storms that devoured whole fleets. And Luke taught the NJO, which did not hesitate to use Dark Side powers for their own cause. So imagine the NJO fighting alongside a New Republic armada; the full strength of the New Republic, backed up by Force powers that sap the enemy's will to fight (this includes Dovin Basals, since the Vong biotech are living things) or Force Storms. There wouldn't even be a war. More like a skirmish. This whole war literally happened because the New Republic side was short on brain cells and common sense.
Every nation has its founding myths. Rome with Romulus and Remus. America with George Washington. Ukraine and Russia with the Kievan Rus princes converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. China with Qin Shi Huangdi unifying the warring states. The Jedi are the equivalent of that for the New Republic. And for the New Republic to turn against them because "hurr durr, corruption" is like, what if the Romans betrayed Romulus. Or what if the English sold out Alfred the Great to the Vikings. Or what if the Americans abandoned George Washington to the British. It was so sickening and disheartening that it basically makes the victory in ROTJ a complete waste of time.
The government that the heroes in the OT and in many games, novels, and comics fought so hard to create winds up turning against the Jedi heroes who saved them multiple times, all the while trying to appease an evil greater than Palpatine, and they died because they failed in doing so. This then leads to 365 trillion deaths, far worse than anything Palpatine ever did. For the New Republic's people to support a government that abandons the heroes who helped found it goes to show their complete lack of moral fiber and integrity; it shows that for all their talk of freedom, they'd happily sell out the same people who saved them over and over again to an enemy that makes the previous bad guys look like saints by comparison.
It took the Old Republic after the Ruusan Reformation 1000 years to fall into corruption, turn against the people who protect them, and die. It took the New Republic less than a single generation to fall into the same thing. Sure, you can talk about Nom Anor manipulating things, but even with the Sith manipulating things during the Republic, it took them a thousand years and corruption that grew in the space of said 1000 years before they had a shot at taking out the Jedi.
The Empire that was forced to surrender to the New Republic was able to hold the Vong back at Bastion and Ithor, and gave the Vong a black eye, and later on, the Vong are defeated by the tattered remnants of the New Republic and the Empire, so just imagine what would've happened if the New Republic struck at the Vong with full strength instead of trying to lure them to a decisive battle or negotiate with them. There wouldn't be a plot at all. Just the Vong getting crushed in the mid-rim and the story being over before it even gets hot.
And imagine if the New Jedi Order and the New Republic were working in concert; Luke during the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire spent time with Joruus C'baoth and Emperor Palpatine; the former had Battle Meditation, the latter knew how to create Force Storms that devoured whole fleets. And Luke taught the NJO, which did not hesitate to use Dark Side powers for their own cause. So imagine the NJO fighting alongside a New Republic armada; the full strength of the New Republic, backed up by Force powers that sap the enemy's will to fight (this includes Dovin Basals, since the Vong biotech are living things) or Force Storms. There wouldn't even be a war. More like a skirmish. This whole war literally happened because the New Republic side was short on brain cells and common sense.
It would've been more interesting if the Vong War was a more even fight. Instead of the Vong being artificially far more powerful then de-powered halfway through the war, they should've just been an even fight for the NR. A never-ending war in the mid-rim where the Vong take the Outer Rim but fail to penetrate into the core, while the New Republic holds the line, would've been better, instead of making the good guy faction go corrupt and lose brain cells.
Even corrupt assholes will hide behind the heroes and give them power in order to get rid of a pest, and the Vong would qualify as the kind of pest that any corrupt politician would want buried, especially since they want to change everything and enslave/mass-genocide anything in their way. I can imagine Borsk doing a complete 180-degree turn with his relationship with the Jedi once the Vong show up, and he butters up the Jedi and gives them a high position in the New Republic military to get rid of the Vong, pretending to back them up fully, while planning his own schemes to wipe out the Vong on his own terms and make the Jedi look like yesterday's news.
A better conflict for a series that's named after the New Jedi Order would've been one of a spiritual conflict; where the Vong and the NR are just battling it out, and the NR starts making "moral compromises" to win, with the Jedi trying to keep the NR in the short and narrow path to a moral and righteous victory, while the "corrupt" leaders in the NR get in bed with the Empire to achieve victory by any means.
Sure, have the initial offensive where the Vong take the Outer Rim rather swiftly, but halfway through, by the time they get to the mid-rim, the New Republic gets wise to countering Vong biotech and start holding them back. Then you can have Borsk Fey'lya and his mates get in bed with some Imperial warlords who give him schematics of Imperial superweapons like the Galaxy Gun or the World Devastators. Some even create bioweapons that can kill Vong on contact. Meanwhile, back on the war front the Jedi use Force powers like Battle Meditation so that the NR forces can win battles conventionally; they hold the line, force the Vong to retreat, and keep the Vong on their side of the border, yet the war rages on. Then Borsk and his Imperial mates (throw Daala in the mix for all I care) start using Imperial bioweapons and superweapons to win. They start decimating entire sectors and "liberating" them from the Vong advance, even though they go further than just killing the warriors and even go so far as killing their civilians and slaves.
World Devastators and Galaxy Guns eradicate entire worldships full of Vong, bioweapons deployed in atmosphere leads to Vong dying by the billions; and this mass slaughter leads to an end to the see-saw stalemate and gives the NR the upper hand that they've been looking for in years. But the heroes who fought against the evils of the old Empire see the New Republic becoming that very same evil, when they go so far as to kill not just the Vong warriors, but their women and children too. (LOL insert Vader joke here) Borsk and his Imperial buddies justify it by saying that victory by any means is the best way forward, while the NJO and several old dogs from the Alliance oppose Fey'lya because they opposed the Empire for committing the same evils and atrocities against civilians.
The New Republic is split in two, and it eventually causes a civil war when Borsk calls for the arrest of the Jedi when they tried to stop a bioweapon deployment on Dantooine, since plenty of Vong workers and slaves live there, so the Jedi halt the bioweapon shipment with their own fleet, conventionally defeat the local Vong warriors, and just declare their own rule over Dantooine once they've won, using the old Jedi Enclave from the KOTOR days as the center of government there.
Borsk then declares the Jedi enemies of the state, and half of the New Republic goes rogue and denounces Borsk as their leader, electing Luke Skywalker in his place as their emergency president until Borsk has been dealt with. As for the Empire, it also splits in half between more honorable leaders like Grand Admiral Gilad Pellaeon, who wants to fight the war the way the Jedi do, and Admiral Natasi Daala, who is in league with Borsk and who's supplying him with things like bioweapons.
This then gives the Vong the last chance they have at victory, and they muster all their forces for a final push. Then the Jedi win, because they use Force powers like Battle Meditation, Force illusions, and Force mind-meld to aid their conventional forces in defeating Borsk and his buddies, and they also likewise defeat the last tired remnants of the Vong army, especially since the Vong have been worn down severely from the superweapons used against them.
With both antagonistic forces defeated, the Jedi declare an end to the Yuuzhan Vong War, and they exile Borsk and his friends from Coruscant and the galactic core, and they likewise force terms upon the Vong that keeps their populace contained to a sector of galactic space. The Jedi end the war on their terms, not massacring either of the factions that went against them, but de-fanging them and making sure that neither are a threat. That way, you still have your long, brutal war, without the good guys losing fucking brain cells, and the "corrupt" parts of the New Republic would've reacted to an outside threat the way corrupt people in real life do-with extreme prejudice.
World Devastators and Galaxy Guns eradicate entire worldships full of Vong, bioweapons deployed in atmosphere leads to Vong dying by the billions; and this mass slaughter leads to an end to the see-saw stalemate and gives the NR the upper hand that they've been looking for in years. But the heroes who fought against the evils of the old Empire see the New Republic becoming that very same evil, when they go so far as to kill not just the Vong warriors, but their women and children too. (LOL insert Vader joke here) Borsk and his Imperial buddies justify it by saying that victory by any means is the best way forward, while the NJO and several old dogs from the Alliance oppose Fey'lya because they opposed the Empire for committing the same evils and atrocities against civilians.
The New Republic is split in two, and it eventually causes a civil war when Borsk calls for the arrest of the Jedi when they tried to stop a bioweapon deployment on Dantooine, since plenty of Vong workers and slaves live there, so the Jedi halt the bioweapon shipment with their own fleet, conventionally defeat the local Vong warriors, and just declare their own rule over Dantooine once they've won, using the old Jedi Enclave from the KOTOR days as the center of government there.
Borsk then declares the Jedi enemies of the state, and half of the New Republic goes rogue and denounces Borsk as their leader, electing Luke Skywalker in his place as their emergency president until Borsk has been dealt with. As for the Empire, it also splits in half between more honorable leaders like Grand Admiral Gilad Pellaeon, who wants to fight the war the way the Jedi do, and Admiral Natasi Daala, who is in league with Borsk and who's supplying him with things like bioweapons.
This then gives the Vong the last chance they have at victory, and they muster all their forces for a final push. Then the Jedi win, because they use Force powers like Battle Meditation, Force illusions, and Force mind-meld to aid their conventional forces in defeating Borsk and his buddies, and they also likewise defeat the last tired remnants of the Vong army, especially since the Vong have been worn down severely from the superweapons used against them.
With both antagonistic forces defeated, the Jedi declare an end to the Yuuzhan Vong War, and they exile Borsk and his friends from Coruscant and the galactic core, and they likewise force terms upon the Vong that keeps their populace contained to a sector of galactic space. The Jedi end the war on their terms, not massacring either of the factions that went against them, but de-fanging them and making sure that neither are a threat. That way, you still have your long, brutal war, without the good guys losing fucking brain cells, and the "corrupt" parts of the New Republic would've reacted to an outside threat the way corrupt people in real life do-with extreme prejudice.
I mean, if you have an immigrant gang tearing up a Mafia neighborhood, what's the more likely outcome? That the "corrupt" mobsters will compromise with them? Or break their legs and give them cement shoes while hunting down and slaughtering their families?
Basically, it doesn't matter which canon you follow; in both EU and Disney canon, the heroes' victory in ROTJ is undone and turned around into a dystopian, hellish nightmare, because authors have to write new villains to scare the audience, be it the First Order or the Yuuzhan Vong. Even if it means making that great victory at the end of the OT completely worthless. And of course, the only reason why you have a plot is because the good guys are morons. In the new canon, the New Republic disarmed, which allowed the First Order to build up their military to be a threat to the galaxy, while in the old canon, the New Republic abandoned the Jedi while trying to negotiate with the Vong or lead them to a trap, which led to the loss of 365 trillion lives, a far greater loss than anything Palpatine did.
If your story only works because the good guys are uncharacteristically stupid, you need to get back to the drawing board or hang up your credentials as a writer.
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Lmao, it's hilarious you had to scuttle off to another thread after you got exposed on the Main Star Wars Thread for not reading the books you spend so much time sperging about.
A little hard to offer critique about how a book series should have gone when you yourself have admitted you didn't even finish reading the series in the first place, and have only ever relied on Wiki articles, Essential Guides and secondhand information to opine on events you claim to be an authority on.
A little hard to offer critique about how a book series should have gone when you yourself have admitted you didn't even finish reading the series in the first place, and have only ever relied on Wiki articles, Essential Guides and secondhand information to opine on events you claim to be an authority on.
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Fucking lol. Why am I not surprised it's this guy who never read shit but has the most autistic opinions.
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From Fallout, to Elder Scrolls, to Warhammer 40K...he beats his chest in every hobby-based thread about having some kind of authority on the topic, gets exposed for having next to no knowledge, and then goes into salt overload to defend himself.
Lord Autism is the poster child for "I know I haven't actually READ anything, but trust me, bro...I'm an EXPERT on what I'm talking about."
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Okay, on the main thread, I asked if there were other wikis where I could have resourceful knowledge for the Expanded Universe since Wookiepedia is beyond fucked. I mostly know the games (Republic Commando and KOTOR, especially II), but I'd like to ask if there is an alternative wiki. If you are asking, I just want to know more of Grievous' storyline in the EU, maybe a bit of Ventress as well.