Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

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Reading through this thread is such a time capsule

Boba Fett is turned into a glorified Mary Sue in the Expanded Universe and I have gotten into multiple fights with butthurt fanboys of his when I say I think it's fucking retarded that Boba Fett bested Darth Vader in combat.

Because it fucking is.

Boba Fett fell in a desert vagina and died like a bitch.

So uh, I guess the Boba Fett fanboys who love the EU come off as super autistic to me, and I get much joy out of rustling their jimmies.
DARTH MAUL AND BOBBA FETT SURVIVED THEIR OBVIOUS DEATHS TO BECOME THE BEST THINGS EVER

(Literally every EU or Star Wars fanfics)
I’ll take ”things that haven’t aged well“ for $400 Alex.

it’s a shame that the thread seemed to die for awhile when TLJ dropped, the reactions would have been great to see.
 
Okay, on the main thread, I asked if there were other wikis where I could have resourceful knowledge for the Expanded Universe since Wookiepedia is beyond fucked. I mostly know the games (Republic Commando and KOTOR, especially II), but I'd like to ask if there is an alternative wiki. If you are asking, I just want to know more of Grievous' storyline in the EU, maybe a bit of Ventress as well.
I don't think so. The problem with a lot of Star Wars Wiki projects is that due to the girth of the EU or outright laziness of the wiki mods, most of them end up fractured or unfinished.

Your best bet would be looking for online uploads of things like Essential Guides, Visual Guides, the SW Encyclopedia, etc. Because at least those are official resources that remain untampered, and retain some level of accuracy.
 
God i hate starwars, ever since i was a child this trash has seemingly been forced upon me, i remember first being totally underwhelmed by the toys, how small and plain they seemed to be when compared to my HeMan action figures, then i seen the film and found it tiring and slow as a child and stupid and loud as an adult, all my other nerdy hobbies, comics, magic the gathering, dnd seemed to be infected with this rot, never far away could i seem to ever get from it. Mind you, this was right before the prequels and after they came out the entire thing just continued to snowball so that this retarded shit began to appear in literally everything and not just in geek adjacent things....

My only hope is that the whole thing implodes under its own weight, but i have a feeling it may persist longer than the united states will.
 
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From Fallout, to Elder Scrolls, to Warhammer 40K...he beats his chest in every hobby-based thread about having some kind of authority on the topic, gets exposed for having next to no knowledge, and then goes into salt overload to defend himself.

Lord Autism is the poster child for "I know I haven't actually READ anything, but trust me, bro...I'm an EXPERT on what I'm talking about."
He's a big reason I stopped following the Star Wars thread in general, and I groaned hard when I saw him start posting in the WH40k thread because I knew he was going to ruin it with long ass screeds on pointless bullshit that nobody cared about. Thankfully he hasn't shit up Star Trek yet but I imagine he's not into Trek because it isn't constant action all the time, thus it's harder for him to process.
Okay, on the main thread, I asked if there were other wikis where I could have resourceful knowledge for the Expanded Universe since Wookiepedia is beyond fucked. I mostly know the games (Republic Commando and KOTOR, especially II), but I'd like to ask if there is an alternative wiki. If you are asking, I just want to know more of Grievous' storyline in the EU, maybe a bit of Ventress as well.
Your best bet now would probably be to torrent the actual books and comics online.
 
Okay, on the main thread, I asked if there were other wikis where I could have resourceful knowledge for the Expanded Universe since Wookiepedia is beyond fucked. I mostly know the games (Republic Commando and KOTOR, especially II), but I'd like to ask if there is an alternative wiki. If you are asking, I just want to know more of Grievous' storyline in the EU, maybe a bit of Ventress as well.
By "beyond fucked" do you mean that they have also changed the old EU threads and entries? I haven't used wookipedia in a while, but last time i was checking some info about old comics from Star Wars Tales, most postions were unchanged (at least there was no mention about any change in the changelog).
 
Lmao, it's hilarious you had to scuttle off to another thread after you got exposed on the Main Star Wars Thread for not reading the books you spend so much time sperging about.

A little hard to offer critique about how a book series should have gone when you yourself have admitted you didn't even finish reading the series in the first place, and have only ever relied on Wiki articles, Essential Guides and secondhand information to opine on events you claim to be an authority on.
This adds so much context to his borderline schizophrenic posts in some of these threads. Fucking lol
 
Lmao, it's hilarious you had to scuttle off to another thread after you got exposed on the Main Star Wars Thread for not reading the books you spend so much time sperging about.

A little hard to offer critique about how a book series should have gone when you yourself have admitted you didn't even finish reading the series in the first place, and have only ever relied on Wiki articles, Essential Guides and secondhand information to opine on events you claim to be an authority on.
Wow, I'm flattered that you'd stalk me all the way here. Can't get enough of showing how brazenly uneducated you are in the main thread? I know you have a stalker crush on me, but come on, this is way too funny.

Again, I already proved that these books were written by people who barely understood the movies, let alone gave a crap about the story. The fact that your "proof" for the Empire losing to the Vong was clearly written by someone who barely watched the first film. And again, NJO is a story that only lasts so long because the good guys, who are supposed to be smarter than the Empire, lost brain cells.

As in, if the New Republic was actually united behind the Jedi and fought the Vong 100% from the start, there'd be no story. Even the oh-so-magical Dovin Basals that can strip energy shields from ships and absorb attacks with mini black holes can get overwhelmed by mass-firing low-power shots, so from the start, the NR had the tech to beat them. The Vong lose to tattered remnants of the New Republic and the Empire; the Empire itself, despite being so pathetic that it barely has 200 ISDs to its name, managed to give the Vong a black eye and force them to retreat, meaning that if the New Republic, which was far more powerful than the Imperial Remnant, devoted itself to fighting the Vong fully from the start, the Vong would've been an Outer Rim conflict; a border skirmish that at most, might have gotten to the Mid Rim before the Jedi put them down for good.

Instead, the series goes on over a dozen novels, because the New Republic hides like cowards and keeps letting the Vong take more and more of the galaxy while alienating the Jedi, which of course means that the NR grew weaker and weaker while trying to negotiate with the kind of people who were killing an approximate of 250 billion people a day (the Vong war lasts 4 years and kills 365 trillion people, which means that by average, every day means that a quarter of a trillion lives are lost to the invaders) which goes to show that the New Republic killed more people with its incompetence than the Empire did with its sheer malice.

The fact that the New Republic were shunning the Jedi while trying to talk diplomacy with the Vong makes just about as much sense as say, the English selling out Alfred the Great to the Vikings. Or the Americans selling out George Washington to the British. Except, things like that didn't happen, because most nations with working brain cells won't abandon the people who helped defend or found their nation to some outside weirdos they don't fully understand. The New Republic was literally founded thanks to the acts of the Jedi. Luke convincing Vader to turn against the Emperor. Leia convincing the Nohgri to kill Thrawn. Empatojayos Brand sending Palpatine's soul to the Force afterlife. The Jedi are literally the founding myths of the New Republic, and for them to turn against the Jedi while trying to talk shop with the Vong makes no fucking sense to anyone with a working grasp of history. As in, these books only make sense for people whose historical knowledge is about as deep as someone who thinks that America's first president was George Washington Carver.

That is basically the whole story of the New Jedi Order books; the idea that your democracy will fail you and you'll need the help of tinfoil dictators to hold back an evil that was way worse than the one you freed the galaxy from. Truly, it's a story that respects Star Wars' movies and the narrative that the OT stood for, am I right? The New Republic that the heroes fight so hard to establish, through countless novels, comics, games, and the OT films, all that pain, all that drama, all that blood shed to bring the New Republic as a continuation of the Old, and it basically fails them at the hour of need, to the point where it's the fucking Empire that stood with the heroes from the start against the Vong.

Then we get to Legacy of the Force, where once again, Space Democracy fails to stop a completely avoidable war between soldiers of a democracy, showing once again that Palpatine was right about these local powers being untrustworthy to have such autonomy-which again, goes against the very narrative of the OT.

Then you have the Legacy comics, where Space Democracy dies its final death as even the Galactic Alliance, or what's left of it, becomes a military space junta that no longer holds elections and just takes orders from some Duros admiral. So basically, the Alliance ends the story in the same way the Empire does; as a military autocracy that no longer takes heed from what the people want. No elections, no senate, no nothing. Just an Empire and an Alliance, both of whom are military dictatorships, and some unelected Jedi making all the decisions for the galaxy.

Shit, no wonder Lucas keeps flip-flopping on the books. One moment he recognizes them as canon, the next, he doesn't. One moment he says that he's entrusting all these stories to Kathleen Kennedy for safekeeping, the next, he says that Star Wars to him ends in ROTJ and Luke doesn't get married. NJO and everything that came after it practically shat all over the happy ending he set up in ROTJ. At least with the KOTOR comics and games, they wait several centuries between the Jedi/Sith wars.

And of course, you can't refute a single point I've said, because each and every one of them is fucking true. The last time you tried to refute me, you got humiliated and switched the topic, because you're a whiny bitch who can't argue for shit.

Go back to the main thread where people pat you on the ass for being a book sperg who can't even tell how each book has contrasting themes and how they utterly fuck with Star Wars' central narrative. (Democracy good, Fasicsm bad)
 
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I already proved that these books were written by people who barely understood the movies
>"I've admitted to having never read these books, but let me prove why they're wrong"

And you expect anyone to take anything you say in your novella-sized spergposts seriously? Lol.

This is why people are laughing at you, both here and in the main thread. Because instead of accepting that you got called out for having zero actual knowledge about what you're talking about, you have to double down and pinch out some butt-hurt screed that only showcases even more evidence that you haven't read shit.

You do this in every thread you go to, and it will never not be funny.
 
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>"I've admitted to having never read these books, but let me prove why they're wrong"

And you expect anyone to take anything you say in your novella-sized spergposts seriously? Lol.
All I hear is "WAAAAAA! I CAN'T ARGUE FOR SHIT SO I'LL GO FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS!"

Come on, kid. If you've read all these books, why don't you cite them and disprove my arguments? Certainly, you'd have plenty of lore to draw from to prove me wrong.

Oh, wait, that's right, the last time you cited one, you proved that these authors understand Star Wars about as much as Disney Star Wars does! XD

All this whining about how NJO was so much better than the Sequels, and yet the example you chose is written by someone who understands the original SW movie less than Jar Jar Abrams does! XD

If anything, you're just proving the title of this thread to be poignant; SWEU fans and cultists-you are one. And yes, I am a fan of the old EU, but I can at least tell when it's going wrong, like when the Legacy comics celebrated an ending that heralded the death of democracy, or when Drew Karpyshyn shat all over Revan, a character he shaped. I'm a fan of the old EU who can enjoy parts of it but also call it out when it does something stupid, (like say, pit Tarkin against Vader when the two are supposed to be friends). You, on the other hand, just blindly salivate over everything as if it didn't have massive plot holes and problems that led to Lucas disavowing most of it and publicly stating that ROTJ is where Star Wars ended for him.

If you're going to follow me all the way to this thread, the least you can do is have some fucking arguments ready to go. All this whining about how I only go surface-level with the lore, and I happen to put in more of the lore here than you did.
 
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All I hear is "WAAAAAA! I CAN'T ARGUE FOR SHIT SO I'LL GO FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS!"
Pointing out that you haven't read any of the books you're sperging about isn't a personal attack. It's a truth you yourself admitted for the whole forum to see. But given how embarrassing it is, I can see why you'd feel it's a personal attack.

And if you think I'm the one who has to prove what I've read, then you haven't read the in-depth coverage I did on the sequels to NJO, all of which are littered with direct references to those earlier books in exhaustive detail. But given that you can't even muster the attention span to actually read the books you claim to be a fan of, so I doubt you read those posts either.

So you'll forgive me if the idea of you debating books you haven't even read is enough to shatter my rib cage with laughter.

And yes, I am a fan of the old EU
...No, you're a fan of what you've read in Wookiepedia articles and secondhand information, not any of the actual material that you're self-admittedly too lazy to read.
 
Pointing out that you haven't read any of the books you're sperging about isn't a personal attack.
No, it is a personal attack, since you didn't even address the points I made.

And if you think I'm the one who has to prove what I've read, then you haven't read the in-depth coverage I did on the sequels to NJO, all of which are littered with direct references to those earlier books in exhaustive detail.
You still can't prove my points wrong. So as far as I can tell, you're just a blind fanboy who can't argue for shit. Last time you tried arguing with me, you humiliated yourself to the point where I found out that you barely even give a shit about the OT films. To the point where you forgot key plot elements like the Force being necessary to destroy the Death Star, all because some two-bit author had Han Solo uncharacteristically claim that any idiot can blow up Imperial superweapons, when even he tells Luke that his shot was, and I quote, "one in a million".

...No, you're a fan of what you've read in Wookiepedia articles and secondhand information, not any of the actual material that you're self-admittedly too lazy to read.
Says the guy who knows so little of the Sith that he thought Nom Anor plotting and planning was something that the "shonen" Sith in the EU didn't do. Obviously, the only thing you know about Sith like Naga Sadow and Exar Kun is from Wookieepedia, especially since you missed the part where like Nom Anor, they played politics and tried to manipulate people to do their will, before they started using OP Sith powers.

In fact, they usually relied on plots and schemes first, and only used OP Sith powers as a last-ditch resort, when everything was falling apart.

So again, if you're talking about people who only get their info from Wookieepedia, it seems that you ought to remove the plank from your eye before removing the speck from mine.
 
I addressed the only thing that matters. That you haven't read anything.
False. All that reading doesn't matter for shit if you can't use what you've read in a debate. In a real debate, it doesn't matter if you read the entirety of Denis Diderot's Encyclopedia or the last 50 issues of the New York Times, if you can't disprove the points raised by the other side, then nothing you've read matters in the slightest.

The same can be said for you when talking about things like the Sith-you obviously just spent 5 minutes in Wookieepedia for it. That, and again, you didn't counter any points I made, which goes to show that for all your reading, you can't come up with legitimate arguments. Your sole argument only served to show your ignorance of the original movies.

Then again, expecting someone like you to know how debates work is already expecting too much. It's like expecting a gorilla to be able to type out a Bible. I put way too much faith in you, expecting you to bring out more examples from the novels to prove me wrong. You can't, because my points are correct, and you know it. So you switch to personal attacks because like anyone who's lost, you have to shift the goalposts. You can just tap out anytime and admit you're wrong, but you don't, because you're too proud.

Come on, then. I'm right here. Prove me wrong about the Vong, the New Republic, and the Empire. I'm waiting.

Edit: No response? Well, I'm going to sleep now. Be back in 4-8 hours.
 
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So to distract from the above fight, I have started reading the NJO series. Having not read much of the post OT books but at least knowing some of the events that took place, I do have some interesting points to bring up regarding the first book, Vector Prime.

  • I find it weird that one crisis between the planets Osarian and Rhommamool is so important that it threatens the stability of the New Republic. Perhaps the crisis is important as a political test for the New Republic’s legitimacy?
  • The make up of the New Republic members that Luke meets with were representatives of the core worlds and some of the alien species that sided with the rebels. I could see this making some planets wary to join the New Republic as it just looks like the NR is the core worlds and the friends of the rebels.
  • With the benefit of the prequels, I can see the wariness of the NR to embrace the Jedi as an unconscious fear due to Imperial propaganda. A belief that the Jedi were responsible in some capacity for the rise of the empire, that they had too much political power.
  • I really do like the Yuuzhan Vong. They are truly alien in their depiction and I’m a fan biotechnology. The ritual scarification gives them a certain revulsion as being inhuman.
 
With the benefit of the prequels, I can see the wariness of the NR to embrace the Jedi as an unconscious fear due to Imperial propaganda. A belief that the Jedi were responsible in some capacity for the rise of the empire, that they had too much political power.
That's the one thing I'll disagree with you on, with all due respect. If anything, remember how the people of the Empire idolized Palpatine because they thought he brought an end to the Clone Wars and "saved" the galaxy from the Jedi uprising? That was just because of Imperial propaganda and good PR. Palpatine was still a massive piece of shit during the Clone Wars; the right PR guys just spun his actions as good.

Meanwhile, the Jedi legit saved the galaxy from Palpatine, Thrawn, and other Imperial threats multiple times. It is through their actions that the New Republic even had a snowball's chance in hell of existing. If anything, there should be a cult of personality around the Jedi, whether the Jedi and New Republic wanted there to be one or not. They should react to the Jedi the way the French react to Joan of Arc; or the way the English back in the Middle Ages reacted to Alfred the Great and Richard the Lionheart. And even with the aliens that eventually sided with Borsk, they should adore the Jedi because the Jedi defeated a humanocentric Empire that enslaved and brutalized aliens.

Palpatine only claimed to save the galaxy and got worshiped as a result. The Jedi legit saving the galaxy from the Empire should've made them the kind of heroes that the New Republic would stand by until the end.

I really do like the Yuuzhan Vong. They are truly alien in their depiction and I’m a fan biotechnology. The ritual scarification gives them a certain revulsion as being inhuman.
Ditto. I like the Vong as a concept and as a threat; how the books handled the war against them, however, is where I got pissed off. Making the New Republic dumb as fuck just so the Vong could be a threat shows bad writing. Especially when the pathetic Imperial remnant was able to hold back the Vong and force them to retreat; if the New Republic fought that hard from the start, the book series would probably be cut down to like what, four? Five?

If your story only works because one of the major factions happens to be uncharacteristically stupid, then I'd say you'd need to go back to the drawing board.
 
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How could you get pissed off about how the books handled them if you've never read them?
I read enough of them to know. Then I read summaries online after I put them down.

And again, try debating my actual points about why I thought NJO sucks. If you actually read these books, then surely, you'd know how to debunk me, right? If not, then you're another poser who's guilty of the same things you accuse me of.
 
A question for the ages.
And yet despite you reading all these books, you can't disprove the points I raised. Which goes to show how useless you are in an actual debate. It's like, you can't even debate at a high school level, let alone at an adult level, which goes to show me how mature you really are.

Once again, I'm right here. Prove me wrong about the Vong, the New Republic, and the Empire. I'm waiting.

Surely, someone who's read so much wouldn't have such problems disproving someone who barely read the outlines, am I right? I'm waiting for you to disprove my arguments.
 
I read enough of them to know. Then I read summaries online after I put them down.

And again, try debating my actual points. If you actually read these books, then surely, you'd know how to debunk me, right?
The Vong sent a third rate fleet with a fourth rate commander against the Empire because they thought it was too small and weak to send the first or even second team. This was after Ebaq 9 when the Vong attacked a bunch of smaller powers like the Yevetha and Ssi-Ruuk because Shimrra was chimping out. The Vong commander is explicitly portrayed as a stupid brute who can barely get his bioengineered shoes to tie themselves

Can you please not shit up this thread like you have the other one
 
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