Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

[Emperor Julian]

There is a TON of EU material.

I was actually okay with Disney not counting the EU towards their own canon because holy shit! How can any director keep continuity with all of that?

Because the EU is so large, it's quality goes all over the place. Some of it is awesome (Thrawn Trilogy), some of it very good (Most Old Republic material), some of it solid (Han Solo Trilogy), some of it only average (some of the movie novelizations), some of it TERRIBLE (The Crystal Star), and some of it so bad it's hilarious (The Jedi Prince Series). And some of it was so messy, it felt like some kind of insanity test (Jedi Academy Trilogy).

Overall, I have more fond memories of the EU than I do most of the movies post ROTJ. Good or bad, they gave me more Star Wars and in creative, experimental, and some times epic ways.

Dark Empire was a highlight for me but the Yuzan vong and the 2nd galactic civil was where a real ordeal. On reflection by about the Legacy of the Jedi the Galaxy should be anarchic ruined shithole after 40 years of apocalyptic wars and a total lack of unified effective goverment.


Also who the fuck would put Daala in charge of shit? She's bassically Zoe quinn in space.

Their was also the issue that they overstayed their welcome and started making the origional films retroactively worse, it occurs to me the new films are bassically re-enacting the EU at a far increased rate since it hasnt really been able to slow the rot with stuff like thr Thrawn trilogy and Tales of the jedi. Where it's not only shit but retractively making things worse. Their's also the fun side affect that the fandom is now bitterly divided and villanized in the media, not only have the new films made the origional movies retroactively shitter like the EU did but they've also made the world a little shittier.

 

[HeyYou]

I liked Legacy of the Force in concept, and weirdly enough the political drama was the most compelling part. It had a lot more misses than hits but I still prefer it as a fucked up representation of the galaxy over the sequels, considering in the old EU the galaxy had been war-torn for forty years. The sequel trilogy never really earns its dire circumstances. Also the idea that the Empire was actually a small faction in the Second Galactic Civil War and not remotely as evil as they used to be and instead the main conflict had nothing to do with the original Galactic Civil War was interesting. Considering the New Republic is the dominant power, it doesn't exactly make sense to call it a Civil War if it was Empire vs Rebels again, they're two distinct powers at that point. I also thought that Jacen made for an interesting Sith with an interesting philosophy. He was a lot like Revan but quite different at the same time, and Jacen was at least shown to be doing nasty things instead of wanked off like Revan has a tendency to be. It was really cool that the same thing made Jacen and Anakin fall too: a Force vision they're trying to prevent. Jacen just happened to be a lot more concerned with the overall picture.

If I were to have done the sequel trilogy, I probably would have just adapted LotF, same characters and all, and cut out the bullshit.

 

[BF 388]

Dark Empire was a highlight for me but the Yuzan vong and the 2nd galactic civil was where a real ordeal. On reflection by about the Legacy of the Jedi the Galaxy should be anarchic ruined shithole after 40 years of apocalyptic wars and a total lack of unified effective goverment.


Also who the fuck would put Daala in charge of shit? She's bassically Zoe quinn in space.

Their was also the issue that they overstayed their welcome and started making the origional films retroactively worse, it occurs to me the new films are bassically re-enacting the EU at a far increased rate since it hasnt really been able to slow the rot with stuff like thr Thrawn trilogy and Tales of the jedi. Where it's not only shit but retractively making things worse. Their's also the fun side affect that the fandom is now bitterly divided and villanized in the media, not only have the new films made the origional movies retroactively shitter like the EU did but they've also made the world a little shittier.

The EU, at the time of its end was a total edge lordy trash mess.

I’m glad it’s dead.

 

[Emperor Julian]

The EU, at the time of its end was a total edge lordy trash mess.

I’m glad it’s dead.

Their's a story in the EU that a background character in Empire strikes back is secretly in charge of the death star and is gonna run the galaxy once the Empire wins Endor because uploaded his robot brain into the computer and no once noticed. Not even the Emperor or Vader.

Also this:

Disneys failure is that they shot their retarded adopted child and then proceeded to raise their own failure in it's place....but threw a couple of billion dollars down the loo and called the fans cunts to boot.

 

[qu_rahn]

There were a lot of over the top ideas in the EU but there were enough gems to make it worthwhile imo, like the maw & the Kessel run

 

[BF 388]

Oh yes, IG-88 closing doors in Sheevs face hurr hurr so funny.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

Jaina an' Tahiri were mai waifus.

 

[HeyYou]

The EU, at the time of its end was a total edge lordy trash mess.

I’m glad it’s dead.

Why? Legacy had long gotten much more positive, Fate of the Jedi wasn't really edgy at all, and most of the novels published before the buy out were interesting stuff like Mara's time in the Empire, her and Luke's early married days, and Han's backstory.

I'm not sure how you can be glad the EU is dead when Disney's EU was what replaced it.

The Solos were absurdly attractive, Jacen was a definitely a pretty boy on the Japanese covers.

I always thought Darth Caedus's armor was dope too.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Mark looks tired and bored next to those throng of complete strangers. Strangely prophetic.

While Jacens armour is amazing, the man has no talent for subterfuge.

 

[HeyYou]

His armor is a good example of "just because it's after the OT and the galaxy is shitty doesn't mean that you need to overcompensate and make the armor look simultaneously impractical and overdesigned to surpass the OT while still looking like it was cobbled together" like the Knights of Ren. Why their armor looks like it does is anyone's guess, meanwhile Jacen's outfit is a practical combination of Sith and military junta uniform.

 

[Emperor Julian]

His armor is a good example of "just because it's after the OT and the galaxy is shitty doesn't mean that you need to overcompensate and make the armor look simultaneously impractical and overdesigned to surpass the OT while still looking like it was cobbled together" like the Knights of Ren. Why their armor looks like it does is anyone's guess, meanwhile Jacen's outfit is a practical combination of Sith and military junta uniform.

He should probably avoid looking like he's going to open up on the crowd though as I recall he was still pretending not to be a sith lord here.

Still I really like the Armour.

 

[HeyYou]

He should probably avoid looking like he's going to open up on the crowd though as I recall he was still pretending not to be a sith lord here.

Still I really like the Armour.

Outside of the fact that they all knew he was insane and doing shitty things and he wasn't really trying to hide it (remember that he had an arrest warrant out for his parents during the funeral) the actual armor underneath the cloak was the Galactic Alliance Guard uniform, I think. He had long made it clear that he was focusing on his political career over being a Jedi, so his uniform wasn't too odd.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

OK, I'm just gonna say it: Boba Fett is the most overrated character ever. The only did two things in the movies:

1- He half-assed the very mission he was hired for (Vader ended up capturing Han Solo himself). He only transported Han Solo from the cloud city to Jaba's palace.

2- He died pathetic death. The "best mercenary in the galaxy" gets killed by a blind man... -__-

Why did he become so popular? Why did he attract so much attention when he basically did nothing of relevance, nor was his character explained or explored. I mean, yeah, he's cool looking... I guess? (Having a rocket strapped to your back doesn't exactly give you a tactical advantage for stealth based missions. Think of the physics involved in using a proyectile explosive). My brain will never understand. Heck, even the Ewoks had more screen time than Boba Fett.

So, I don't get why latch on to EU stories. It's just a bunch of books/stories. Why pour so much effort into something that is just fiction and owned by a private company? I find it to be as pointless, non productive, irrelevant, childish, and boring as console wars. It's just a space fantasy franchise, you know. Imagine if people poured the same amount of dedication to other things such as learning to play an instrument, or learning a foreign language or something else.

Side note: I still have to remind myself that, in this topic, "EU" stands for Expanded Universe. Not European Union. Lol =D

People latched onto Boba Fett because of the potential-the idea that some guy is just tooling around the galaxy as some kind of self-employed mercenary, capturing or killing whomever he wanted while wearing a set of dope-ass armor. A guy who answers to no man save for whomever paid him the best. The idea was stronger than the man himself, since at most, Boba Fett was a mauve-shirt who didn't do much in the films. Lucasarts, recognizing the potential for this, made a shit ton of stories about him, and George Lucas' favorite SW comic, Dark Empire, even brought him back from the dead to menace/interact with the heroes. Lucas himself also saw the potential, hence why he had the Clone Troopers who would one day become Stormtroopers be made into clone descendants of Boba Fett's "father" Jango Fett, and he gave Jango Fett an expanded role in the films, even though he also died like a tool at the hands of a Jedi. Must be Lucas' way of creating the pecking order. "Mandalorians/bounty hunters can be cool, but the Jedi are the coolest."

Funny that you mentioned learning a foreign language. Mandalorian fans memorized their own language (Mando'a) from the works of Karen Traviss. I even heard at one point that if you join a Mandalorian circle, they speak nothing but Mando'a and you cannot talk to them in English or any other language. They're that devoted to their space fantasy. I consider myself a Star Wars super-fan, and even I find that excessive, especially since I'm currently working towards mastering the Latin and Chinese languages instead.

 

[FaramirG]

Why? Legacy had long gotten much more positive, Fate of the Jedi wasn't really edgy at all, and most of the novels published before the buy out were interesting stuff like Mara's time in the Empire, her and Luke's early married days, and Han's backstory.

I'm not sure how you can be glad the EU is dead when Disney's EU was what replaced it.

The Solos were absurdly attractive, Jacen was a definitely a pretty boy on the Japanese covers.

I always thought Darth Caedus's armor was dope too.

I couldn't stand Jacen's Vader LARPing in Legacy. I kind of understand what they were going for, but when you have Jacen basically time travelling back to Anakin's attack on the Jedi Temple, wearing Vader-style armor, force choking his subordinates on a Star Destroyer, and doing evil things to protect his secret wife+child, you've gone from "interesting parallels" to "lazy hackery".

 

[JonIrenicus]

I gave up on the EU around the Vong shit. I just couldn't get past how this grim dark space orc race felt so out of place in the SW universe and everything was just miserable all the time.

That said, I don't think Disney has done much better, but thank the lord Force Unleashed isn't canon, good fun or not you cannot excuse that main character, worse of God sue than Rey.

If there is one EU book I'd choose for canonizing it would be Shadows of the Empire, looks like it's been mostly contradicted now, but at least Rendar's ship is canon

Also I remember reading in old SW forums that Lucas intervened in the EU when they tried to bring in that Vergere character who didn't believe in light and dark side. He apparently hated this and made the authors retcon her to a Sith. And the reason why KOTOR 2 got away with similar themes was because Lucas was focused on the prequels. Wish I had an archive of that so take what you will.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I gave up on the EU around the Vong shit. I just couldn't get past how this grim dark space orc race felt so out of place in the SW universe and everything was just miserable all the time.

That said, I don't think Disney has done much better, but thank the lord Force Unleashed isn't canon, good fun or not you cannot excuse that main character, worse of God sue than Rey.

It's one of the big problems with trying to keep the setting going, for their to be stories their has to be conflict on an epic scale, this is eventually going to get depressing as 30+ years of perpetual galactic scale conflict takes its toll. Yuzan vong were a logical conclusion of the story as years of crushing defeats robbed the Empire of any clout despite the lack of stability for the Republic but you can't just wrap it up because it's too hard to write write Star Peace-the stabalization of the Republic well.

The Disney shit show had the problems of EU in overdrive. Pretty much all the writting problems combined with a total unwillingness to advance the plot or the characters, it managed to get to legacy of the force tier shit in record time. For all the talk about how they changed with the times the new stars wars' are incredably stagnent in terms of setting.

Thinking of it having Luke sulk in a shed for decades is a perfect metaphor for the Disney setting,

Both settings would have benifited greatly from developing the 30 year gap and introducting a new conflict which expands on the universe and comes at it from a new angle. Their's a reason heir to Empire is one of the better EU series as it works with the settings progress rather than against it.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Also I remember reading in old SW forums that Lucas intervened in the EU when they tried to bring in that Vergere character who didn't believe in light and dark side. He apparently hated this and made the authors retcon her to a Sith. And the reason why KOTOR 2 got away with similar themes was because Lucas was focused on the prequels. Wish I had an archive of that so take what you will.

Didn't George admit that despite signing off on most of the EU stuff and laying out some basic ground rules (like not killing the regulars), basically nothing that happened in the post-Return of the Jedi EU represented his vision for Star Wars?

At any rate, EU spergs had an interesting relationship with George back in the day. I remember when The Clone Wars first came out, they were apoplectic with rage at George for all the canon contradictions he introduced with that show and it was the worst thing ever, but then when it got cancelled after the Disney sale, suddenly he was their hero and The Clone Wars was the greatest thing ever.

 

[HeyYou]

Didn't George admit that despite signing off on most of the EU stuff and laying out some basic ground rules (like not killing the regulars), basically nothing that happened in the post-Return of the Jedi EU represented his vision for Star Wars?

At any rate, EU spergs had an interesting relationship with George back in the day. I remember when The Clone Wars first came out, they were apoplectic with rage at George for all the canon contradictions he introduced with that show and it was the worst thing ever, but then when it got cancelled after the Disney sale, suddenly he was their hero and The Clone Wars was the greatest thing ever.

I think you're either mixing up two groups of Star Wars fans or forgetting that many fans were in the middle: hated some of the contradictions but were used to it because it happened all the time in the EU and still liked the show.

 

[TheImportantFart]

I think you're either mixing up two groups of Star Wars fans or forgetting that many fans were in the middle: hated some of the contradictions but were used to it because it happened all the time in the EU and still liked the show.

The prevailing opinion on the internet when the show came out (at least in the circles I moved in) and then after the Disney sale seemed to be what I described above. If you said you liked Clone Wars when it first came out, you were treated like the kid at school who still hadn't grown out of Barney, but once it was cancelled, if you said "Good riddance", you were treated like some sort of pariah.

It could just be because the show got better as it went along (although I still don't much care for it), but I found the 180 quite amusing.

 

[HeyYou]

The prevailing opinion on the internet when the show came out (at least in the circles I moved in) and then after the Disney sale seemed to be what I described above. If you said you liked Clone Wars when it first came out, you were treated like the kid at school who still hadn't grown out of Barney, but once it was cancelled, if you said "Good riddance", you were treated like some sort of pariah.

It could just be because the show got better as it went along (although I still don't much care for it), but I found the 180 quite amusing.

It's really because it got better. I remember when the movie came out (which was really just the pilot arc arranged into a movie) and it sucked. Then the first two seasons were pretty much kiddie shit with what people saw as bullshit at the time (Anakin has a padawan, seriously?) Then it became more serious and the writing got much better. Still, there was a contingent of the fans throughout the show's run that always hated it and a contingent of fans who always liked it.