Starfield - Bethesda's new space IP: will probably be full of fun and easily trackable bugs

[Gravityqueen4life]

BG3 is the kind of RPG you dreamed was possible as a kid. A rich fantasy adventure with the freedom of a D&D campaign—it feels like you can be whoever you want to be and do whatever you want to do, and the world will always be one step ahead of you with a clever and surprising reaction.

On the face of it, Starfield's pitch is even more the stuff of childhood daydreams: an RPG where you can jump in a spaceship, fly anywhere in the galaxy, and set foot on hundreds of different planets. A hugely ambitious prospect—but if any studio has the resources and the experience to make something so enormous, it should be Bethesda. What we've got in Starfield, however, is an oddly bland and compromised version of that idea—and where Baldur's Gate 3 is a huge step forward, Starfield feels deeply stuck in the genre's past.

https://www.pcgamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-ruined-starfield-for-me/

imagine that. holding games to a certain standard, ruins the experience of other games for simply not being good.

starsisters, we got too cookey.

 

[Would]

You're not alone in thinking that; I also had that exact same realisation a few days ago. Feels surreal seeing Joe have to quote tweet it and parade on twitter at someone getting overly angry at something in a video game, when he authored the infamous "I HAVE SEVEN DOLLARS IN MY WALLET EA" video because Battlefield 4 crashed while he was playing it.

Not to mention his claim to fame was ranting about Madden like EA had raped his family, when in reality all they did was demand 2 bucks for a uniform color swap.

Is there a good alternative? I know ModDB also said they'd take down an anti pride flag mod if it was uploaded, and I can't think of any other major modding site.

Basedmods
Some mods reach cringe, but the no fag flag Spidey mod is there alongside the great nigger purge and the tumblr-unmaker for Starfield.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

You're not alone in thinking that; I also had that exact same realisation a few days ago. Feels surreal seeing Joe have to quote tweet it and parade on twitter at someone getting overly angry at something in a video game, when he authored the infamous "I HAVE SEVEN DOLLARS IN MY WALLET EA" video because Battlefield 4 crashed while he was playing it.

he also went on a long rage rant about Nintendo demonetizing his Nintendo videos on the Wii-u (the very same Wii-u his fans bought for him) which made him stop making any more reviews on Nintendo games.

 

[Kharash]

You're not alone in thinking that; I also had that exact same realisation a few days ago. Feels surreal seeing Joe have to quote tweet it and parade on twitter at someone getting overly angry at something in a video game, when he authored the infamous "I HAVE SEVEN DOLLARS IN MY WALLET EA" video because Battlefield 4 crashed while he was playing it.

Is there a good alternative? I know ModDB also said they'd take down an anti pride flag mod if it was uploaded, and I can't think of any other major modding site.

That's why a lot of people are standing up for Az, they see right through these double standards even if they don't care for his content. Even on this site you see people asking "why would anyone defend this retard?" It's not so much about him as it is the people attacking him. As soon as anyone shows any emotion, even though he's probably hamming it up for the camera much like Angry Joe, they all jump on it like they smell blood in the water. Despite they themselves being perpetually offended by anything. It's low hanging fruit and it's so obvious to anyone who has been on the internet for a while.
It's a real sign of the modern world where no one can be sincere, we all have to hide behind a mask of irony.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Starfield as ugly as Forspoken or uglier?

 

[Kharash]

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https://www.pcgamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-ruined-starfield-for-me/

imagine that. holding games to a certain standard, ruins the experience of other games for simply not being good.

starsisters, we got too cookey.

The funny thing is that Bethesda games have always been like this, especially since Oblivion where they removed any requirements for joining factions. The dialogue has always been shit, the quest options were always lacking even in Morrowind where you were lucky to get a binary choice. But at least in Morrowind your character was still somewhat defined by what factions you joined and there was always the murderhobo solution to any quest. Only Fallout fell somewhat out of this norm and what did Bethesda do when they gave the player options? You play either Apocalypse Jesus or a comically evil dude who punches babies. That's the extent of Bethesda roleplaying.

Bethesda don't want you to roleplay, they want you to experience all content in their sandbox with a single character. Nothing proves this more than Starfield being built around NG+
Can you imagine finishing an RPG and instead of going with a brand new character with a different skillset so you can experience the game an entirely different way you just replay it with the same character? Truly nothing could show that Bethesda don't understand RPGs more than this.

 

[Miller]

Haven't played the game yet since I haven't had access to my PC. Usually don't mind Todd slop - the writing's never great but there's some good nuggets in there and I find the gameplay loop to be absorbing enough - but all the footage I've seen of this game makes it seem lifeless.

Starfield is one of the rare new games to not be Twitch/streamer bait, so it's quite boring to watch.

 

[CarlosDanger]

The game just feels so disjointed to me. In past Bethesda games you always were wandering around looking at ruins or towns in the distance and wanting to go and see what was going on. So far in Starfield you land on a planet, see there is a town, mining operation, you see a few "unknown" points of interest and you walk to them and a lot of times it is just a small cave with some resources in it and nothing else.

 

[Rockzo]

The game just feels so disjointed to me. In past Bethesda games you always were wandering around looking at ruins or towns in the distance and wanting to go and see what was going on. So far in Starfield you land on a planet, see there is a town, mining operation, you see a few "unknown" points of interest and you walk to them and a lot of times it is just a small cave with some resources in it and nothing else.

The credits are 44 minutes long.
To put that in perspective. Skyrim had maybe 100 developers work on it, throw in the publisher and voice acting credits, it comes to about 15 minutes. Starfield has 500 people working on it at Bethesda alone, not including the publishing side. Then there's the almost 30 studios where work was passed out too that also get credited. Why it feels so bland is there are thousands of cooks in the kitchen.

There's this one place in Skyrim that sticks out to me, Valtheim Towers east of Whiterun.

Now for Skyrim, some people will probably head east first to Riften, as the Dawnguard start and the steps to High Hrothgar is also over there. The road passes by not alot of places. So a dev put this in, two generic towers, a bridge in the middle and suddenly bandit camp. The archers are a pain to deal with and it is a challange for a low level dragon born.
I bring this up because a developer at Bethesda probably walked from Whiterun to Riften and didn't encounter many bandit camps or harassment areas. So why not put a checkpoint on the road for people to go through, otherwise they have to head north through Dawnstar, South through Helgan and Trolls or through Valtheim and archer bandits.
This little personal touch is a developer challenging the player. I haven't seen any personal details like that in Starfield.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The credits are 44 minutes long.

Okay, I'm not crazy.

I let it run cause I wanted to look at some of the voice actors, and figured it looped like 3 or 4 times while I was cleaning up while it was going on.

I actually *didn't* let it finish because I finally spotted the voice cast pop up and quit after that because I didn't want to go through a 10 minute *loop* again. (or so I thought)

 

[ZMOT]

And before anyway says it, I'm well aware of what kind of crowd of people this guy hangs out with. They all effectively do the exact same thing from time to time. Worse yet, they continue to financially support the very thing they claim to hate.

e;r is running his star wars "critique" off some chink bootleg, he even makes fun once or twice about his "totally bought copy". drinker doesn't review half the shit anymore because he's so over it and that it's not worth anyone's time or money. and he probably figured he doesn't even need to watch it to shit on guaranteed slop.

"financial support" is also as meaningless as "vote with your wallet" when there's a horde of niggercattle gladly paying for it anyway. and if you really wanna go with that metric, it's basically inverse marketing: "lol he is paying for a copy to produce a review that is losing us sales, what a retard", which sounds like a fitting clown world notion. hey, buzz and engagement is everything these days, who cares about positive or negative and what it leads to? any PR is good PR for smoothbrains.

Fucking hell, does no one at Beth do background checks or see what their activity was like at the nexus? Dark0ne must've sucked Todd off in an all-expense-paid trip to the Ritz because there's no way anyone sees Elianora's mods and puts them on the same level as GrilledTurkey or HcG x Grill, who IIRC also got jobs at Bethesda. Elianora's mods are basic bitch modelling that anyone with Maya and 12-30 hours to spare can learn. Good enough for free mods, but nowhere near enough to consider yourself ready for the big leagues.

I haven't heard of a popular fan site fucking up this bad since GTAForums and R*, lmao.

they do, but merit doesn't matter anymore. you either have activists bringing in their butt-buddies to slide the company more left, or you have good-hearted but retarded normalfags that have surface knowledge of all the woke shit and naively believe the "poor oppressed minority" stick they sell themselves as.
add legally required quotas and other "incentives" like ESG and it's easy to understand why shit like that sticks.

that being said it takes a truly new level of insufferable to get kicked out with all the DEI protections and current year climate that companies rather take a hit and bad PR than suffer more of those dipshits (like that troon zenimax literally paid to finally fuck off for good). not to mention how it poisons the well for anyone else of that camp.

just like certain demographics, easiest way to turn someone into a racist is make them live near them.

The credits are 44 minutes long.
To put that in perspective. Skyrim had maybe 100 developers work on it, throw in the publisher and voice acting credits, it comes to about 15 minutes. Starfield has 500 people working on it at Bethesda alone, not including the publishing side. Then there's the almost 30 studios where work was passed out too that also get credited. Why it feels so bland is there are thousands of cooks in the kitchen.
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lol, hello games is still what, less then 20 people? empyrion probably has even less.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Unironically Skyrim was only good because of the limitations of the Xbox 360 and PS3; it forced them to condense the map, which made for fun and consistent exploration, same could be said of both fallouts from that gen.

 

[Sniperwoof]

Why do I have to get on my spaceship, endure 3+ loading screens, and then go to a tiny planet with no loot, quests, random encounters, or enemies just to scan some resources nodes and then go through three more loading screen to get back to New Atlantis?

Why can't I leave the city and then have an npc be like 'Help spaceborn bandits have taken over the space iron mine!"

And then you have a brief quest to kill the bandits and you can collect the same iron ore that you had to fly all the way out to some barren lifeless rock to collect?

That's how shit worked in Skyrim and it was fine and ten times less annoying.

This game is somehow incredibly boring and extremely over complicated at the same time.

 

[derpherp2]

Why do I have to get on my spaceship, endure 3+ loading screens, and then go to a tiny planet with no loot, quests, random encounters, or enemies just to scan some resources nodes and then go through three more loading screen to get back to New Atlantis?

Why can't I leave the city and then have an npc be like 'Help spaceborn bandits have taken over the space iron mine!"

And then you have a brief quest to kill the bandits and you can collect the same iron ore that you had to fly all the way out to some barren lifeless rock to collect?

That's how shit worked in Skyrim and it was fine and ten times less annoying.

This game is somehow incredibly boring and extremely over complicated at the same time.

They really need to streamline space travel it's so surreal how disassociated an entirely new game is to the actual gamee.

 

[Jasper2K]

It's pretty sad when kiwifarms is the only place you can have any sort of discourse about starfield without a bunch of zealots jumping down your throat. We all wanted the game to be good, be a 10/10 or a 9/10 it just simply isn't.

 

[TheArtilleryman]

So far I'm enjoying it when it works, it's like what I wanted Outer Worlds to be. Unfortunately it only works seldomly. Audio cuts, choppiness, mouths not synced, freezing, frame drops, it's a pain in the ass. I look forward to when they finish it.

Also I immediately hated The Constellation. Where are the bad ending guys at? I'd like to talk to them instead.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

It's pretty sad when kiwifarms is the only place you can have any sort of discourse about starfield without a bunch of zealots jumping down your throat. We all wanted the game to be good, be a 10/10 or a 9/10 it just simply isn't.

Well, to be fair, KF tends to favor cynical and negative discussions about modern products. That's not to say you don't find any positivity or anticipation for a product being good, just that we seem to naturally incline more towards jaded cynicism rather than hopeful optimism.

The real benefit to KF in my opinion, is the nature of the board. Its a forum, not a twitter. People here are here for discussion and don't mind longer more thought out conversation and that allows for nuance. This is key because it means you can look at a deeply flawed product like Starfield, highlight that there are somethings in it that are really good, awesome even, but they're surrounded by a sea of shit and most people who read those thoughts can understand that and chip in on their own.

I mean shit its the reason I made a KF account anyway. I lurked here since like 2018 because I only knew the KF reputation. But during Rittenhouse I wanted to talk about the trial with people (because I didn't know anyone else who was watching) and this place seemed to be the only reasonable place to do so. Made an account and have been a nearly daily poster ever since.

 

[moocow]

Seriously what does a nigger have to do for a new and interesting scifi game to come out that doesnt bake in early access for a fucking decade

Play X4: Foundations (or X3:TC and X3:AP if you like it old school).

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

Play X4: Foundations (or X3:TC and X3:AP if you like it old school).

X4's pretty good these days.

 

[TVB]

Play X4: Foundations (or X3:TC and X3:AP if you like it old school).

X3 and 4 bring me back memories