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Oughtism said:
With the message:
"There are many genres of music - but only two genders!"
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Wish they said something more punchy and easy to understand like
"There are many ways to mutilate yourself, but inverting your penis is the most brutal!"
 
I've been addicted to reading this board for a year now.
It's amazing to me how people can end up so pigeonholed about things like gender and think this is going to solve all of their problems. People are so lazy that they would rather join a cult, take pills and get lobotomized by a group of yes-men than work to improve themselves. The concept of changing yourself has become easier than putting the real work in. Now instead of doing work and letting people see it, you just tell them what they should be seeing in you or it's a hate-crime.
And even when they manage to get what they want and are able to "pass" they are so unhappy about it. Nothing will ever be good enough, and it's everyone else's fault.

People think they can throw away all the expectations that come with being a man or a woman, when in reality they are just changing one set of expectations for another.
Assuming they can even be properly seen as the opposite gender, a failed transgender person is just the lowest of the low. You're just a creature that people validate out of pity.

Remember back when the moral of every movie was "it's okay to be yourself", what the hell happened to that? Is it transphobic to say you shouldn't try to be something you're not, become the best version of yourself and not be focused on what others think of you?
Do you think you are the opposite gender, or are you just an ugly person who jerks off to porn all day and now you think the only real kind of beauty is what you jerk off to?

How do you think that everyone should change their expectations of you based on what you tell them, and not think to yourself that you sound like an insane narcissist, have you heard of "show don't tell"?
If you are transgender you should seriously consider if you would still be one if you stopped comparing yourself to other people. Would you care about how pretty you are, what it means to be a "man" or a "woman" and if you should cut off your genitals if you lived in a cabin in the woods?
Or what about a world where everyone are "nonbinary", would you invent the idea of what you want people to expect from you and call that "man" or "woman", or would you just try to be yourself?

Changing your gender is not a brave act that shows others that you don't care what they think, it's just trying to appeal to a different sense of what you think others will find more palatable. You're only a failed man or woman because of the rules that you set up of what a man or a woman has to be, and you're still playing the same game.

But I guess truly not caring what people think is too scary of a thought, because it doesn't cause gender euphoria, it just seems to be the number one cause of people de-transitioning.

Anyway, thank you for all of the great threads.
 
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Dr. Marci Bowers, WPATH, and the Eunuch Archive

I'm not sure where else to put this, and perhaps another farmer has covered this but I think it worth bringing up. While searching for stories on the WPATH leaks, I came across a mumsnet page from last year discussing the time NHS Trust hosted a section of WPATH's SoC 8 (Standards of Care) that included a link to a castration fetish forum containing thousands of child-erotica stories.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens...ink-to-wpath-standards-of-care-on-its-website
Scrolling down, user ArabellaScott links a tweet by Dr. Marci Bowers, a troon and current President of WPATH, wherein a twitter user asked him why their latest guidelines would link to such a site. Dr. Bowers (birth name Mark) claims these are conspiracy conpsiracy theories and tells the questioner they ought to read the Bible. Bizarre. https://archive.ph/67Hrl | https://twitter.com/marcibdoc/status/1618441702506889216
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Yet this is not a conspiracy theory: https://reduxx.info/nhs-scotland-apologizes-for-eunuch-gender-identity-document-leak/
And looking at WPATH's own website their SoC 8 do in fact cite and link the Eunuch Archive on page 90 under Chapter 9 Eunuchs. Link (I couldn't get the archive to work.)
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"While there is a 4000-year history of eunuchs in society, the greatest wealth of information about contemporary eunuch-identified people is found within the large online peer-support community that congregates on sites such as the Eunuch Archive (www.eunuch.org), which was established in 1998. The moderators of this site attempt to maintain both medical and historical accuracy in its discussion forums, although there is certainly misinformation as well. According to the website, as of January 2022, there have been over 130,000 registered members from various parts of the world and frequently over 90% of those reading the site are “guests” rather than members. The website lists over 23,000 threads and nearly 220,000 posts. For example, two threads giving instructions for self-castration by injection of different toxins directly into the testicles have about 2,500 posts each, and each has been read well over one million times. Beginning in 2001, there have been 20 annual international gatherings of the Eunuch Archive community in Minneapolis in addition to many regional gatherings elsewhere."
 
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Gog & Magog said:
Dr. Marci Bowers, WPATH, and the Eunuch Archive

I'm not sure where else to put this, and perhaps another farmer has covered this but I think it worth bringing up. While searching for stories on the WPATH leaks, I came across a mumsnet page from last year discussing the time NHS Trust hosted a section of WPATH's SoC 8 (Standards of Care) that included a link to a castration fetish forum containing thousands of child-erotica stories.
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Cross-posting this article originally shared here (Thanks to @GloriousScarf ):


Children will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers at gender identity clinics, NHS England has confirmed.

Puberty blockers, which pause the physical changes of puberty such as breast development or facial hair, will now only be available to children as part of clinical research trials.
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I think this is pretty huge! If you recall, the original Nordic context only called for these drugs to be administered to children in research phases or trials. It never made sense as a first-line treatment for gender dysphoria.

Hopefully this is the beginning of the trend being 'rolled back' so to speak, in the broader Western world ideally not just the UK.
 
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"Finally some good news" on the Trans-Surgery hysteria front.
Pulitzer Prizewinning Sissy-Porn enthusiast Andrea Chu wrote a screed that condemns the over reliance on medical diagnosis to determine validity of trans identity and even throws Progressive Liberal allies under the bus in the process


The left must reckon with its part in this. It has hung trans rights on the thin peg of gender identity, a concept clumsily adapted from psychiatry and strongly influenced by both gender studies and the born-this-way tactics of the campaign for marriage equality. This has won us modest gains at the level of social acceptance. But we have largely failed to form a coherent moral account of why someone’s gender identity should justify the actual biological interventions that make up gender-affirming care. If gender really is an all-encompassing structure of social norms that produces the illusion of sex, critics ask, why would the affirmation of someone’s gender identity entail a change to their biology? As a result, advocates have fallen back on the clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, known until about a decade ago as gender identity disorder, defined as the distress felt at the incongruence of gender identity and biological sex. The idea that trans people fundamentally suffer from a mental illness has long been used by psychiatrists to decide who “qualifies” for transition-related care and who does not. By insisting on the medical validity of the diagnosis, progressives have reduced the question of justice to a question of who has the appropriate disease. In so doing, they have given the anti-trans movement a powerful tool for systematically pathologizing trans kids.
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Here's a choice bit of lunacy that really sums up the entire movement as a whole
Sex is real. So is global warming. To believe in their reality is an indispensable precondition for making normative claims about them, as we know from climate activism. But the belief that we have a moral duty to accept reality just because it is real is, I think, a fine definition of nihilism. What trans kids are saying is this: The right to change sex that has been enjoyed for decades by their parents, friends, teachers, coaches, doctors, and representatives, especially if those people are white and affluent — this right belongs to them, too.
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The usual internet commentariat are chiming in, besides clipping their own favourite parts, and the general consenus is relief of sorts. People are feeling like we're getting to the crux of the issue and that the Trans movement is surrendering the Scientific basis of mutilating children. We're not dancing around anymore. Going forward, as more and more things like the medical establishment pulling back from giving out blockers and hormones like tylonol keeps happening, it's going to be more and more the actual trans worldview in all its horror Vs. Everyone else. The tide is turning, folx.
 
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Would some sort of Anti-Trans resource fit well here?
Essentially a thread that actively maintains a catalog of counter-points to batshit stuff they say, backs it up with verified and reputable sources, as well as boils it down for the layman to help people perhaps understand the underlying point a bit easier.
 
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I went to PAX East this weekend. Attended a Legend of Zelda panel that was going to talk about Tears of the Kingdom and how popular the series is. The panel was being put on by a Zelda fan website.

At the panel intros, the owner of the site announced them self as a proud trans woman. I was like WTF. What does that have anything to do with what the panel is about? The rest of the people there cheered and clapped.

I wonder if the same people would cheer and clap if I said that I'm a proud straight white man. I doubt it.

Sorry if this is wrong thread.
 
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Gilgamesh! said:
Would some sort of Anti-Trans resource fit well here?
Essentially a thread that actively maintains a catalog of counter-points to batshit stuff they say, backs it up with verified and reputable sources, as well as boils it down for the layman to help people perhaps understand the underlying point a bit easier.
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I have the foundation of this ready to go. It's a small start with a few proper entries, only because there's so much nonsense to sift through, or extremely biased resources that pussyfoot around a very clear issue. But the format and foundation is set to go.

Could a more senior kiwi advise me on the proper next step? It would be best that I post what I've got so far in Prospering grounds, correct?
Kiwis could also start making contributions to it before it goes public, so that may be a bonus too.
 
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Gilgamesh! said:
I have the foundation of this ready to go. It's a small start with a few proper entries, only because there's so much nonsense to sift through, or extremely biased resources that pussyfoot around a very clear issue. But the format and foundation is set to go.

Could a more senior kiwi advise me on the proper next step? It would be best that I post what I've got so far in Prospering grounds, correct?
Kiwis could also start making contributions to it before it goes public, so that may be a bonus too.
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Definitely put it into Prospering Grounds - that way other kiwis can help you find resources, suggest improvements, etc. I've been meaning to do one on a group of Telegram Channels I've found, but other commitments have made me busy.
 
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Has anyone got any Youtube recommendations for gender critical topics? I have been watching a lot of King Critical recently, he's fantastic.
 
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