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those minis look terrible lmfao
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>Mormon-inspired
>They're just generic soldiers with knight helmets.
>Not a single monotheistic Native American blending Mesoamerican and Greek aesthetics in sight.
Fallout New Vegas is the only experience of these posers with Mormons.
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they look like amateur 3d print designs. Thin weapons and random effects ready to snap if you transport them.
It's the white shirts and black neckties visible on 4/7 of them and at least a couple of them have backpacks and they're missonaries, because mormons, get it?
It's so funny! Laugh!
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you know what, TC takes itself so seriously that i dont mind that one of its official (?) partners tries to have some amount of sillyness with the setting
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Are Oathmark and Frostgrave still the go to budget fantasy plastics? Need some Elf archers.
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Unless you can print stuff yourself. I would say so.
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What a wet fart of a design. Not even using traditional Mormon temple robes for fuck's sake...
And it's clear that they didn't have ideas on the designs, and clearly recycled assets for this. I think it's damning they also included the shirt and tie barely on that other knight. Also it'd have been far more fun to do a syncretic metis style Mormon/Ghost Dance Fusion aspect where you can adopt both and actually have an army. Fuck's sake.
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for real.
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It does say that they are New Antioch proxies but I don't get how besides the knight helmets maybe.
They won't do shit about lore other than "lol funny", they're proxies.
And that's because with a lot of miniature agnostic games, a not insignificant part of the community will just use literally whatever with zero thought put into theming, lore, overall aesthetic on the table, etc. This one just stands out egregiously because it doesn't fit in with anything else about TC in the slightest. May as well show up for a game(that's probably never going to happen) with a bunch of green plastic army men from the dollar store.
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Holy shit, I just looked at the minis. There is no fucking way they are charging that much. At most 2 of those look even remotely close to unique and not just WW1 soldiers.
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Retards proved you can jack up prices on anything Trench Crusade related so of course they're charging that much.
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I'm a retard with no 3D printer. Give me like a set of cheap knight minis and cheap ww1 minis and I could probably kitbash something better than there shit LMAO.
I might actually fuck around with that one day.
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As far as New Antioch goes, you can actually just go to some Wargames Atlantic affiliated sites and buy frames of something like the Great War French with the weapon sprue and their Conquistadores, and there, you have 7 regular troopers and 4 shocktroopers with bits for pretty much everything besides 1 handed maces and axes.
The French sprues have every gun type, Conquistadores have heavy melee weapons, shields and armored bodies/helmets. This one site i found it to be 21 USD total for a main and weapon sprue of each box set, you can probably greenstuff the shitty specialist retards or use Space Marines for the machine armors (which again, WGA has a proxy for)
This just illustrates how retarded the pricing is, their own offerings let you kitbash a warband of the higher unit counts for far cheaper, there is little to no reason to use their overpriced minis unless the scale matters too much (it probably doesnt, TC gives you base sizes anyways and thats the most gameplay altering thing, model wise, iirc) or you're too lazy to greenstuff a detail or two
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I don't think it's the fact that it's TC, so much as it is being a non historical gaming product and practically every other company also charging out the ass for a half dozen minis. These just being so low effort makes it look more absurd.
That's probably 99% of the customer base these days. Kitbashing is itself a rarity, actually sculpting simple shit is treated like a fucking lost art.
Anyway, these guys posted an interesting video. Commented on TC's joke of a booth at adepticon, and point out that they don't even seem to have a plan going forward for shipping physical product beyond the kickstarter stuff. Additionally, actually going to a retail shippable product is going to be even more expensive since everything was designed to be 3d printed and not designed to be injection molded so attempting to do that would mean having to re-sculpt a bunch of shit. Of course with the STLs out there, future growth even with the existing strategy is limited because even if they can get people into TC a year from now, they can just have their buddy print an army for them or find the STLs online themselves and the TC people don't see a dime of additional revenue from that.
This of course all could have been avoided if instead of shunning people with business sense, the TC team had actually hired some people who understand basic shit about business in the first place. Going with STLs for the initial armies for kickstarter might have made sense, so long as they switched future development to an actual product. Even OPR after all these years has been working on getting actual product available for retail sale(rather than just their etsy shop) which is going to do more for OPR going forward than all of the word-of-mouth advertising they had previously relied on, and TC is trying to mimic. It's not even about competing with GW, Privateer Press had to deal with this shit leading to Steamforged Games buying the warmachine IP from them and needing to replace the entire product range again. Atomic Mass Games, Corvus Belli, Parabellum, those are the companies that TC is failing at competing with.
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Golden Dragon Games is going to be putting out minis through Wargames Atlantic soon and I believe their basic infantry box is going to be 20 men for $40.
And while the terrible TC kit does use three sprues compared to GDG's kit only using two, the price is still insane when the appeal of a skirmish game is supposed to be a low price and you'll still probably need multiple boxes to get enough of the basic troops.
According to the comments on the announcement for this kit, they do have plastics coming. Can't wait to see how poorly it goes.
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Their current plan seems to be "let Only Games do everything for us", which isn't a great plan considering the company's overall reputation and the specific issues they've had fulfilling the Kickstarter rewards. The rest of your comment is exactly why I don't think the game is gonna last all that long. They're not offering retail product and probably won't for a long time, if ever, so LGSes have no reason to support them with events or dedicated table space at game nights. Leaving aside the loss of money from people who either pirate the STLs or just get a friend to print everything, they're model agnostic and the rules will apparently always be available for free on their website, so that's another major dent in what should be one of their main revenue streams. They've established a bunch of partnerships with other modeling groups and merch makers, but let's be real, the market for TC shirts and pins and endless alternate models is gonna be a small one, and they won't even get all of the money from whatever stuff they do sell. I don't see how they expect to keep the lights on more than a year or two at this rate.
That's something they should have been planning 6-10 months ago. When I say switched future development to an actual product after only relying on prints for the first 4 sets of factions or so. Modeling for 3d printing, setting supports setup right etc, and then needing to re-engineer everything to be on sprues later is duplication of work for effectively no gain which just means more cost. If they're only just now muttering about it, that means it's still a very long way off.
I don't think paywalling rules is a good way to go forward. But with no upcoming revenue stream once the kickstarter money runs out, they'll have fucked themselves. Another thing those hobby shop guys mention in the video is Ash from Guerilla Miniature Games having spoking to purely STL based creators and hearing that they run into problems because once the STLs are out there... they're out there. That's why there's been a couple of companies now(and plenty of other creators) doing subscriptions either via MMF or Patreon and needing to churn out an absolute fuck ton of models constantly, so the people who don't know any better or just can't wait till the STLs get posted on telegram or wherever show up. Of course this is an easy path to creative burn-out needing to stay within existing design language for an "IP" while churning out a 30-50+ STLs a month for a single game(not even GW releases that many minis a month for a single game under normal circumstances).
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Most new stuff isn't on Telegram unless you buy into a group buy. 2 or 3 years ago the public groups stopped posting the latest stuff.
The solution is to do what Avatars of war do. Sell STLS at a fair price. Don't charge full plastic kit prices for a digital file.
Units are $10s each (complete models or multipart kits are both on offer), characters are $5-10 and large characters and center piece models are $10. When it comes to AoW I don't even check telegram. It's cheap enough where I may as well buy them and support them. It's a fair price and the models look great and don't suffer from being designed in CAD and too fragile to game with.
TC is basically a kick starter scam in terms of company structure. It's sad WGA got involved with it. They're one of the better companies and I don't want them dragged through the mud when it goes south.