Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Manwithn0n0men]

people who buy shit on name alone. it's cheaper to make a shit movie in an established brand than trying to make a good movie in a unknown brand that might or might not take off.

Consumer product, then get excited to consume next product

 

[The handsome tard]

Sooner or later they are going to be forced to make new IPs and brands since the ones they milked are now dead and forgotten (outside of the people that still knew it for what it was).

 

[kadoink]

Sounds more and more like the leaks have been confirmed. According to the leaks Judgment day is literally 2020 in the film. Sounds like Cameron has lost any semblance of competence here by approving this silly pandering shit. Sad waste of Hamilton and Schwarzenegger. Funny enough the only character who is still showing any charisma or intrigue is STILL Gabriel Luna as the Rev9,

When your Antagonist shows more charisma with a few lines than your 2 new protagonists do after the trailers end up showing more than half the film over the ad campaign that shows that the studio is either scared the film wont do well and is desperately trying to build up interest, or are just incompetent.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

They're terrified this shit is going to flop again, but they refused to learn fuck-all from every previous attempt, Genisys in particular. They just looked at TFA and said, "Let's do that."*

Yeah, how's that going for Star Wars? Maybe you want to change course and realize people don't want continuations that shit all over the previous film's ending? Maybe they don't want their favorite films ruined and their heroes disgraced or killed off so you can "pass the torch".

Also yeah, Gabriel Luna's performance is pretty good. It's just too bad he doesn't hold a candle to the creepy menace of the T1000. He's at least way better than Dani and Grace, who have so far offered some real bad scenes in the trailers. Even Linda isn't immune to the bad 5-man writing job. Meanwhile Arnold feels like a necessary third wheel, as contradictory as that sounds. They need him (and Eddie and Linda) to sell this shit trilogy, but they want us to also accept their replacements, with whom you could've cut an much tighter film rebooting the franchise. But naw, gotta get those asses in seats with nostalgia power.

*I'm surprised they didn't bring back Silberman, the Dysons or the Salcedas either.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Latest trailer I saw at Joker premier hyped up "The return of James Cameron!" They're that desperate.

 

[The handsome tard]

Latest trailer I saw at Joker premier hyped up "The return of James Cameron!" They're that desperate.

James barely had anything to do with this movie. You can call anyone a producer, hell, they called Stan Lee a producer in many MCU movies even tho he really had no say in the matter besides the obligatory cameos. James is too busy still trying to make his alien blue cat waifu movie sequels (good luck with that, James...), and he barely appeared on set to give his insight. It was all on the Deadpool director, Tim Miller, who I think was hyped way too much over doing the Deadpool movie that totally is not overrated and is now showing himself more and more to be a Rian Johnson discount (complaining that if we dont like it, we are racist, woman haters, yada yada yada...RJ at least waited for the backlash to start throwing childish jabs, this dick has so little faith in his work that he knows we will dislike it).
So yeah, James had nothing to do with it and the little he did wont change a thing.

If anything, his EX-wife deserved more creative credit than him (but SJWs dont care about this, I wonder why).

 

[Polyboros2]

I think Sarah Conner Chronicles had the best ideas to take the franchise into new places

I agree, though messy, I liked the idea that time travel had really messed things up, where you had people from different futures in the same path, as well as the idea of a third faction in the past of terminators who had their learning chips turned on (it's implied mostly by other terminators) that wanted to ensure Skynet's creation while still preventing the war.

 

[The handsome tard]

Just came from watching Joker, great movie, voice of a generation, but I got a preview for fucking Terminator Dark Fate and holy fuck, they are trying everything to sell this...literally giving entire sections of the movie away...

The hispanic chick is so fucking cringy with the whole " I will stand and fight" bit...well, bitch, its easy to say that when you got a terminator,a womanator and Linda Hamilton in need for a paycheck on your side. Not even Sarah and John Connor did this in T1 and 2, it was obviously clear that there wasnt a way to stop the terminator itself, only get away from it. I also freaking despise how every scene with Grace and Rev-9 has the latter getting its ass kicked everytime...seriously, every scene they have shown with those two fighting, she has the upperhand...I remember how the T-800 and T-1000 fights always were extremely close calls to which the former could only get a temporary victory to escape before the latter could regenerate (also I dont need to say that Rev-9's presence aint got shit on the T-1000's).

I really think the problem with Dark Fate is one of several action movies nowadays, they GOTTA GO for bigger and louder, acting like that was the only reason we were there. Well, the first Die Hard for me is a classic, you know why? Because of the intensity, danger and atmosphire of the situation, every action scene with McCain felt like a very close call for him (and he got more and more wounded with each confront, even if he "won" it). Each sequel has less of that and more explosive stakes to the point it almost becomes a parody of itself. There is a reason the best action scenes are actually pretty down to earth, for example, T2 had the canal chase, the music, the shots, the stakes, the intensity of the situation were all amazing...they didnt need planes and granades raining from the fucking skies to grab our attention...for what it was it was just a truck, a motor-bike and a motorcycle chasing each other but its the smallest of details (like that sweet one hand reload), the T-800 constantly rethinking its strategies (like, he tries to shoot the T-1000 to slow it down but its clear it wasnt doing much, so he changed the strategy to reach John before it could reach him).

Its like movies act like we got ADD and need to constantly throw giant explosions and fucking plane crashes to keep our attention, thats the problem with action movies, they become so over the top they become parody of themselves, not understanding bigger explosions arent bigger stakes.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I agree, though messy, I liked the idea that time travel had really messed things up, where you had people from different futures in the same path, as well as the idea of a third faction in the past of terminators who had their learning chips turned on (it's implied mostly by other terminators) that wanted to ensure Skynet's creation while still preventing the war.

And "Skynet but no war" could have been a interesting angle

 

[XYZpdq]

SCC also had the advantage that because they couldn't afford to have robots and shit blowing up constantly they actually had to stop and think for a minute about the show they were making, which really left town early into T2

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I thought this theory was pretty interesting:

Nothing ground-breaking, but it does neatly flesh out the "time loop" narrative of T1, while also allowing for sequels like T2. Basically we're watching the 3rd iteration of the time loop.

I really think the problem with Dark Fate is one of several action movies nowadays, they GOTTA GO for bigger and louder, acting like that was the only reason we were there. Well, the first Die Hard for me is a classic, you know why? Because of the intensity, danger and atmosphire of the situation, every action scene with McCain felt like a very close call for him (and he got more and more wounded with each confront, even if he "won" it). Each sequel has less of that and more explosive stakes to the point it almost becomes a parody of itself. There is a reason the best action scenes are actually pretty down to earth, for example, T2 had the canal chase, the music, the shots, the stakes, the intensity of the situation were all amazing...they didnt need planes and granades raining from the fucking skies to grab our attention...for what it was it was just a truck, a motor-bike and a motorcycle chasing each other but its the smallest of details (like that sweet one hand reload), the T-800 constantly rethinking its strategies (like, he tries to shoot the T-1000 to slow it down but its clear it wasnt doing much, so he changed the strategy to reach John before it could reach him).

Its like movies act like we got ADD and need to constantly throw giant explosions and fucking plane crashes to keep our attention, thats the problem with action movies, they become so over the top they become parody of themselves, not understanding bigger explosions arent bigger stakes.

David Ellison said it himself when promoting Genisys: "We want to be Marvel." For some reason he thinks The Terminator is Marvel-killer material, which explains why he would go with a edgy chucklefuck like the director of Deadpool to helm his second reboot attempt. Nothing cutting edge about Blur Studios that I've seen, they just do good CG and Deadpool was funny, which I guess is all you need to copy Marvel.

What was cutting edge and not widely available in the 90s is now the blockbuster action film standard today. How do you wow audiences who are used to epic space battles, realistic CG aliens and superhero showdowns? It sure as shit isn't by turning your Terminator characters into shitty comic book characters, that's just more of the same. So these guys don't seem to be chasing fresh film-making, they're chasing tentpole franchises and what's already popular & safe, probably for non-artistic reasons like holding onto licenses, or for "economic reasons," like Tim Miller put it, when talking about the film's rating. It's so convenient when you can change your film from a PG-13 to an R with some CG blood and some cursing. Bravo Miller.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

You know, I liked the new Rambo movie partly because it was smaller and grittier. It felt more intense and personal to Rambo.

I didn't need him to dive out of an exploding airplane while swinging around num-chuks.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

You know, I liked the new Rambo movie partly because it was smaller and grittier. It felt more intense and personal to Rambo.

I didn't need him to dive out of an exploding airplane while swinging around num-chuks.

But would you also have enjoyed that?

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Last Blood I enjoyed, but I think it's barely a Rambo movie. You could replace him with Turok or an original German-Indian war vet and it wouldn't have changed much outside of the ending montage. That said, the fact they didn't turn it into Live Free or Die Hard (which I also liked) definitely worked in it's favor. Maybe it might've come full circle better if he waged a private guerilla war right there in Mexican territory, like he did in First Blood, and have the Jerry Goldsmith theme thrown in a couple times.

I felt the same way about Last Blood as I did about the last Halloween movie. They're both solid, fun entries in their franchises, but they're still far from the best they have to offer. Dark Fate I think will be another dumb, dark mess like Genisys was. It's too much of the same, too soon.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

But would you also have enjoyed that?

Maybe, depending on the context and execution, lol.

 

[The handsome tard]

David Ellison said it himself when promoting Genisys: "We want to be Marvel." For some reason he thinks The Terminator is Marvel-killer material, which explains why he would go with a edgy chucklefuck like the director of Deadpool to helm his second reboot attempt. Nothing cutting edge about Blur Studios that I've seen, they just do good CG and Deadpool was funny, which I guess is all you need to copy Marvel.

What was cutting edge and not widely available in the 90s is now the blockbuster action film standard today. How do you wow audiences who are used to epic space battles, realistic CG aliens and superhero showdowns? It sure as shit isn't by turning your Terminator characters into shitty comic book characters, that's just more of the same. So these guys don't seem to be chasing fresh film-making, they're chasing tentpole franchises and what's already popular & safe, probably for non-artistic reasons like holding onto licenses, or for "economic reasons," like Tim Miller put it, when talking about the film's rating. It's so convenient when you can change your film from a PG-13 to an R with some CG blood and some cursing. Bravo Miller.

Another franchise wanting to be the MCU...

I really think people set the standarts for the MCU way too high in retrospect. Now yes, the MCU is good (great in a few instances) but its the equivalent of cinematic fast food (again with some minor exceptions like Captain America Winter Soldier),perhaps because comics are a different medium that rarely can be adapted properly into another media (again, there are exceptions like the Dark Knight and ESPECIALLY Joker). What it did so well was to tell a decade old sequence of events leading up into bigger and bigger events but I feel like the smaller stories themselves didnt feel so important (lets be honest, did anyone actually watch Captain Marvel for the character and not because of the Infinity War Stinger? People wanted more of the story, not the characters). The MCU is not character driven for the most part (the closest we had was Stark and Rogers but now they are both gone), its events driven and I really think its starting to become repetitive and exausting (because what big event they will lead up now Thanos is gone? Galactus? A really OP-ed Dr Doom?), it works on comics because they are a different media that can keep character and events balanced but movies are different.

I really feel Phase 4 is what happens when the event driven narrative finally begin to lose its steam, especially since its both driving characters are gone, the closest we got now is Spider-Man but he is suppose to only appear twice now (then he is sony's, which I hardly think is an improve but I guess its better than the mouse). I think they set up Captain marvel to be the new driving character but...

No, just no. I take Hawk-eye over Captain "Personal Offense".

The MCU will go on, indeed but it will never be the money maker that phase 1-3 were and I think Disney knows it but rather let it keep going on and on, using the X-Men and the Fantastic 4 to keep our attention just for a bit longer before it gets the plug pulled for not making enough money (thats my prediction anyway). I personally think they should have went on a hiatus after Endgame and return it in 3 years or something, to give people time to want more because after Endgame (and wokeness being on the fucking horizon like the actual comics), people just feel like taking a break at least or closing the book at worst.

TL;DR: The MCU isnt something you can just copy into your franchise...The Terminator is not fucking Marvel and thats a good thing in my eyes...any attempts to BE Marvel will only lead to disaster (the only few exceptions to this are the Monsterverse and maybe the Annabeleverse).

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I don't know if it's the time we're living in or just plain greed, but this idea of giving a franchise a rest seems foreign to most of these big media conglomerates. You just have to keep cranking shit out as fast and as often as possible, and there's no time or humility to admit when you screw the pooch and change course. Your only option is either to go away or double down. No room for failure.

When you have autist auteur savants like GL or Cameron on the other hand, they take as long as they like, for better or worse. How many people like that do we have? JJ? Blomkamp? Scorsese? You have maybe a handful of up-and-comers from Marvel, but I don't see them coming up with a timeless original property anytime soon. That's just me though.

 

[The handsome tard]

I don't know if it's the time we're living in or just plain greed, but this idea of giving a franchise a rest seems foreign to most of these big media conglomerates. You just have to keep cranking shit out as fast and as often as possible, and there's no time or humility to admit when you screw the pooch and change course. Your only option is either to go away or double down. No room for failure.

When you have autist auteur savants like GL or Cameron on the other hand, they take as long as they like, for better or worse. How many people like that do we have? JJ? Blomkamp? Scorsese? You have maybe a handful of up-and-comers from Marvel, but I don't see them coming up with a timeless original property anytime soon. That's just me though.

You can make "Original" stories and concepts if you try hard enough but its too much of a finantial risk for these companies...they only see the money and thats it. Things move faster than ever to them and they think audiences are too ADD and dumb to want to try something new (if its good, we will give it a chance, simple as that). Ironic because some of the best movies in the past werent all box office hits but they managed to stick around for just being that good.

 

[The Nothingness]

One thing I noticed in a recent TV ad is there looks to be a comedic moment after Sarah Conner saves "Juanita Conner" and the Trooninator on the bridge.

Because just like the MCU, you got to break the action and dramatic tension with comedy.

 

[The handsome tard]

I realized that this movie has FIVE WRITERS.
FIVE! WRITERS!

While there are exceptions, anywhere beyond 2 writers is already an awful sign that this story will be a clusterfuck of ideas and mood shifts (that we can even already detect in the trailers).

It shows they needed 5 writers to squish a movie out and even then, we all know its not gonna be good.

Edit:

One thing I noticed in a recent TV ad is there looks to be a comedic moment after Sarah Conner saves "Juanita Conner" and the Trooninator on the bridge.

Because just like the MCU, you got to break the action and dramatic tension with comedy.

The funny thing is that T2 also had some humor but it was never DURING the action. It was usually in the calm between them fights and drama (it mostly came from John and the T-800 together, him trying to teach it to act more human. That helped make us fall in love with the T-800 so that when it had to sacrifice itself, we would feel just like John)

The MCU style of comedy sucks ass anyway, it completely destroys the mood 8/10