Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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I can't wait to see the EV wasteland in 5-10 years. They're peak consumerism. You won't see a 10 year old electric car on the road, but you will 10+ year old ICE cars on the road all the time. Even old hybrids will work without a fully functional battery pack.

Hybrids are better than electric cars, and the fact that they failed to replace 100% ICE cars during the aughts to tens should speak volumes about the futility of trying to phase out ICE cars by replacing them with electric by 2030 like a lot of shitlibs want to do.
 
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So many Tesla's (and other EVs) around me. Most are driven by Pajeets and chinks with some having "Please be Patient Student driver" stickers on them. They all have the most eye-searing LED headlights known to man. The thermal runaway problem I think will only get worse as the cars start to age and degrade internally.

I can't wait to see the EV wasteland in 5-10 years. They're peak consumerism. You won't see a 10 year old electric car on the road, but you will 10+ year old ICE cars on the road all the time. Even old hybrids will work without a fully functional battery pack.
I absolutely abhor the headlight design on Teslas. Whichever engineering team that designed them should be roped for making something that blinds opposite traffic.
 
It never made sense for Bentley or Rolls-Royce to go all-electric. They make GT cars which are comfy and fast cars meant for doing a "grand tour" aka a continent-spanning road trip, literally the exact thing that EVs suck the most at.
At the very least they should make a supple and plushy hybrid with insane EV capabilities. Seeing a Rolls Royce with gobs of torque and 900 miles range on a single tank + charge would differentiate it from your regular long wheelbase plushy European saloons (7 series, S class, A8).
 
Well, it's not because it's an EV, just because it's a shit car:

Tesla Cybertruck Hit With Stop-Sale Because of Unintended Acceleration: Report

It sure looks like Tesla has issued a stop-sale order of new Cybertrucks to address a serious problem with the truck’s accelerator pedal which could lead to unintended acceleration issues. A number of forum and social media posts on X and TikTok have brought up the issue.

Several folks have even posted that their upcoming deliveries have been delayed or canceled, according to Investor’s Business Daily. I usually take Cybertruck news with a bit of a grain of salt – especially because we can’t contact Tesla for confirmation, but this time it’s different. Even Elon Musk and Tesla’s biggest fans – like Whole Mars Catalog on X – have posted that Cybertruck deliveries have stopped “for 7 days due to an issue with the accelerator pedal.”


A TikToker called el.chepito1985 explained the issue in some detail. Basically, the metal cover of the accelerator pedal isn’t attached well enough. Because of that, the piece can get wedged between the accelerator pedal and the bulkhead of the truck. If that happens, the pedal is pushed down all the way to the floor, causing the truck to accelerate at full speed. With a truck that weighs as much as the Cybertruck does and an acceleration time of a tick over 2.5 seconds to 60, this is a real issue. Luckily, you can override the issue by holding the brake down, but the second you let off, the car lurches forward.


This news comes on the heels of a report from Business Insider that Tesla told Cybertruck production workers at its Austin, Texas-based facility that their shifts would be shorter starting on April 15.

 
Drive-by-wire is one of the biggest problems with tesla in general

When fighter jets went to fly by wire, there was a good reason, one of them being the jets were so massive and heavy that you couldn't really manually actuate the control surfaces anymore anyways (up to the f-4 you actually were hydraulically assisted and could still try to fly manually if hydraulics failed). With cars there is almost no reason whatsoever it just simplifies the engineering.

Cant wait to melt to death in my indestructible stainless steel death trap after the ethernet cables to the door handles are severed in the crash as I watch the rescuers fruitlessly try to cut through the frame to save me
 
Well drive by wire and fly by wire are about different thing, FADEC would be a more direct comparison. And drive by wire can have benefits, it's just that it's optimized for Karens, so there's shit like huge throttle hang and delayed response, which can be fixed with a tune.

Now "fly by wire" for cars (steer by wire) is a horrifying concept, in such case steering wheel is not directly connected through shaft to the steering rack. I don't know why anyone would bother with it other than cost savings on a large scale.

As to fly by wire on planes, it opens many possibilities for increasing performance, while keeping the plane controllable. Look at B2 for example, flying wings were not widely adopted before FBW because they have some yaw stability issues, computer can quickly correct it so the pilot doesn't have to worry about quirks and focus on other things.
 
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Tesla will be laying off 10% of their workforce:

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You dont understand, cybertruck is steer by wire.
I still don't understand how this isn't illegal. Some government agency, not MSHA because it includes agricultural equipment, requires offroad equipment with a top speed over 30 mph to have a backup system if it has fully hydraulic steering. Most manufacturers use a pump that becomes ground driven if engine dies.
 
I still don't understand how this isn't illegal. Some government agency, not MSHA because it includes agricultural equipment, requires offroad equipment with a top speed over 30 mph to have a backup system if it has fully hydraulic steering. Most manufacturers use a pump that becomes ground driven if engine dies.
Tesla basically just does whatever it feels like until they fuck up too many times and get held accountable. Then lolberts start squalling about BIG GUBMINT getting in the way of true innovation.
 
Tesla basically just does whatever it feels like until they fuck up too many times and get held accountable. Then lolberts start squalling about BIG GUBMINT getting in the way of true innovation.
Pretty much. Half (or more) of the "muh innovation" are just ideas others have tried/thought about, but discarded for being dumb.

But then it turns out if you put those ideas into a single package, make it look "futuristic", and slap on a cringe marketing campaign of "rejoice nerds, this makes all those swirlies worth it", you can sell it.
 
I still don't understand how this isn't illegal. Some government agency, not MSHA because it includes agricultural equipment, requires offroad equipment with a top speed over 30 mph to have a backup system if it has fully hydraulic steering. Most manufacturers use a pump that becomes ground driven if engine dies.
There's no legislation about pure drive by wire steering probably because all the other auto manufacturers have experimented with it in the past and have realized it's an idiotic idea that goes against rational engineering design. The lack of having any such steer by wire product on the market didn't give need for it to be regulated is my guess.
 
There's no legislation about pure drive by wire steering probably because all the other auto manufacturers have experimented with it in the past and have realized it's an idiotic idea that goes against rational engineering design. The lack of having any such steer by wire product on the market didn't give need for it to be regulated is my guess.
Do those vehicles that have eear wheel steering do drive by wire for the rear wheels?
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Also drive by wire is needed for spherical wheels, but those are still a concept.
 
The two arguments I've seen for steer-by-wire are

1) Dealing with the torque from unexpected bumps on the road. If you hit a pothole in a conventional car, the impact can drag your wheel around, forcing you to compensate for it and potentially oversteer.
2) Adjusting wheel sensitivity depending on your speed, so turning the wheel a certain distance gets you more steering at low speed than it does at high speed. Supposedly, it's a safety feature.

I can sort of see the arguments for both, but at the same time I feel like they're something of a solution searching for a problem and would risk further disconnecting the driver from their car. You can already have a situation where the computer decides how much throttle and braking to apply on your behalf, which has caused problems; having it decide that you're trying to steer dangerously and moderating your input, when you're trying to avoid a head-on collision, will be fatal.
 
The two arguments I've seen for steer-by-wire are...

I would think another big one (for the manu) is going to be way less deviations/differences/extra machining tooling etc when producing right hand drive cars.

I saw this vid a while back explaining some of the things steer by wire is and does in cybertrucks and an upcoming lexus. It's pretty neat (I'm in no way advocating for it though, I just like learning new geeky technical shit)

 
1. Dealing with the torque from unexpected bumps on the road. 2. Adjusting wheel sensitivity depending on your speed
Both of these entail treating the driver like a retarded gorilla nigger, and if I evaluate musk's actions in isolation then it seems like he has directed his engineers to take away all the freedom cars once offered.

Its this but engineering, basically
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Both of these entail treating the driver like a retarded gorilla nigger, and if I evaluate musk's actions in isolation then it seems like he has directed his engineers to take away all the freedom cars once offered.

Its this but engineering, basically
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Yup. Let's replace it with a system that would actually cause more danger in a failure because there's no manual backup (if I understand correctly) to save people a bit of hassle on actually having to learn how to drive properly.
 
Do those vehicles that have eear wheel steering do drive by wire for the rear wheels?
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Also drive by wire is needed for spherical wheels, but those are still a concept.
Four wheel steering has been a thing since the 80s and there are both purely mechanical and electromechanical mechanisms implemented to make it work. For the mechanical ones, Nissan's first gen HICAS literally plumbed another set of hydraulic lines from the power steering pump all the way to rear steering rack. The 80s Honda Prelude Si used a steering shaft and cleverly designed rear rack for its system. GM's Quadrasteer is what you could call steer by wire as its rear axle is actuated by a pair of solenoids. Current day Porsche, Benz, BMW, Acura all use variations of solenoid actuated rear steering systems since they're simpler to make and package. However, the thing is if the rear axle steering were to fail, usually the ECM will simple deactivate the actuators in a defined state and disable the rear steering in its entirety. Quadrasteer is designed that way and I'm sure all the others are too. That system failing doesn't render the car unsteerable though.

2) Adjusting wheel sensitivity depending on your speed, so turning the wheel a certain distance gets you more steering at low speed than it does at high speed. Supposedly, it's a safety feature.
That's basically what a steering rack and its ratios do. Many racks have variable ratios to do what you stated, which can be both mechanically built into the rack gears or be controlled by a motor in the steering wheel connected to a sort of locking clutch.
 
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