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Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me
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Aging Wheels two year Polestar report. tl;dr he is an EV simp, so he loves the polestar he bought, but is still honest enough to point out all the issues he has with it. The depreciation is a nightmare. 62k to 18k in two years. Real world range of the car is between 150 and 200 miles. Officially claimed range is over 300.
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I still remember Elon saying it would be financially insane not to buy a Tesla, because their OTA updates and the like would cause them to appreciate in value. Currently, a basic 2020 Model 3 sells for about $26K, down from $46K. A 2020 basic Lexus IS 350 had an MSRP of $42K and sells for $31K right now.
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Late to the thread, but I gotta say, I FUCKING LOVE my new Tesla. I bought the luxury package with the omnidirectional A/V array and SATCOM which collects the biometrics of myself and all of my passengers and beams them directly to Zuckerstern headquarters 24/7/365! Now I choose my company wisely, so I dont have to worry about errant N-words lowering my social credit score or causing the car to accidentaly drive directly into an oncoming semi. Cooler still, the seats all come with an integrated XXL vibrating buttplug with built in electrodes, no need to bring my own! It vibrates in rhythm with my favorite goyslop pop groups such as Ariana Grande, Bruno Mars, and Maroon 5. If I drift off while the car drives itself, the electrodes in the buttplug gently jolt me awake so that I can focus on the Cinematic Experience of being driven through San Francisco's beautiful homeless druggie shit covered streets. Thank you Elon!
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All cars depreciate in value, there is no way he would be able to buck the trend of basic economics.
That's still way expensive which makes me think people still highly value these cars for whatever garbage reason.
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Try telling that to one of the retards clapping like a seal when he said that.
When you consider that the dollar has lost like 50% of its real value since 2020, maybe it's not so overvalued.
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Looking into getting a car with "hands free" self drive but sceptical about Tesla due to Elon removing radar sensors / USS and relying solely on cameras.
That shit sounds insane like the whole Boeing fiasco with only relying on one angle of attack sensor. Kinda afraid the car is going to phantom break and I will get rear ended.
That shit sounds insane like the whole Boeing fiasco with only relying on one angle of attack sensor. Kinda afraid the car is going to phantom break and I will get rear ended.
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Phantom braking due to AEB systems have been a problem for other auto makers too. Nissan and Honda owners have also reported that their cars would suddenly brake, even if there's nothing in front of the car.
And this is apparently the fix for the Cybertruck stuck accelerator pedal recall:
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He's a fun car simp, and EV's are fun. But they're not good, because battery and also them being overcomplicated computers that can be remotely controlled which is a nightmare. But they're fun and I'd drive one if they weren't so expensive and horrible in all the other aspects. That's the thing with EV's, they're not a miracle solution to the problem of replacing ICE cars, but they're fun toys. Very expensive and in some circumstances extremely dangerous, but they're fun.
Remember, this is the guy that paid out of his ass to import one of the shittiest post-communist cars to be ever made, because he finds it fun.
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There are some old cars that do appreciate in value. They don't even have to be that old or rare.
For example, old Volvo 240s and even 740s/940s have become a bit of a cult car so one in good condition can go for like 10,000 dollars in Sweden where as a couple of years ago it would go for just a few thousands. You would be hard pressed to find a road worthy one for under 3,000 when 2 decades ago you could get a shitheap for like 300.
IMO it's well worth the money as well. They are easy to work on, they run forever if you keep the rust at bay and the rear wheel drive is fun too. Can you even call yourself a Swede if you don't want to go drifting in an old Volvo every time there is fresh snow?
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Sounds like you just have to get a used one if the guy in the video is accurate about the crazy depreciation rates on EV's. Hell, I may even get one in a decade or so when I can buy it for a couple grand and force it to navigate itself off a fucking cliff for the lulz.
Whats interesting is that I've heard from reliable sources in the auto manufacturing industry that EV manufacturers are NOT going gangbusters buying fuckloads of machines/production lines to make them. It seems a lot of them are getting cold feet after seeing how the IRL demand just isnt there. It sounds like the EV hype generated by the media and online slacktivists is just that, while the automotive industry doesnt want to dedicate plants to making EVs when they can make ICE vehicles instead. Go figure.
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Man I'd love to own a 240/740 wagon one day. Love how blocky and utilitarian they were. The pre-lift 740 wagon was peak brick.
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Yeah, I love them. I was specifically looking for one of those 2 cars last time I wanted to buy a car. I ended up finding a really nice 245 with basically no rust and only 29,000 Nordic miles on it so about 180,000 ish imperial miles.
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> Save money by making the gas pedal a glorified Logitech controller.
> Because the gas pedal is not connected to a mechanical process there is nothing to push it back.
> Spend billions fixing every car once people start dying from the equivalent of a joystick key jam.
Cars are the worst investment you can make but have to if you want to have any sort of autonomy. I still have my 10+ year old small car from university which will probably outlive every current Tesla brand.
ICE cars might buck the trend though if you can buy one cheap and have the ability to repair it yourself (selling it when the supply kicks back up), though it depends how draconic your country is regarding fixing your own car.
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I call him an EV simp because he's extremely invested in EVs, far beyond the "they're fun" stage, to the point of sinking a small fortune into two separate EV conversion projects, one of which (the hauler bus) is now essentially abandoned. I'm not saying this as a detractor as such because I agree that EVs are fun to drive, and once I have the cash I'll be investigating an EV or hybrid conversion of my old jeep. I say it because he's fully bought into the idea that EVs are both a net social and environmental good, and an inevitable future, when the former is questionable at best and the latter relies on a whole bunch of assumptions that are currently not proving true. He also repeats the claim that EVs require less servicing, which is one of those lies of omission that I really can't abide. They require "less servicing" because when a failure happens, you rip and replace whole sealed sub-assemblies instead of having the option to repair the components.
I'm a fan of his channel. Can you tell?
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TBH, they are likely to skyrocket in price if the EU actually goes through with their planned ban on new ICE cars. In 2050 you might pay 10 times more for a nice street legal ICE car than what you payed for it pre ban. Think of the US 86 "machinegun" ban as an example, it made pre ban transferable "machineguns" worth as much as a cheep house.
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Batteries wear down pretty quickly. There really is very little difference between the battery in a Tesla and the battery in your phone. You can make it last longer by never charging over 80% and discharging below 20%, but then you’re only getting half the advertised range, which is already fairly low compared to a combustion engine.
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In theory, EV's do require less servicing. Like James May said in that clip someone posted above, an electric motor is a very elegant way of creating torque. The issue is that every modern EV is unnecessarily complicated and prone to serious issues requiring major rebuilds by design when they shouldn't be. I agree that it's a massive lie by omission, but the omission in this case is EV's in theory vs EV's in practice.
Fun little fact, you know the BelAZ 75710? The largest truck in the world?
It has two gigantic gas guzzling 65 liter 16 cylinder engines. But those are hooked up to two massive AC alternators. The wheels are driven by four electric motors. Because it's a more elegant and efficient way of realizing the same final goal, especially in a machine of this size.
Yeah that is insanely gay. They are not an environmental good. You know the slogan Reduce, Reuse, Recycle? This is the cornerstone of ecology. You don't save the environment by making more, but by reusing what has been already made. Millions of ICE cars have been made and can be used, EV's have to be made, and the environmental impact of this process, and processes like obtaining lithium are never mentioned.
EV's aren't environmentally friendly by the sheer fact that you're making new stuff instead of reusing the old one. Now let's look at the side of carbon emissions when an EV car and an ICE car is used. An EV car needs to be charged with electricity. By the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, this is highly inefficient. First, steam powers a turbine to generate electricity. That then travels through substations all the way up to your home to then be pumped into your EV. Each step in this transaction leads to an energy loss. And chances are your power comes from burning gas and coal, so by charging your EV you're leading to some really excessive CO2 emissions when you account for the energy loss.
Now let's look at an ICE car. It takes in gasoline, it combusts it, it generates torque. A much more direct conversion of energy. But oil is bad and needs to be stopped, right? Well it's never gonna stop, we rely on liquified dinosaur fossils for absolutely everything. All the plastics in EV's and other consumer goods? Oil processing byproduct. And we keep making new plastics because they degrade, we can't recycle them like we can metal or glass. Asphalt roads? Oil processing byproduct. We'll never stop this CO2 emission, but we can use what comes from it more efficiently.
We discussed how older ICE cars have left their mark on the planet, but when we reuse them we burn gasoline that leads to more CO2 emissions. Well, one of the many byproducts of oil processing is propane, and we can use that to power older ICE cars whilst reducing their CO2 emissions, as Hank Hill has said, propane burns very cleanly. Mass conversions of old ICE cars to run on liquid propane gas is the real way to reducing CO2 emissions from cars. But there's no money to be made here, and the push for EV's is all about the money and not about ecology, that's a greenwashing lie like many others pushed by corporations to sell more shit, even if it's more and more detrimental to the environment.
Yes I wrote all that from memory and it's autistic as shit, it's like a mantra, I know.
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reminds me of when people were buying pre-builts from places like microcenter because the GPU in them were worth so much that it was like getting the rest of the computer for free.
electric cars easily compete and win over conventional cars. as long as those cars are from the 1950s,
The used car market for EVs is almost non-existent for a reason.
exactly outside of first hand knowledge and an honest sharing of his experiences i wouldn't trust his evaluation of what is "fun" or a "good idea" he's the auto equivalent of someone into bestiality.
people don't realize EVs were the "normal" cars while ICE was the newer weird one. and the reason ICE won was because A. being cheaper, B. being easier for any asshhole to repair/modify and C. the economics of europe changed a fuck load in the 1910s compared to the 1890s so the price of electricity vs gas really tilted the scales in ICE favor. As people have probably noticed, energy costs have skyrocketed compared to 5 years ago, so the cost per mile to drive an EV is a fuck load more than it is to drive a gas car now, whereas that was considered a huge plus for EVs.
a decade ago they said EVs were cheaper to fuel and cheaper to maintain so that whole battery issue wouldn't be there. Now even in California where gas is hilariously high and they love EVs the cost is still slightly more to fill up an EV at home vs use a gas station and if you even dare use a supercharger its triple the cost of charging at home and you're still waiting 2 hrs vs 5 minutes at a gas station.
and that doesn't get into the numerous maintenance problems.