Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Atypical Dog]

Lane assist sounds horrible. Don't have a car with it yet, but things like overtakes on motorbikes or pedal bikes that are lane splitting or slipping into the opposite lane to get around someone going slow while carrying a little Kubota combine on a trailer or laden with grain are standard practice in the country, and an alarm beeping at me to get back in lane can only be annoying. Dodging potholes, dogs or goats crossing the road, or trying to squeeze through traffic will only add to the trauma.

 

[Betonhaus]

Lane assist sounds horrible. Don't have a car with it yet, but things like overtakes on motorbikes or pedal bikes that are lane splitting or slipping into the opposite lane to get around someone going slow while carrying a little Kubota combine on a trailer or laden with grain are standard practice in the country, and an alarm beeping at me to get back in lane can only be annoying. Dodging potholes, dogs or goats crossing the road, or trying to squeeze through traffic will only add to the trauma.

I can see it being wanted in the midwest where there are long stretches of straight roads, but it just encourages not paying attention.

They day we start getting self driving motorhomes is when we are all doomed to end up in a crash eventually.

 

[Susanna]

An Australian Hyundai IONIQ5 owner got a self-aware license plate for his car:

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They're still trying to downplay EV fires, by saying that they're safer because of having "lesser odds" to catch fire than ICE cars, without taking into account the sheer amount of effort needed to extinguish them, and how destructive EV fires can get, i.e. the Tesla Semitruck fire, the EQE that burned in a South Korean parking lot, and whenever a Chinese EV bursts into flames.

If fire hazard is something we’re supposed to care about, the logical solution isn’t anything with a lithium battery (for obvious reasons), it’s diesel.

 

[Atypical Dog]

I can see it being wanted in the midwest where there are long stretches of straight roads, but it just encourages not paying attention.

They day we start getting self driving motorhomes is when we are all doomed to end up in a crash eventually.

Yeah it's like cruise control, I could only see it being useful on long one-way roads where the greatest threats to your drive are boredom, speeders going dangerously hard, the bladder, and the kids in the back asking "are we there yet?"

If the cybertruck hood or back hasn't taken off their fingers while playing with it.

 

[Meriasek]

I hate all those driving assistant features (except cruise control, that shit is nice). I have a compact car from 2018 with bottom tier features so it's nice, but I fear that by the time that one dies, I'll be forced to get one of those rolling iPads.
Maybe I can get my compact converted to an EV.
Ok maybe not, I'd like a station wagon instead of a compact.
Like a Volvo 850.

 

[geckogoy]

Maybe I can get my compact converted to an EV.
Ok maybe not, I'd like a station wagon instead of a compact.

https://www.edisonmotors.ca/

These people are trying to offer a pickup conversion kit in the next couple of years and are the most plausible attempt at that sort of thing I've yet heard of so they may be the right ones to look at for that

 

[Meriasek]

https://www.edisonmotors.ca/

These people are trying to offer a pickup conversion kit in the next couple of years and are the most plausible attempt at that sort of thing I've yet heard of so they may be the right people to look at for that

Doesn't quite help me as I'm German, but there is a German company as well that seems promising. They claim to convert pretty much any ICE car in like eight hours, they have a modular system with motor and battery mounting brackets that are pretty much plug&play for common cars, and a CAN-bus module so the legacy electronic doesn't have to be fully ripped out.
So if your car doesn't have all the bells and whistles, you can keep it that way for the most part. They'll still add some digitalisation for battery and charging control, of course. Apparently a new infotainment system of some sort.

https://www.e-r3volt.com/upgrade-car

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Apparently a new infotainment system of some sort.

I was feeling hopeful until you said this. Fucking ruined.
This trend of people being unable to be separated from their fucking iPads for a microsecond even while driving a vehicle is dangerous and retarded.

 

[geckogoy]

Doesn't quite help me as I'm German

I was feeling hopeful until you said this, absolutely ruined

 

[Meriasek]

I was feeling hopeful until you said this. Fucking ruined.
This trend of people being unable to be separated from their fucking iPads for a microsecond even while driving a vehicle is dangerous and retarded.

I hope it's optional and can be just put down out of main sight for battery control and shit.
I would prefer it if charge status and so on would be on a most unobtrusive display, ideally a small red/orange matrix dot display, but it's still better than nothing.
Sadly, many people actually want this shit when modernising their cars.
I'm gonna do my own EV conversion kit, with blackjack and matrix displays. Or analog gauges.

I was feeling hopeful until you said this, absolutely ruined

Same, every day I wake up here is ruined by the reminder that I'm here.

/edit: I could get behind a touchscreen like the one on the 1986 Buick Riviera. Now that shit is awesome. Or the 1989 Oldsmobile Toronado. That's car info center done properly. I don't want a giant super bright fullHD screen in my field of view, but a nice green or orange MFD in the middle console, preferably with physical buttons for the functions, with a low light setting for driving during the night? Showing concise information without too many bells and whistles? Hell yeah.

 

[DavidS877]

I would prefer it if charge status and so on would be on a most unobtrusive display, ideally a small red/orange matrix dot display, but it's still better than nothing.

For something like the Edison I could see this, maybe with a column shifter.
Original 1960s Chevy. Plenty of spots to put in analog stuff.

Or Mix it up

Maybe use the right for instant power, Range and other digital data on the left. Whatever.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Some more EV news, which again is mostly bad:

VW revealed the prices for the ID.Buzz EV van, and it starts at over $61k, and a fully loaded First Edition trim with AWD will cost over $71k. I'm sure that the original VW bus wasn't this expensive in 60s or 70s dollars at the time, correct?

Ford cancels their planned 3-row EV SUV, to pivot towards more Hybrids. There is still a planned EV commercial van for 2026, and 2 new EV pickups by 2027.

Tesla Model Xs are being recalled again for roof trims that can detach.

Following the recent set of EV fires in South Korea, a Tesla Model X has also recently caught on fire, which is making Koreans concerned about the safety of EVs.

 

[Meriasek]

How are there so many consecutive EV fires in Korea?

 

[Thiletonomics]

How are there so many consecutive EV fires in Korea?

Since those EV fires are happening when they're charging (i.e. that EV6 fire), and when they're not charging (the EQE fire), it's just EV things at this rate. And since the batteries had different countries of origin, as the EQE had a Chinese-made battery pack, the EV6 presumably has a Korean-made battery pack, and the Tesla Model X had a Panasonic-made battery pack from Japan, it's likely a flaw that can't easily be fixed with these things.

Also, there was another possible EV fire (a Tesla) in Lisbon, Portugal, that destroyed over 200 vehicles in a parking garage:

It's gotta be mindblowing to figure out how they're going to process the insurance claims for all of the damaged vehicles. Also, with mass EV fires like this, does the owner of the EV that starts the massive blaze held liable for the other destroyed cars? In the case of this fire, since the owner of the parking garage appeared to not have a license for roof parking, insurance companies will not cover any of these losses.

 

[Meriasek]

Since those EV fires are happening when they're charging (i.e. that EV6 fire), and when they're not charging (the EQE fire), it's just EV things at this rate.

Yeah, I was just wondering why there have been so many reports from Korea lately. Probably just coincidence.
EV fans like to claim that the fire hazard is lower than petrol cars, but I can't believe that, given the amount of reports.
Apparently used prices for EVs are pretty low in Germany these days were you can get a four year old Audi E-Tron for like 25k or so, and the EV fans will claim that battery degradation either isn't a problem anymore or will more often than not be covered by extended warranties. I'm not convinced, and while I have garage space, I don't have a charger at home and I can't charge at my weekly long distance destination either, so an EV is still out of the question for me anyway.

 

[anklyscr]

Some more EV news, which again is mostly bad:
Ford cancels their planned 3-row EV SUV, to pivot towards more Hybrids. There is still a planned EV commercial van for 2026, and 2 new EV pickups by 2027.

But how can this be?
The government and the Reddit/hackernews chads tell me that EVs are better for the environment and cheaper than a gas car. Why isn’t everyone buying them?

In other news I saw a new charger installation near my dentist. And I’ve looked up the pricing.

65p per kWh. Assuming you’re getting 3 miles per kWh that’s more expensive than my stupid fun sports car costs for all fuel and maintenance. And it’s way more than my dad’s normal family hatchback.

Remember though , here in yummyfoodthenstabbingstan gas is only about 40p per quart and the other 90p is tax. So if my gas was taxed at the same rate as electricity it would be even cheaper to run my car.

Go team EV!

 

[Meriasek]

65p per kWh. Assuming you’re getting 3 miles per kWh that’s more expensive than my stupid fun sports car costs for all fuel and maintenance. And it’s way more than my dad’s normal family hatchback.

I was thinking that that sounds like it's way too much, but then I checked and the typical charging costs really are somewhere between 50 cents and 75 cents, and more like 30 cents/kWh at home.
My compact car gets 6 l/100 km in gas, that means 10.5€ for 100 km in gas at 1.75 €/l. 3 miles/kWh and 62 miles = 100 km means 21 kWh/100 km. 60 cents/kWh yields 12.6€ for 100 km.
Of course, EV fans will tell you to just charge at home over night, but that's not always possible. It's not possible for me at all, actually, even though I have a garage spot these days. At 30 cents/kWh you'll save about 4 bucks per 100 km, but for a car that costs a lot more and is very inflexible with charging. Good thing is that gas prices are forever rising due to increasing CO2 taxes and shit, so soon BEVs will be forced to become cheaper to run.

Tbh, that kinda sounds like a shit deal, even before considering that pretty much all BEVs are ugly af and have all sorts of connectivity shit that I do not want in my car. I don't want my car to rely on software updates and have built in GPS and Internet capabilities I have no power over. And I sure af don't want massively bright LCD displays everywhere.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

so soon BEVs will be forced to become cheaper to run.

Lol aren't you the optimist. Don't forget the government as well as the eco-activists would rather you didn't have a car at all. Insane pricing resulting in unreasonable expenses is of no concern to anyone but the consumer who gets shafted w/o lube. Electricity prices are still fucked and they're not going to get any better.

VW revealed the prices for the ID.Buzz EV van, and it starts at over $61k, and a fully loaded First Edition trim with AWD will cost over $71k. I'm sure that the original VW bus wasn't this expensive in 60s or 70s dollars at the time, correct?

Lol hell no. A late 60s VW bus would cost between 20-22k new today on the sticker, adjusted for inflation.
I have a pretty good idea of why modern cars, especially EVs, cost ridiculous nonsensical amounts of money. It has to do with extreme overengineering of software. When you buy a car in 2024, you aren't just buying a hunk of metal, you're buying the automotive equivalent of a long term Photoshop license with it which you can't opt out of, and it costs about as much as you fear it does. The more electrified your car of choice is, the more software bullshit comes with it to offset the fact that you're buying an oversized toy.

 

[Meriasek]

Lol aren't you the optimist. Don't forget the government as well as the eco-activists would rather you didn't have a car at all. Insane pricing resulting in unreasonable expenses is of no concern to anyone but the consumer who gets shafted w/o lube. Electricity prices are still fucked and they're not going to get any better.

Fair enough, the real end goal is no cars (at least not for the plebs). For a short while electric cars might be cheaper to run, but when demand increases and supply dwindles (hello retarded focus on renewables and overtaxing power grids by installing shitloads of high power charging stations) the prices will again go up and ultimately make individual motorised mobility unaffordable for the regular schmucks. At most people will have electric scooters or be able to rent or rideshare sometimes.

Lol hell no. A late 60s VW bus would cost between 20-22k new today on the sticker, adjusted for inflation.
I have a pretty good idea of why modern cars, especially EVs, cost ridiculous nonsensical amounts of money. It has to do with extreme overengineering of software. When you buy a car in 2024, you aren't just buying a hunk of metal, you're buying the automotive equivalent of a long term Photoshop license with it which you can't opt out of, and it costs about as much as you fear it does. The more electrified your car of choice is, the more software bullshit comes with it to offset the fact that you're buying an oversized toy.

Worst is that it's not even necessary. They *could* just do the battery control and the necessary digital things in a simple microcontroller, robust and free from software updates and all that shit.
But I will again blame Tesla for making this iPad car design shit en vogue, and the manager caste bought it wholesale and since they're the main customers for the mid to high priced car market everyone gets in on that.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Worst is that it's not even necessary. They *could* just do the battery control and the necessary digital things in a simple microcontroller, robust and free from software updates and all that shit.

Automotive industry execs think it's necessary. Or rather they just decide for you that it is. It's true you can't have shit like "FuLL sElf dRiviNg" or automated parking without a fucking mountain of software behind it to prop it up and make it certifiably "safe", but if you have no interest in that shit soon your only option will be to buy 20+ year old cars because these retarded gimmicks are here to stay.