Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Electric vehicles are designed to break down even with regular and routine maintenance due to planned obsolescence.

Older gas vehicles honestly last a lot longer then the new pieces of crap made.
I think the planned obsolescence can be rectified by making the motor speed control software and hardware open source, much like what's going on in the RC drone and FPV community. Fat chance of that happening with DOT regulation hoops and auto companies wanting to make a profit though.
 
I think the planned obsolescence can be rectified by making the motor speed control software and hardware open source, much like what's going on in the RC drone and FPV community. Fat chance of that happening with DOT regulation hoops and auto companies wanting to make a profit though.
I'm generally hoping that once battery tech is actually going somewhere (i.e. solid state batteries) we're gonna see more conversion kits for all sorts of cars.
Now modern cars are generally extremely integrated with sensors, but I'm wondering if there'd be a way to simplify all the CAN bus bullshittery with some sort of open source package that can help deal with all the sensor data and so on.
I mean, if we're gonna look at sustainability and so on, surely it's gonna be better to convert cars that already exist and have lots of life left in their chassis rather than build new ones, right?
Also, that way you can get an electric car that isn't filled to the brim with touchscreen bullshit, GPS tracking and paywall features.
And it'd be a way to save some classic and "new classic" cars in case ICE cars are fully banned or gas becomes way too expensive. I know, heresy, but to be honest I like the principle of the electric motor. I'd gladly drive electric if the batteries weren't shite and the manufacturers weren't scum with zero taste, and if I can get the comfort of an electric motor with the style of an older car, yes please.
 
IIRC, Toyota wanted to buy the truck back from the guy so they could take it apart and figure out how the hell they managed to do it.
I think they found it was mostly highway miles. Constantly starting and stopping your engine produces a lot of stress and wears the engine out faster. For example an engine that drives 100 miles in one go will have less wear than an engine that stops and starts every 10 miles.
 
Not particularly enamored with Tesla cars for a completely autistic reason. Years ago I detailed on another thread that I knew quite a few weirdos during my time in university, one of them being a Chinese American from California who is serial liar, weirdo sex pest, from a wealthy background, who passed off his hardworking father's success as his own and recently ran for political office in California.

Well this autist is a Tesla driver and "tester", who manages to get in and test drive new models before they reach market. Managed to crash one badly enough that the Tesla forums talked about it (probably figure out who this sped is).

So yeah, I automatically associate this model of car with one of my personal lolcows.
 
Thanks, Obama.
Pretty sure that the Hydrogen source was from coal burning in Japan:lit:. But not sure.

In other words why I hate Tesla and EVs? NFPA training...
In it you will find tidbits like:
More than 20,000 gallons of water were applied to the vehicle fire, at varying rates, over at least 2 hours.
A vehicle towing service was called at 10:40 p.m. and arrived at 11:09 p.m. While the SUV was being loaded onto the tow truck, it again began to emit smoke, and the battery fire reignited
On the Tesla model 3 they say you should:
3,000 gallons of water applied directly to battery may be needed. Consider allowing to burn; can take 24 hours to extinguish.

Why I hate this? Well, its kinda hard to apply water to the underside of a burning chemical fire..... Smaller departments that are volunteer don't have the resources to stand by it for 24 hours in oxygen tanks so strike that choice and nor do we have 20,000 gallons of water to be applied. For context:

  • A usual fire engine: 500-1500+ gallons (The big truck with five gay sweaty men in it, better funded departments generally on the higher end)
  • Booster: Usually larger in the 1000+ range, but I've never heard anyone use it to put out a fire directly..
  • Off-road engine (Basically a shitty 4x4, somewhere around 250Gal in my department)
  • Total amount of air cylinders: roughly 45 for our department.Engines have 4 (Driver operator doesn't need one)+4 (side spares).
Our department has
  • 3 engines 2x1000 + 1 reserve with 500
  • 4 boosters (1x1500, 2x1000), one reserve (empty but 1000)
  • 4 off road wildland vehicles(1x500, 2x250), one empty reserve (250)
  • 1 Boat
That's a total of 7000 loaded. But you can't really use the boosters because you have to shuttle water if there is none near by (protip: in a rural area, what are hydrants???). So really about 3500 gallons. Then add in the fact that we're a volunteer department of less than two dozen, good luck getting two engines with a full crew. Oh, if there is a fixed water supply if your out in bumfuck nowhere, have fun drafting.

But wait! There's more! By the time we get there, usually it is been burning, which means the majority of the water will NEVER reach the battery.

Don't drive a EV folks outside the urban areas. Not unless they solve the issue of "how the fuck do we put this out with limited resources (Literally only cities larger than 70,000)".

Sometimes I wonder how my department functions...
 

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Pretty sure that the Hydrogen source was from coal burning in Japan:lit:. But not sure.

In other words why I hate Tesla and EVs? NFPA training...
In it you will find tidbits like:


On the Tesla model 3 they say you should:


Why I hate this? Well, its kinda hard to apply water to the underside of a burning chemical fire..... Smaller departments that are volunteer don't have the resources to stand by it for 24 hours in oxygen tanks so strike that choice and nor do we have 20,000 gallons of water to be applied. For context:

  • A usual fire engine: 500-1500+ gallons (The big truck with five gay sweaty men in it, better funded departments generally on the higher end)
  • Booster: Usually larger in the 1000+ range, but I've never heard anyone use it to put out a fire directly..
  • Off-road engine (Basically a shitty 4x4, somewhere around 250Gal in my department)
  • Total amount of air cylinders: roughly 45 for our department.Engines have 4 (Driver operator doesn't need one)+4 (side spares).
Our department has
  • 3 engines 2x1000 + 1 reserve with 500
  • 4 boosters (1x1500, 2x1000), one reserve (empty but 1000)
  • 4 off road wildland vehicles(1x500, 2x250), one empty reserve (250)
  • 1 Boat
That's a total of 7000 loaded. But you can't really use the boosters because you have to shuttle water if there is none near by (protip: in a rural area, what are hydrants???). So really about 3500 gallons. Then add in the fact that we're a volunteer department of less than two dozen, good luck getting two engines with a full crew. Oh, if there is a fixed water supply if your out in bumfuck nowhere, have fun drafting.

But wait! There's more! By the time we get there, usually it is been burning, which means the majority of the water will NEVER reach the battery.

Don't drive a EV folks outside the urban areas. Not unless they solve the issue of "how the fuck do we put this out with limited resources (Literally only cities larger than 70,000)".

Sometimes I wonder how my department functions...
Even in an urban setting I'd imagine one of these cooking off in a car park or something and spreading to nearby vehicles would easily sap a fire department.
 
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Even in an urban setting I'd imagine one of these cooking off in a car park or something and spreading to nearby vehicles would easily sap a fire department.
Considering how a 2 story building fire can sap a 6 engine department, yeah. Really depends on growth rate of the area.
The closest city near us had us backfill (We send someone on an engine to run OTHER calls for them, type of mutual aid) when anything in city caught on fire. That was a two engine alarm. A Tesla vehicle fires gonna be probably 2-3 engines (10-15 people), command vehicle (2-3 people), rehab, and probably the HAZMAT unit if they have one (2-5? Not sure since we don't have one), resupply units for air since the engine tanks only store enough for 1 hour (so that's another 3-5 people refilling/ loading cylinders, 2 at station and one driver/unloaded), Then add in 2 EMS units (4 people)
So you've got a minimum of 21 people. That's if they have the nice automatic air cylinder refilled and not the shitty manual ones.

I should mention, the ONLY EMS calls that aren't medic+engine are routine transfers (Usually that is a private company like AMR or if the hospital is large enough system they have their own).
Usually stations are 1 medic, 1 engine, with HQ having HAZMAT and Command vehicle. So in a town of 50,000 you'd have 2-4 stations.

Mutual aid is a thing but sometimes other departments are just retarded. I was running EMS once when there was a house fire call, and our Lt. was trying to not blow a gasket because the other dept we were mutual aiding (It was their call) forgot you needed to bring a vehicle capable of putting out a fire to the scene.

Edit: AMR sucks, hope you don't get them, Acadian is really good from what I've seen, and Careflight is the best but helicopter bills wew. Local private EMS providers are either really good or downright garbage, depending on funding.
 
The main issues I'm seeing with battery powered vehicles is the fact that changing the batteries will be the equivalent of rebuilding an ICE. Apparently Tesla charges over $10k to replace the battery, which is what rebuilding an old V8 ICE would cost for the best rebuild you could get. However, if you were to just do a basic engine swap paying someone, that would cost you about 2 or 3 grand at most, but if you DIY, you could spend less than $1k easily.

Another issue is the quality of vehicles in general these days. The crumple zones are a result of retards (niggers) driving like maniacs on public roads and autistic safety regulations, which to be fair are justified to an extent. Planned obsolescence itself has been a thing with everything mass produced since after the great depression, so how much are people willing to spend on an old Tesla vehicle? Not that much compared to what it was when it was first released.

What about competitor vehicles? There's the Nissan leaf, I wanna know how well the vehicle itself is holding up and if it's cheap enough to replace the battery pack. I know ChrisFix has a video explaining how to replace the battery on an old Prius, but honestly DIYing a battery change for a vehicle brings more things to worry about than just the weight of a rebuilt ICE crushing you (batteries in full EVs are apparently much heavier than ICEs, honestly didn't know that until a few weeks ago). But still, anyone who's ever changed a battery on a full EV, was it cheap to handle or are the risks too much to deal with regarding electrocution? I personally wouldn't work on either a hybrid or EV myself.

As for longevity, can anyone purchase a 30+ year old EV with ONLY the batteries/motors swapped for only $2 grand? We'll have to wait on that since EVs haven't been out that long, but for example I got my pickup truck for $2k and it's still running just fine, may need to change out the flywheel or starter since it grinds on occasion when starting but other than that (mostly) everything works.

EV also are worse for the environment than Diesel vehicles btw. I found a video that explained that a German study said that Diesel cars pollute less compared to an equivalent EV car, I'd link it but I can't find it at the moment.

So yeah, EVs are a scam, the better solution would be to use... natural gas or propane, which is easily doable on older ICEs.
 
I have a Tesla model 3 long range and the acceleration boost upgrade. This car is sweet. This car is an electric dildo that you can use to fuck traffic.:eggplant::ratface:

It’s stupid fast, handles very well, looks good, and fits the whole family comfortably for most situations. Lots of storage room and the tech is top notch.

Build quality is fine. It’s no Audi or MB, but I came from a giant late model Lexus and don’t feel like I’m giving up that much due to the minimalism. Minimalism in itself is a luxury when done right.



Reliability has been great. Almost 20k miles put on this thing since December. The tire rotations every 10k miles are done in my driveway for under $60 by mobile techs. All updates are OTA. Never set foot in service center or store since delivery.

I charge at the office for free and occasionally at home. I’ve paid very little to “fuel” this thing. Only used super chargers a few times. Range has been phenomenal. You start every day with a full charge if you have a home charger.

Everything you think you will miss from gas cars will be forgotten in a few days of owning one of these.

Zero regrets. Will trade this in on newer version in a few years or a model S, but will eventually have two teslas in the garage.

Given how many miles we put on our cars, fuel prices , and how dealers for decent ICE cars are marking up prices above MSRP under current market conditions, the things have a strong economic case.
 
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I have a Tesla model 3 long range and the acceleration boost upgrade. This car is sweet. This car is an electric dildo that you can use to fuck traffic.:eggplant::ratface:

It’s stupid fast, handles very well, looks good, and fits the whole family comfortably for most situations. Lots of storage room and the tech is top notch.

Build quality is fine. It’s no Audi or MB, but I came from a giant late model Lexus and don’t feel like I’m giving up that much due to the minimalism. Minimalism in itself is a luxury when done right.



Reliability has been great. Almost 20k miles put on this thing since December. The tire rotations every 10k miles are done in my driveway for under $60 by mobile techs. All updates are OTA. Never set foot in service center or store since delivery.

I charge at the office for free and occasionally at home. I’ve paid very little to “fuel” this thing. Only used super chargers a few times. Range has been phenomenal. You start every day with a full charge if you have a home charger.

Everything you think you will miss from gas cars will be forgotten in a few days of owning one of these.

Zero regrets. Will trade this in on newer version in a few years or a model S, but will eventually have two teslas in the garage.

Given how many miles we put on our cars, fuel prices , and how dealers for decent ICE cars are marking up prices above MSRP under current market conditions, the things have a strong economic case.
Lol like EVs aren't shooting up in price either. The only ones under 30k (aka affordable) are shit boxes.
 
Lol like EVs aren't shooting up in price either. The only ones under 30k (aka affordable) are shit boxes.
What’s your point here?

Teslas are always sold new at MSRP because there is no dealer to get in the way. Other makes (regardless if they are EV or ICE) are being marked up by dealers above MSRP increases or costs passed onto the dealer from manufacture to dealers.

I’m not going to get underwater, or fucked on a loss valuation from insurance on a new vehicle because the dealer tacked on $14k in (((local market adjustments))).

Is Tesla somehow doing something wrong by not letting the automall Jew buttfuck you for the convenience of getting in your way?
 
Almost 20k miles put on this thing since December.
I would say "keep being a guinea pig for another decade or two, see how it continues running."

But then you say this:
Will trade this in on newer version in a few years or a model S, but will eventually have two teslas in the garage.
I hate people like you, make your vehicles last, don't buy every couple of years, it's retarded and nullifies the green energy arguments. Though if you're a car guy, you're more than aware of how many more problems battery EVs have compared to ICEs.

But tell me, is it highway driving or is it stop-and-go? Because highway mileage doesn't mean shit when you're on a consistently smooth/paved road for miles and miles vs not nearly as well maintained roads/stroads in a city or town.

Also, do you *own* your EV or are you leasing/financing it for now? Not owning your vehicle to me is a big disadvantage no matter what type of vehicle you own, but if you got deep pockets that would show how well off you are if you were able to buy it outright.
 
I have a Tesla model 3 long range and the acceleration boost upgrade. This car is sweet. This car is an electric dildo that you can use to fuck traffic.:eggplant::ratface:

It’s stupid fast, handles very well, looks good, and fits the whole family comfortably for most situations. Lots of storage room and the tech is top notch.

Build quality is fine. It’s no Audi or MB, but I came from a giant late model Lexus and don’t feel like I’m giving up that much due to the minimalism. Minimalism in itself is a luxury when done right.



Reliability has been great. Almost 20k miles put on this thing since December. The tire rotations every 10k miles are done in my driveway for under $60 by mobile techs. All updates are OTA. Never set foot in service center or store since delivery.

I charge at the office for free and occasionally at home. I’ve paid very little to “fuel” this thing. Only used super chargers a few times. Range has been phenomenal. You start every day with a full charge if you have a home charger.

Everything you think you will miss from gas cars will be forgotten in a few days of owning one of these.

Zero regrets. Will trade this in on newer version in a few years or a model S, but will eventually have two teslas in the garage.

Given how many miles we put on our cars, fuel prices , and how dealers for decent ICE cars are marking up prices above MSRP under current market conditions, the things have a strong economic case.

I know that using the heater, and driving in cold weather in general, will noticeably reduce the amount of range you can drive an EV, but how much does A/C usage affect the driving range in an EV?
 
I know that using the heater, and driving in cold weather in general, will noticeably reduce the amount of range you can drive an EV, but how much does A/C usage affect the driving range in an EV?
Much less than cold. But even the cold range shrinkage can be mitigated a bit with battery conditioning routines before departure.

Also, the model 3 aerodynamics is designed to comfortably be drive At 55+ mph with the windows down without severe buffering or wind in the cabin. So it’s not as tempting to reach for the AC. The climate system is also a very efficient heat pump. So no need for separate AC and heater. It just runs in reverse for hot or cold

I would say "keep being a guinea pig for another decade or two, see how it continues running."

But then you say this:

I hate people like you, make your vehicles last, don't buy every couple of years, it's retarded and nullifies the green energy arguments. Though if you're a car guy, you're more than aware of how many more problems battery EVs have compared to ICEs.

But tell me, is it highway driving or is it stop-and-go? Because highway mileage doesn't mean shit when you're on a consistently smooth/paved road for miles and miles vs not nearly as well maintained roads/stroads in a city or town.

Also, do you *own* your EV or are you leasing/financing it for now? Not owning your vehicle to me is a big disadvantage no matter what type of vehicle you own, but if you got deep pockets that would show how well off you are if you were able to buy it outright.
I won’t be driving this car in 5 years let alone 10. Who even does that now? It’s getting traded as soon as the next major revision comes out, or I get comfortable enough to splurge in a model S or the truck if it ever comes out.

We keep our gas cars a long time, 200k. Miles, 10 years+ and maintain them exactingly with Oem parts using specialist independent mechanics. But those were all impeccably built made in Japan cars. They don’t make them like that anymore. And everything else new is built just as disposable as Teslas are these days.

Mixed highway and city traffic. Lots of country roads. The highways are rough at times.

Financed just under 50% of it at a low rate (paid sales tax outright ). I came out ahead on my totaled Lexus that I had owned outright. Threw down some cash we had Been setting aside for future vehicle. I also paid about $4k to have my home electrical system upgraded to 200A service and the 220v home charger put in (was a planned home improvement anyways). We can cover the balance of the financed amount. But why would I?. Not rich, but decent incomes, cafeful planning and being in a good spot when the insurance company cashed me out of my totaled paid for lexus, that we the Tesla made a lot of sense. Even more so with the market conditions at the time for other new and used vehicles. Not burning gas is just icing on the cake with current fuel costs. We had hoped that Biden’s Build back Brandon bill would pass and we would qualify for a big tax credit, but Dementia Joe can’t keep the few reasonable democrats in-line, and the bill didn’t pass. That sucked but we were certainly not counting on it.



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