The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

The general problem I’m seeing here on this thread and certain selected few anti-abortionists is that they WANT to punish women for getting pregnant despite the circumstances and even if the MEN want them to get abortions. Men who get the women pregnant don’t get as much heat because they’re not the one who got pregnant.

Looking at it as pregnancy should be a punishment is spiteful thing. It’s no better than asking to have many more abused and neglected kids in foster care when the system itself already has TOO many children to care for & people in the system with no proper education but a high school degree.

But no one says anything about advocating for more and affordable means to teach safe sex, reform foster care and etc.

Once the baby is out of the womb no one cares right? Pro life?
There's also always the presumption that only giga sluts get abortions. While it's probably true they get more of them, it's like they never consider that accidents happen to monogamous couples that are incapable of taking care of a kid. Always a whore for some reason.
 
Yet you keep pointing it out
You don't know what you're talking about re: men because you've never had a relationship with a man that didn't use or abuse you. You have no standing to talk about a bodily autonomy you rented out to people.

This isn't "falling back" on anything-- it's the same as pointing out a former inmate at least has immense difficulty readjusting to civilian life. It's absolutely relevant.

I don't have to resist being called an incel by the likes of you, especially when your swearing is as put on as it is. I'd sooner value a paraplegic ripping into me for walking slow.

No sane person actually likes abortions
Emphasis mine.

It’s really gross how he hates women so much that he wants to keep blaming women for being absused and beaten.
Most women manage to not get beaten black and blue by pimps because they don't do drugs and thereafter become reliant on pimps and johns in the first place.

you literally cannot stop people from having sex.
>People will find ways to abort babies & get rid of them whether you like it or not.

And they still commit murders despite the act being made illegal. Point? Just like murder, being a whore is still wrong, even if "people will find ways" to do it.
There's value in recognizing and accounting for human shortcoming. The problem with communism, for example, is that it first and foremost is a fantasy that's deliberately ignorant of the vices of men and therefore doesn't account for them in its "prophecy" of the ascendant proletariat.

But-- putting aside that I don't trust Current Year + 8 teachers to not groom children under the pretense of teaching them about "safe sex"-- the idea that we need to cushion people from the consequences of their actions instead of dealing with the genesis of age-inappropriate behavior (it's expected and understandable that teenagers would want to have sex, but the general, psychological, and financial consequences of any of its potential aftermaths cannot be readily borne as teenagers) is just a modernist band-aid as opposed to a realistic reckoning with reality.

We live in a highly sexualized society. It's becoming more common for women to begin openly prostituting themselves-- virtually or otherwise-- as soon as they turn 18, which actually means that they started at least a couple years prior. Among young men, of course, there was already the issue of them regarding sex as a rite of passage (i.e. such boys sought to use a woman's body in order to "become a man" or otherwise gain a sense of self-worth). Children are absolutely inundated with sexual imagery, even without being exposed to pornographic sites whose biggest deterrent against improper access by children is a "Scouts' honor" question (and they know what they're doing).

All of this is getting multifariously worse, not better.

It's not that people are just having sex "and we can't stop them". In the past, teen pregnancies used to be much lower than they are now-- part of that, I'm sure, was that there was an expectation that you had to take responsibility and marry someone you impregnated. Sometimes that responsibility was taken while staring down a sawed-off shotgun.

You can argue that's not coming back, and it likely isn't (there's no cause for it, currently), but my point is that "decreasing the number of pregnancy cases wherein abortion would be readily contemplated" isn't something that's even substantially solved with "introduce kids to condoms and Plan B". The issue is deeper and much more grave. And I believe that with the treatment of those issues, part of the cause for "popularity" (for lack of a better term) of abortion would be obviated.

...doesn't mean the institution can't also be attacked directly. But only attacking it directly is as bad as the aforementioned modernist band-aid.
 
Yeah but forced marriage due to being pregnant might lower the numbers of abortions sure but it doesn’t save your marriage it just forces you to be with someone you might not want to be with in the future.
 
There's also always the presumption that only giga sluts get abortions. While it's probably true they get more of them, it's like they never consider that accidents happen to monogamous couples that are incapable of taking care of a kid. Always a whore for some reason.

If you are having sex with the intention to use abortion as contraception, that means you are willing to commit murder in the name of preserving your ability to have the warm funny feeling between your legs for 10 seconds. It doesn't get much more whorish than that. And it goes for men and women both, but people like you only care about women and see men as disposable, so. Whore is the label of choice.
 
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I won't even bother with your cock sucking rants anymore, breh. That shit is getting pathetic.
Abortion isn't killing a human being.
It's literally ending a human life.
You just want to punish women who have sex
Yes.
Either stop having sex, or cut your shit up so you wouldn't have to kill a fucking baby just to have sex.
Oh, you're a QAnoner, too? Everyone who isn't a right-wing retard white nationalist neonazi like you is a pedo, we get it.
Retard, in the past couple of days I was called a fake Christian, pagan, nazi, Putin lover, none of which is remotely true, all because I say that killing a baby is what it is.
You leftoid lunatics won't impress anyone with this nazi calling others nazis bullshit. This isn't twitter.
 
So an infant is not a person, but you shouldn't be able to kill it, but a fetus is also not a person, and you should be able to kill it? Where is the logic here?



Your position is the one that views pregnancy as a punishment, something to be avoided via abortion. No pro-life person views bearing children and procreating as a "punishment."



Do you think abortion is wrong even when the child was conceived through consensual sex? As is the case in 98-99% of pregnancies. Since you are fond of posting random articles as if they matter:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ew-abortions-so-why-all-attention/1211175001/

"Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute."
It still happens and late term abortions are Even rarer but anti choicers still bring them up so what is wrong with us bringing up rape? Especially when republicans are passing laws banning even that

I will not give brith to a rape baby or a fucked up retarted potato baby either deal with it
 
There's also always the presumption that only giga sluts get abortions. While it's probably true they get more of them, it's like they never consider that accidents happen to monogamous couples that are incapable of taking care of a kid. Always a whore for some reason.
Most women who get abortions are usually poorer often black and Hispanic women who already have like 8 kids white and Asian women are very underrepresented in women who get abortions the overwhelming amount of abortions happen because the parent can’t afford to take care of a child

They created this stereotype of a thot who gets abortion for fun it’s retarded
 
You don't know what you're talking about re: men because you've never had a relationship with a man that didn't use or abuse you. You have no standing to talk about a bodily autonomy you rented out to people.

This isn't "falling back" on anything-- it's the same as pointing out a former inmate at least has immense difficulty readjusting to civilian life. It's absolutely relevant.

I don't have to resist being called an incel by the likes of you, especially when your swearing is as put on as it is. I'd sooner value a paraplegic ripping into me for walking slow.
people like you should've been aborted instead of living.
 
It still happens and late term abortions are Even rarer but anti choicers still bring them up so what is wrong with us bringing up rape? Especially when republicans are passing laws banning even that

I will not give brith to a rape baby or a fucked up retarted potato baby either deal with it

You should bring up rape, I agree. Do you think abortion is wrong if the child is conceived through consensual sex?

Most women who get abortions are usually poorer often black and Hispanic women who already have like 8 kids white and Asian women are very underrepresented in women who get abortions the overwhelming amount of abortions happen because the parent can’t afford to take care of a child

They created this stereotype of a thot who gets abortion for fun it’s retarded

How and why are these people getting pregnant if they know that they "can't afford" to have the child and intend to simply kill them instead? Are they all being raped?
 
So an infant is not a person, but you shouldn't be able to kill it, but a fetus is also not a person, and you should be able to kill it? Where is the logic here?
Literally proving my point about you being one note. There's other factors I'm considering retard.

to have the warm funny feeling between your legs for 10 seconds
Lol confirmed for being shit in bed.

And it goes for men and women both, but people like you only care about women and see men as disposable, so.
Your newfag ratings are off the charts.

If you are having sex with the intention to use abortion as contraception,
Once again proving my point as your responding to me. You must be some third world shitskin because you can't read English lmfao.

How and why are these people getting pregnant if they know that they "can't afford" to have the child and intend to simply kill them instead? Are they all being raped?
You see son, when a man loves a woman very much...
 
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So men have all of the accountability and none of the agency? Again, this sounds like actual misandry to me.
Me: hey if a man and a woman have sex and abortion is illegal, shouldn't men also be held accountable if a woman gets an abortion?

You: WHAT DO YOU MEAN MEN SHOULD TAKE ALL THE ACCOUNTABILITY

I'm surprised you haven't drowned in your own saliva, you fucking retard.
 
Yeah but forced marriage due to being pregnant might lower the numbers of abortions sure but it doesn’t save your marriage it just forces you to be with someone you might not want to be with in the future.
...kind of how people get married normally with someone they might not want to be with in the future?

I'm all on that "no sex before marriage" business but, at the least, have sex with someone with whom you can imagine starting a family or even just being in a long term relationship...

Did you know that getting beaten black and blue not only comes from drug dealers and pimps but from wolf in sheep’s clothing who appear normal in actual life? Some people don’t know the signs until it’s too late.
Indeed. Most of the time, however, it's obvious that the abuser is, at minimum, ain't-shit. In those situations, the to-be-abused (or, at least to-be-suffering) themselves is not in a good state of mind and has considered what they perceive to stand to gain from that relationship to outweigh the fact that they're signing up for a world of hurt.

I don't think people that are pimping could ever pass as a meek soyboy.

people like you should've been aborted instead of living.
Cute.
 
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I'm factoring in kohndiss.

And back to coping and sneeding we go.

Indeed. Most of the time, however, it's obvious that the abuser is, at minimum, ain't-shit. In those situations, the to-be-abused (or, at least to-be-suffering) themselves is not in a good state of mind and has considered what they perceive to stand to gain from that relationship to outweigh the fact that they're signing up for a world of hurt.

I don't think people that are pimping could ever pass as a meek soyboy.

What's funny about this talking point is that it implies Hispanic and especially black men are highly violent to women. Since those are the two races getting the most abortions.
 
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At one time in the past, slavery was as divisive as abortion is now. So divisive that we even went to war over it. But people who thought that debate would never be settled were wrong.
While the abolition movement was based on moral grounds, I think a big part of the reason it succeeded was also pragmatic, in that technological advancements made slavery-based economies less effective. And I suspect abortion will be similar, as we develop more reliable methods of contraception at some point unplanned/unwanted pregnancies will become basically non-existent so there will be no more need for abortions.
 
While the abolition movement was based on moral grounds, I think a big part of the reason it succeeded was also pragmatic, in that technological advancements made slavery-based economies less effective. And I suspect abortion will be similar, as we develop more reliable methods of contraception at some point unplanned/unwanted pregnancies will become basically non-existent so there will be no more need for abortions.

One can certainly hope, though I would obviously argue that there is never any "need" for baby murder. But, as a counter-point to the notion that pragmatism matters more than morality: Trannies.

There is nothing less pragmatic in this world than trannies. And yet.
 
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