The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Lurker]

i just love how you know it's mostly men arguing against abortion, at least here on the farms. men, who will never have to carry the baby, who will never suffer from all of the shit that happens post-pregnancy, think they get to deny women their bodily autonomy. until you can get pregnant, men, you really have no place denying women of something that you yourself will never have to experience.

i mean, shit, at least anti-choice women have a leg to stand on. i certainly don't agree with them, but at least they have a fucking idea of what pregnancy and childbirth is.

edit: also only a fucking male would go "JUST USE BIRTH CONTROL" with no regard for the side effects. i know that kinda recently there was a potential male birth control pill, but men didn't like it because "it had side effects". strange that the stronger, more powerful sex can't handle some teeny tiny side effects, yet women, the weaker, fairer sex, are expected to.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

The point here is to remove the "but mommy can't afford a kid" argument. That would actually be a valid concern in a place like Africa where there might actually be a question of how you are going to provide for the child. Here in America where you have 36 couples looking to adopt per 1 child actually offered up, it's not. Of course, it still wouldn't justify simply offing the kid, but it adds an additional reason why this talking point is retarded.



You are right that it's hard for older kids to be adopted, but we are talking about abortion in this thread, i.e. a case where the mother decided pre-birth that she does not want a child. Hence, if she were to carry the child to term and still feel that way, she could and would instantly put them up for adoption as a newborn.



Do you think killing the kid is a better alternative?

The reason why you don’t see people throwing babies in rivers cause they are too poor to feed them in the first world is because of welfare (economic disparity is smaller here). abortion and birth control AKA no one is popping out 10 kids here

In the past and outside of west where access to contraception,abortion and welfare are scarce if not illegal people would kill babies in horrifying ways

Take away all this and you’re asking for infanticide to come back you know what happened to Romania when they banned abortion, right?

 

[gang weeder]

Nigger what? This has to be some 4D trolling tactic.

Still waiting for your explanation of how/why a fetus isn't a person but an infant is. "Nigger what lol trolling" isn't an answer.

and yet that doesn't address that you're still forcing a woman to give birth against her will.

As opposed to murdering the child, yes.

you're removing a clump of cells, in most cases. maybe you conflate a clump of cells with a living child, but i do not.

What makes a fetus a "clump of cells" but an infant not?

Because one is sentient and the other isn't.

There is no reason to believe infants are sentient.

It's quite hypocritical of you to vehemently oppose abortion so much while calling single moms "welfare queens" and putting all the responsibility of providing for the child onto the mother. You don't think the men should have to provide.

I think the fathers should absolutely provide. But not random strangers who have no connection to the situation or are even aware that the parties involved exist.

What? Once a child is born, does their life suddenly not matter to you anymore? Why don't you want them to have happy healthy lives?

I oppose killing children due to their birth circumstances specifically because I think their life has intrinsic worth. Pro-abortion is the position of people who consider human life disposable based on arbitrary criteria.

It’s not just ability to pain one is actually a human being

So what does?

I think baby killing is wrong ofc but a fetus isn’t a baby.

This is not at all self-evident, and the incoherence of the pro-abortion position is that you always have to act like it is self-evident and shouldn't need explanation. The pictures you provided actually make it quite clear that the fetus is in fact a human being. It is smaller and less developed than the baby pictured above it, but that's what it is, an earlier stage of development in the same continuous organism.

Like stated in the article people only stopped killing babies (in the west,it still happens outside the developed world) when we stopped having too many of them welfare and abortion stop real honest to god baby murder.

Abortion, being baby murder, definitionally cannot stop "real honest to god baby murder." The exact same practice of killing children due to concern over the parents' financial situation is being carried out, it's just being done before the child is born rather than after. Maybe it's a bit less messy when the child is unable to scream in pain or physically resist yet, but that does not change the fundamental nature of the act.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

i just love how you know it's mostly men arguing against abortion, at least here on the farms. men, who will never have to carry the baby, who will never suffer from all of the shit that happens post-pregnancy, think they get to deny women their bodily autonomy. until you can get pregnant, men, you really have no place denying women of something that you yourself will never have to experience.

i mean, shit, at least anti-choice women have a leg to stand on. i certainly don't agree with them, but at least they have a fucking idea of what pregnancy and childbirth is.

edit: also only a fucking male would go "JUST USE BIRTH CONTROL" with no regard for the side effects. i know that kinda recently there was a potential male birth control pill, but men didn't like it because "it had side effects". strange that the stronger, more powerful sex can't handle some teeny tiny side effects, yet women, the weaker, fairer sex, are expected to.

None of them get laid they want abortion banned cause it reminds them women are fucking men who aren’t them

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

i just love how you know it's mostly men arguing against abortion, at least here on the farms. men, who will never have to carry the baby, who will never suffer from all of the shit that happens post-pregnancy, think they get to deny women their bodily autonomy. until you can get pregnant, men, you really have no place denying women of something that you yourself will never have to experience.

It's weaponised impotence. They seldom if ever focus on a woman's experiential properties. They just rant on and on and on about how they feel and how women ought to behave. Look at how desperate they are to control the narrative by responding to every point, no matter how trivial. Pure, unbridled powerlessness and failure at manhood.

 

[HissingBastard]

If you actually believe baby-killing is justified if you're poor, then come on out and say it. It'd be a more intellectually honest position than this absurd pretense that a child is somehow magically conferred personhood only when it is pushed out of the vagina.

I believe that baby-killing is justified if the baby is non-sentient and the end of it's existence is beneficial to society. A pre-viability fetus has the same level of sentience as an unfertilized egg or a sperm cell.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

There is no reason to believe infants are sentient.

I was being pedantic when I told her that the word was sapient not sentient, but you're being straight up retarded mate.

 

[Lurker]

What makes a fetus a "clump of cells" but an infant not?

...sentience?

There is no reason to believe infants are sentient.

nigga are you for real?

 

[snailslime]

There is no reason to believe infants are sentient.

Uh yes there is? Lol are you high or something?

I think the fathers should absolutely provide. But not random strangers who have no connection to the situation or are even aware that the parties involved exist.

Then why should you get a say in what a strange woman does to her fetus.

I oppose killing children due to their birth circumstances specifically because I think their life has intrinsic worth. Pro-abortion is the position of people who consider human life disposable based on arbitrary criteria.

Young fetuses are not really "alive".

This is not at all self-evident, and the incoherence of the pro-abortion position is that you always have to act like it is self-evident and shouldn't need explanation. The pictures you provided actually make it quite clear that the fetus is in fact a human being. It is smaller and less developed than the baby pictured above it, but that's what it is, an earlier stage of development in the same continuous organism.

It is not a human being.

Abortion, being baby murder

Fake definition.

definitionally cannot stop "real honest to god baby murder." The exact same practice of killing children due to concern over the parents' financial situation is being carried out, it's just being done before the child is born rather than after. Maybe it's a bit less messy when the child is unable to scream in pain or physically resist yet, but that does not change the fundamental nature of the act.

Those are not similar situations at all.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

3. By this logic not allowing infanticide is also "forcing the woman to have the child."

Except you are forcing them to. People are gonna fuck. I know that makes you incels upset, but people are gonna fuck. Abstinent sexual education leads to more teen pregnancies than teaching about proper use of birth control and access to it, both of which you evangelicals are against.

4. You still didn't answer the question the question lol. Is the implication that not being in favor of infinite gibs proportional to amount of children = "not giving a fuck about the fetus after it's born?" You have to be in favor of infinite gibs forever to be pro-life, and if you think welfare is stupid, you also have to be in favor of murdering kids so that the welfare system isn't burdened by them?

What does it matter? You retards don't give a shit about the kid once it's born. It can starve for all you care. You just want to punish the harlots who have sex because you're a good little Republican puritan.

2. Really this is the most important thing. "A fetus isn't a child." So you recognize that if we were talking about a child, all your other talking points about muh welfare this and muh body autonomy that would instantly be irrelevant because not killing children supersedes all that bullshit. Good. This reveals that the core issue is simply whether a fetus is a person or not, and everything else you are saying is copes and deflection.

A fetus isn't a child, but it doesn't matter. You American Taliban want to take away women's body autonomy. You want to force them to give birth, no matter their circumstances. If they can't afford it, too bad; they don't get welfare either if you retards had your way.

Looking at you, I'm not even that mad lol

You usually are upset. But in all seriousness, why do you white knight Nazis? They tried to take over your country 80 years ago. I get you're a low IQ simpleton, but that seems stupid to me

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

@gang weeder

If you think killing this.
Is equal to aborting this


Get help.

That’s all.

 

[Lurker]

@gang weeder

If you think killing this.View attachment 3140820
Is equal to aborting this
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Get help.

That’s all.

THEY'RE THE SAME GENERAL SHAPE AND THEREFORE EXACTLY THE SAME

LOOK AT HOW SENTIENT THAT FETUS LOOKS. LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT THOSE INCREDIBLY EXPRESSIVE SENTIENT EYES AND TELL ME THAT FETUS ISN'T INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM A LIVING, BREATHING, BABY.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

You usually are upset. But in all seriousness, why do you white knight Nazis? They tried to take over your country 80 years ago. I get you're a low IQ simpleton, but that seems stupid to me

They value brute strength, authoritarian aestheticism and the need to project a superiority that purges their individual shortcomings. Nazism gives them just that.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

You usually are upset. But in all seriousness, why do you white knight Nazis? They tried to take over your country 80 years ago. I get you're a low IQ simpleton, but that seems stupid to me

Nigga I have never seen you not spam the same spaztick bullshit over and over again without adding a barrel of applications (implications) into the mix. You do that shit all the fucking time, and I'm the one "usually" upset? That's a fine line between you and me breh
No shit you niggas want to kill babies so bad. You're just that fucking miserable in your own lives that you might as well 'spare' others from theirs lol

 

[Lurker]

Nigga I have never seen you not spam the same spaztick bullshit over and over again without adding a barrel of applications into the mix. You do that shit all the fucking time, and I'm the one "usually" upset? That's a fine line between you and me breh
Not shit you niggas want to kill babies so bad. You're just that fucking miserable in your own lives that you might as well 'spare' others from theirs lol

considering you've only been here for a year, i'd argue that you have missed roughly 8 years of content from our lovely @Hollywood Hulk Hogan, therefore your observations and opinions about his posts are meaningless. go hump a pillow or something, incel.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

considering you've only been here for a year, i'd argue that you have missed roughly 8 years of content from our lovely @Hollywood Hulk Hogan, therefore your observations and opinions about his posts are meaningless. go hump a pillow or something, incel.

So what you're saying is he wasn't always a wacko spambot before?
I doubt that shit boi lol

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Still waiting for your explanation of how/why a fetus isn't a person but an infant is. "Nigger what lol trolling" isn't an answer.

You literally argued the pro abortion stance, that's what I was referring to. I feel no need to sperg with you further if you're that disorganized.

 

[snailslime]

So what you're saying is he wasn't always a wacko smapbot before?
I doubt that shit boi lol

not nearly as much as you.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

not nearly as much as you.

Must've been drawn into the habit by having to share a conversation with a bunch of insane leftoids lol

 

[Lurker]

So what you're saying is he wasn't always a wacko spambot before?
I doubt that shit boi lol

in the same way that we tell trannies YWNBAW, i think my initialism for you will be YWNGL or You Will Never Get Laid