The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

My first issue is that you make some presumption that pro-lifers are uniformly white.

No, I make the assumption that probably 90% of the people on this site are white. If you can't figure out why I think that then I definitely don't think you should be offering your opinion on anything.

so you have to paint your interlocutors as racists

As you accuse me of being racist

selectively apathetic and morally inconsistent

Because you are. It's not a Question, it's a fact. There isn't a single pro life argument that doesn't track back to the bible in which abortion, to the degree I remember, never comes up, catholic dogma, or straight up uneducated shit.

It's highly unlikely anybody's hiding anything from you regarding their views.

Yeah I'm sure you moralfag this much in your offline life lol.

Also, this applies to you:

1. Come up with your own clap backs
2. I'm not saying indefensible things just because you don't agree nigga.

 

[Android raptor]

Not that by itself (I go by the "make them laugh by being a cheeky bastard" route) but women aren't going to want your autistic dick in them if you think they don't deserve autonomy over their body

Shit, one of my friends refusing to date dudes that won't give her a clear answer on whether they'll support her getting an abortion if she gets pregnant.

@The 8 Of Spades I post in A&H too, but I mean like, t h o s e A&H posters. The /pol/ reject types that joined after Christchurch. The ones even papi null has complained about shitting up the rest of the site with conspiracy theories about Jews and other faggotry

 

[Lemmingwise]

Not that by itself (I go by the "make them laugh by being a cheeky bastard" route) but women aren't going to want your autistic dick in them if you think they don't deserve autonomy over their body

Go look at protests against abortion. Plenty of women there.

Besides, what woman goes "oh before we have sex, what do you think about abortion?" The autistic thing is to think that becomes a topic of conversation before you're in a relationship.

 

[Sanshain]

Because you are. It's not a Question, it's a fact. There isn't a single pro life argument that doesn't track back to the bible in which abortion, to the degree I remember, never comes up, catholic dogma, or straight up uneducated shit.

The bible explicitly states that an unborn child's life is valued to the same degree as that of an adult. It makes no distinction regarding development times. The Law Code was explicit; if a man performs an action that results in the termination of a pregnancy, no matter how far along it was, that man is to be put to death immediately. Life for life.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

No, I make the assumption that probably 90% of the people on this site are white.

What's the value of your distinction?

As you accuse me of being racist

Where?

Because you are. It's not a Question, it's a fact. There isn't a single pro life argument that doesn't track back to the bible

Not that this has anything to do with moral inconsistency and selective apathy, but I've never referred to the Bible in a single argument against abortion I've posted on this site because it's more than sufficient to make arguments from ontology. You're free to search for my arguments in this thread to verify this fact, but most of the pro-life arguments in this thread don't cite any religious dogma.

Yeah I'm sure you moralfag this much in your offline life lol.

Do you "moralfag" when you decry pedophiles?

Of course, I don't intend to call you a pedo apologist, but rather I'm asserting that everyone has morals that they uphold everywhere (or maybe you don't, and you're actually morally inconsistent).

1. Come up with your own clap backs

I don't need to re-invent the wheel.

2. I'm not saying indefensible things just because you don't agree nigga.

If you could defend your position, there'd be no point in playing the "do you know where we are" card without even investigating why your interlocutor is a member on this site.

 

[Android raptor]

Go look at protests against abortion. Plenty of women there.

Besides, what woman goes "oh before we have sex, what do you think about abortion?" The autistic thing is to think that becomes a topic of conversation before you're in a relationship.

One of my friends actually does that before dating dudes. She refuses to date anyone that won't give her a clear answer on if they support her getting an abortion if she gets pregnant.

The bible explicitly states that an unborn child's life is valued to the same degree as that of an adult. It makes no distinction regarding development times. The Law Code was explicit; if a man performs an action that results in the termination of a pregnancy, no matter how far along it was, that man is to be put to death immediately. Life for life.

What passage? Because last I knew the bible said if you injure a woman and she miscarries you pay for damage to property only. Also, if you think your wife cheated you force her to drink this weird shit that will kill the fetus if she cheated.

Either way what the Bible says about abortion is irrelevant to US law because the US is not a theocracy.

 

[Lemmingwise]

One of my friends actually does that before dating dudes. She refuses to date anyone that won't give her a clear answer on if they support her getting an abortion if she gets pregnant.

Your friend is very romantic to bring up abortions before going out on a date with someone.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

What passage? Because last I knew the bible said if you injure a woman and she miscarries you pay for damage to property only.

Exodus 21:22-23. The fine only occurs if there's no actual injury, i.e. they can't prove that you striking the woman caused the miscarriage. Literally, in the next verse, it commands the death sentence if there was injury and she miscarried-- "life for life", it says.

Also, if you think your wife cheated you force her to drink this weird shit that will kill the fetus if she cheated.

Numbers 5:19-23. It doesn't kill the fetus-- it renders the woman barren... and that's if you understand "thigh" to be a euphemism for her reproductive organs, as opposed to her literal thigh (like Maimonides did-- in which case you understand it as the thigh rupturing and the woman dying).

Either way what the Bible says about abortion is irrelevant to US law because the US is not a theocracy.

Nobody was talking about the U.S., there.

 

[Android raptor]

Your friend is very romantic to bring up abortions before going out on a date with someone.

She just doesn't want to be with a dude that doesn't believe she should have bodily autonomy. That's actually one of the reasons she divorced her ex husband, he wouldn't give a clear answer on whether he'd support her getting an abortion if she got pregnant.

So yes, there definitely are women that won't fuck men who think they shouldn't have control over their own bodies.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Do you "moralfag" when you decry pedophiles

tacit admission that they've realized their original point was completely indefensible and stupid

Imagine quoting that at me and then saying abortion is comparable to raping children.

Exodus 21:22-23. The fine only occurs if there's no actual injury, i.e. they can't prove that you striking the woman caused the miscarriage. Literally, in the next verse, it commands the death sentence if there was injury and she miscarried-- "life for life", it says.

Oh, so you're Jewish? Because otherwise, nothing in the old testament applies to you unless you're going to argue that the point of Jesus dying for our sins wasn't literally changing who the covenant was with and what God demanded of people.

The bible explicitly states that an unborn child's life is valued to the same degree as that of an adult. It makes no distinction regarding development times. The Law Code was explicit; if a man performs an action that results in the termination of a pregnancy, no matter how far along it was, that man is to be put to death immediately. Life for life.

Ah, thanks. It's been a while since I went on my "read all the holy books" adventure.

 

[Lemmingwise]

She just doesn't want to be with a dude that doesn't believe she should have bodily autonomy. That's actually one of the reasons she divorced her ex husband, he wouldn't give a clear answer on whether he'd support her getting an abortion if she got pregnant.

So yes, there definitely are women that won't fuck men who think they shouldn't have control over their own bodies.

I'd probably laugh myself silly if I got that question when asking someone on a date.

Maybe I should start asking women if they have an STD before I write down her number too.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Imagine quoting that at me and then saying abortion is comparable to raping children.

Are you trying to make a point, here? Because my argument was that we tend to apply our moral frameworks regardless of where we are. I mentioned pedophilia because I wanted to choose an example of this that would be very unlikely to be lost on you.

Oh, so you're Jewish? Because otherwise, nothing in the old testament applies to you unless you're going to argue that the point of Jesus dying for our sins wasn't literally changing who the covenant was with and what God demanded of people.

Specifically, it was to "complete" it, so that it could actually be eternally salvific, rather than to abolish it. Consequently, according to Paul Christians are meant to understand Mosaic Law as a schoolteacher that at least got them to the halfway mark-- depending on the domain of a particular commandment, it has moral import that still clarifies Christian living.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Are you trying to make a point, here? Because my argument was that we tend to apply our moral frameworks regardless of where we are. I mentioned pedophilia because I wanted to choose an example of this that would be very unlikely to be lost on you.

That doesn't really change that you apparently think that abortion is comparable to raping children.

Specifically, it was to "complete" it, so that it could actually be eternally salvific, rather than to abolish it. Consequently, according to Paul Christians are meant to understand Mosaic Law as a schoolteacher that at least got them to the halfway mark-- depending on the domain of a particular commandment, it has moral import that still clarifies Christian living.

So do you burn a lot of animals at your church? You don't eat shellfish or pork? No mixed textiles? No?

Weird, it's almost like Judaism and Christianity are completely different religions. I mean, if we're going to get theological about this, it's entirely arguable that YHWH and the Christian god are different gods. I've never seen an intelligible argument to why all of the sudden a bronze age warrior and storm deity that demanded sacrifices and death of all non-israelites decided he was going to get all emotional and change literally everything he wanted for...reasons?

 

[Lemmingwise]

it's almost like Judaism and Christianity and completely different religions

Weren't you the one saying he was the other?

if we're going to get theological about this, it's entirely arguable that YHWH and the Christian god are different gods

If you're goin to get theological about it, both exclude the other from existing at all. From each of their perspectives, they're not different gods, because there is only their own. That's pretty much the basis of the monotheistic religions.

It is your contention that the old testament must necessarily be jewish, as if unlike christianity, jewish faith has remained unchanged from the time that christianity started.

 

[Android raptor]

I'd probably laugh myself silly if I got that question when asking someone on a date.

Maybe I should start asking women if they have an STD before I write down her number too.

I mean yeah, it's generally good for people to communicate if they have an STD before fucking too. You don't want to be like Shia Lebouf and fuck a bunch of people and not tell them you have herpes.

Laughing at women for asking if you'd be ok with them getting an abortion is a good way to get ghosted.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I mean yeah, it's generally good for people to communicate if they have an STD before fucking too. You don't want to be like Shia Lebouf and fuck a bunch of people and not tell them you have herpes.

Laughing at women for asking if you'd be ok with them getting an abortion is a good way to get ghosted.

Lmao you really are autistic.

 

[Android raptor]

Lmao you really are autistic.

I am, but being honest about shit like STDs with potential sexual partners is just common sense. Spreading shit without telling people is a dick move, and with serious diseases like HIV you could even kill someone.

Seriously, don't stealthpoz people. That's fucked up.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Weren't you the one saying he was the other

I asked in a joking fashion, I don't believe I said he was one or the other as I'm just pivoting off his arguments

If you're goin to get theological about it, both exclude the other from existing at all. From each of their perspectives, they're not different gods, because there is only their own. That's pretty much the basis of the monotheistic religions.

A religion being monotheistic doesn't preclude multiple gods, it just means said religion doesn't believe the other gods are real.

It is your contention that the old testament must necessarily be jewish, as if unlike christianity, jewish faith has remained unchanged from the time that christianity started.

My contention that the Torah is, depending on who you ask, either the 5 books of Moses or Genesis to the end of the chronicles while it would be impossible to be a Christian until millennia after those were written. You can't go "oh uh yeah I like some of this jewish stuff, let's throw it in this religion that didn't exist then." If they're so similar, explain the sheer amount of pogroms with Christian beliefs as the basis used to justify it to the masses. That's weird to me if they're that similar.

 

[Nom Carver]

I am

That explains so much.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

That doesn't really change that you apparently think that abortion is comparable to raping children.

Again, that's not the point of the comment. Now you're being unresponsive.

Weird, it's almost like Judaism and Christianity are completely different religions.

Yes.

Or rather, it's more like Judaism (for your sake, let's disregard that the modern orthodox Judaism is a surviving sect of the Second Temple period, as is Christianity) and Christianity have competing claims of being the one true faith of the one true God.

A religion being monotheistic doesn't preclude multiple gods, it just means said religion doesn't believe the other gods are real.

What distinction are you making?

My contention that the Torah is, depending on who you ask, either the 5 books of Moses or Genesis to the end of the chronicles while it would be impossible to be a Christian until millennia after those were written.

Firstly, you had it right the first time-- the Torah is the Pentateuch, don't concern yourself with wrong answers. Secondly, what are you going on about? By Pentecost, those books had been scribed over and over for centuries.