The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Vince McMahon]

It's ironic how you don't see it. Removing life support, just like removing the fetus from the woman, is not murder.

The term murder isn't confined to the legal definition.

The modern English word "murder" descends from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) *mŕ̥-trom which meant "killing", a noun derived from PIE *mer- "to die".

Hence, one can say that "x murdered y" even if it wasn't an unlawful killing.

In this case, I'm free to say that abortion is murder, because it involves someone killing a human being. It may be lawful, it may not have a malicious, premeditated motive but it's still a killing. Hence it could still be called "a murder", because it's an act of killing.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The term murder isn't confined to the legal definition.

The modern English word "murder" descends from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) *mŕ̥-trom which meant "killing", a noun derived from PIE *mer- "to die".

Hence, one can say that "x murdered y" even if it wasn't an unlawful killing.

So you think removing life support from a sick patient is murder?

 

[Vince McMahon]

So you think removing life support from a sick patient is murder?

Irrespective of the potential confines of the hypothetical situation you're presenting, which is ill-defined, there's a difference between allowing natural death to occur and preventing the complete formation of the viable human organism.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Irrespective of the potential confines of the hypothetical situation you're presenting, which is ill-defined, there's a difference between allowing natural death to occur and preventing the complete formation of the viable human organism.

I disagree.

Abortion isn't murder to the vast majority of people.

Also, you still haven't answered my question. Are you willing to expend welfare programs to help poor mothers that you'd be forcing to have babies?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Abortion isn't murder to the vast majority of people.

This statement requires fact-checking and proof. Otherwise, the statement is meaningless as an appeal.

 

[Wood]

And removing that life support if someone is on life support isn't murder.

Lol what the fuck that absolutely is murder.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Lol what the fuck that absolutely is murder.

No it's not or every doctor on earth would be guilty of murder

 

[Wood]

No it's not or every doctor on earth would be guilty of murder

Wasn't there some nurse convicted of killing people by pulling them off life support

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Wasn't there some nurse convicted of killing people by pulling them off life support

Well, yeah, if it's unwarranted it is. But if the family decides to pull the plug, it's not murder. This would be a similar case, as in, the mother would want to "pull the plug"

 

[Wood]

Well, yeah, if it's unwarranted it is. But if the family decides to pull the plug, it's not murder. This would be a similar case, as in, the mother would want to "pull the plug"

It's pretty different to pull the plug on someone who would normally die and someone who would normally live.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's pretty different to pull the plug on someone who would normally die and someone who would normally live.

I disagree. If someone is on life support, they're on life support. Pulling the plug when the family (or mother) wants it is pulling the plug when the family wants it.

If you don't like abortions, that's fine, but don't get one then. Don't force others to abide by your evangelical laws

The state cannot force someone to give bone marrow for a transplant, nor can it force someone to give blood, therefore it shouldn't be able to force a woman to give her uterus for a fetus

 

[Wood]

I disagree. If someone is on life support, they're on life support. Pulling the plug when the family (or mother) wants it is pulling the plug when the family wants it.

What? No one will allow this based only on the family's request. They will (hopefully) take patient's prognosis into account. The same should happen with a fetus.

Don't force others to abide by your evangelical laws

I'm sorry I made you regret making this analogy.

The state cannot force someone to give bone marrow for a transplant, nor can it force someone to give blood, therefore it shouldn't be able to force a woman to give her uterus for a fetus

I'm not gonna address this because others have already.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What? No one will allow this based only on the family's request. They will (hopefully) take patient's prognosis into account. The same should happen with a fetus.

Nope, the fetus can't live on its own.

I'm sorry I made you regret making this analogy.

What? Stop trying to force your evangelical shit on the rest of us. Also, do you support social welfare programs for poor, single mothers?

I'm not gonna address this because others have already.

No they didn't. A right in the US is body autonomy. Forcing a woman to have a baby violates that law, just like forcing someone to give blood or give a kidney would.

 

[Vince McMahon]

No it's not or every doctor on earth would be guilty of murder

Every doctor had to make a decision about removing a patient from life support?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Every doctor had to make a decision about removing a patient from life support?

Not every, but a lot have. And not just life support, but certain life saving drugs (like terminal cancer patients who end chemo or ESRD patients who end dialysis)

 

[Wood]

Nope, the fetus can't live on its own.

Lol so if you get into a car crash and end up in the ICU, your family can decide to pull the tubes, even if doctors say you're gonna be fine later? That's an insane thing to say.

Also, do you support social welfare programs for poor, single mothers?

Not specifically, no. I don't know much about American system and I doubt you care about ours so can't say much to this.
But you're never going to make single motherhood not suck, ever, so I would not incentivise that.

No they didn't. A right in the US is body autonomy. Forcing a woman to have a baby violates that law, just like forcing someone to give blood or give a kidney would.

And nobody is trying to do that. Stop watching Handmaiden's tale

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Lol so if you get into a car crash and end up in the ICU, your family can decide to pull the tubes, even if doctors say you're gonna be fine later? That's an insane thing to say.

No, but families can take you off life support if you're gonna not make it.

Not specifically, no. I don't know much about American system and I doubt you care about ours so can't say much to this.
But you're never going to make single motherhood not suck, ever, so I would not incentivise that.

So you don't give a shit if the baby starves after its born, you just want to punish women who have sex. Got it.

And nobody is trying to do that. Stop watching Handmaiden's tale

What do you think forcing a woman to give up her uterus for a child is? It's the same thing. The US has body autonomy as a right and illegalizing abortion violates that

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Forcing a woman to have a baby violates [the right to bodily autonomy] just like forcing someone to give blood or give a kidney would.

Being pregnant is a natural consequence of sex. Giving blood is not a natural consequence of anything.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Being pregnant is a natural consequence of sex. Giving blood is not a natural consequence of anything.

That's a dumb argument and you know it. It doesn't matter. The state can't force you to not have cancer treatment. The state can't force you to not undergo any medical procedure. Abortion is a medical procedure. As is donating blood. The state can't force people to get vaccinated, either (as we have seen the past year). Body autonomy exists in the US, and that includes uteruses

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Body autonomy exists in the US,

So you agree that unborn babies should have the right to control their bodies, then?