The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

[Necrosan]

A random thought but there's a new and improved monkeypox making the rounds in Africa. 1 in 20 mortality rate, and spreads by simple skin contact (no assfucking required). Sweden just had their first case, brought in by a "refugee" that's been on a vacation in the same shithole it claimed to have originally escaped from.

UK's gonna get virologicaly enriched in near future. Those of you on normie Bongistan social networks... might be a good time to start raising health awareness among the NPCs before it happens. With extra mentions about where that shit started, and who brings it in.

Also, fucking leave. If the country literally announcing open season for whitey isn't enough of an indicator that you are fucked then the gay-ass virus should be enough to get you to pack up and leave.

Even if it is fake, the UK took one of the most draconian approaches to the lockdowns, it ain't going to be fun.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Don't tell him about Tim's opinion on Israel.

Tim has an opinion?

 

[Londo]

The Civic Nationalist right is. For the past 70-80 odd years where we believe that people from vastly different ethnic backgrounds can be replaced and are interchangeable like cogs in a machine and everything will just work as it used to, these are the results. Kids stabbed and groomed with the infrastructure of law being used to punish the ones complaining about, pointing it out and even trying to stop it when it's your kid being subjected to it. There may be so called "good ones" but they can be good in their own country far fucking away from here, where they work on improving their country and the lives of everyone there rather than hoping on a boat to come here illegally and commit crime. Let's have real diversity, a different space for every race.

In my experience, Civic Nationalism isn't even right winged -- it's the equivalent of the man that sucks cock at night while being married. I don't think anyone other than politicians even care about civic nationalism in the UK.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Nine year old waifu: I have got people admitting ‘yeah, they probably aren’t telling us the real figures’ and ‘stuff is getting real bad.

It just takes time.

People really need to realise internet time moves different to real life.

It’s only been a few years were this has been a problem irl and people are waking up way faster than than people thought they would.

 

[cybertoaster]

(not the Falklands)

Why not? is in the ass-end of the planet and big enough to dump a sizable number of undesirables, where else are you gonna send them? the caribbean?

There may be so called "good ones" but they can be good in their own country far fucking away from here, where they work on improving their country and the lives of everyone there rather than hoping on a boat to come here illegally and commit crime.

Having been in some of those countries I can tell you there's no more miserable existence than being one of the "good ones" living there, like you think its hard to change things for the better around here? imagine doing that in a place that's 10x poorer, 10x less developed (ie: less infrastructure, education, health, etc) and 10x more corrupt. Of course you'll want to leave and yet what I saw is that maybe 1 in 10 of the "good ones" actually left, 9 actually had the balls to remain and try to change things even if they were essentially wasting their lives, but I guess people like that is why those countries haven't completely collapsed yet, they are like Not Sure in idiocracy.

On the other hand I wouldn't champion this idea of worldwide zero immigration because as the west is going to shit and all the muslim shit imported is not going away you might yourself be in the situation where you need to leave and other better countries might just say "why you don't go be diverse at home?". Consider maybe 1 in 1000 of the people we get are "the good ones", we never had issues attracting talent, the problem is that the floodgates have been opened and we're getting the literal bottom of the barrel of countries that are far more backwards than even the worst parts of our countries. Stop that and you stop 99% of the immigration, the ones that are left are the good ones which will be virtually invisible as it was in the past, just "that foreign guy who lives over there".

 

[Alpaca Autopsy Expert]

@Nine year old waifu gave us a lot of info to read through. I found this page, which lays out how “asylum seekers” in the UK are eligible for housing, cash allowances, free healthcare, education, etc. https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
The U.S. is obviously following the same playbook with all the new fakeugees heading our way.

The whole thing seems like a scam that’s going to collapse in the near future. How can a govt indefinitely financially support non-citizens who have never paid into said system?
What will they do when the peoples’ tax $ runs dry— create a 95% tax rate? Start seizing private property to accommodate the newbies?

 

[FinnSven]

@Nine year old waifu gave us a lot of info to read through. I found this page, which lays out how “asylum seekers” in the UK are eligible for housing, cash allowances, free healthcare, education, etc. https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
The U.S. is obviously following the same playbook with all the new fakeugees heading our way.

The whole thing seems like a scam that’s going to collapse in the near future. How can a govt indefinitely financially support non-citizens who have never paid into said system?
What will they do when the peoples’ tax $ runs dry— create a 95% tax rate? Start seizing private property to accommodate the newbies?

Not to be a loony leftie, but the allowances they get is basic as it possibly could be.
Less than 50 squids a week will pay for three meals a day most days, if you shop at the dirt cheap grocery stores. Possibly it will go further if you have access to some half decent cookware and buy raw ingredients rather than prepared foods, but the places they will be staying will rarely be well equipped.

It’s basically enough to stop you starving and maybe wash your clothes, but that’s that.

It isn’t indefinite either. When they say that you get it even if you have been refused asylum, that doesn’t mean you can go on living in the Uk.

It means that is what they will give you until they deport you or you convince someone to sponsor you.

I understand of course, the anger when the locals see people living in hotels and lounging around, but that is the situation until the government decides to do something drastic like actual detention camps or segregated areas of specified towns.

 

[Nine year old waifu]

How can a govt indefinitely financially support non-citizens who have never paid into said system?

Budgets are publicly posted, with new publications (ie new budget) that will be published in two months or so.

You can also find what the organization responsible for the budget, the Office for Budget Responsibility says about immigration.

This is a personal opinion, but they don't seem to want to acknowledge the reality of immigration, instead they point to what the NGO-pro-immigration narrative is and say "this is what is happening".

For instance, this is how they talk about the immigration system they are using for their model.
(ONS is the official producer of statistics)

Our March 2019 forecast was based on the ONS’s ‘principal’ population projection for net migration to decline to 165,000 a year in 2023. Last October, the ONS revised up the level of net migration in the ‘principal’ projection to settle at 190,000 in 2025, which we incorporated in our pre-measures forecast. To reflect the more restrictive regime, in our post-measures forecast we have switched to the ‘zero net EU migration’ variant, in which net migration flows fall to 129,000. The profile for this variant strikes us as a reasonable depiction

This is a more recent document, and it is specifically about 2024. There is too much copy here, but please follow the link and search for the word "immigration". There are multiple scenarios, and they are wildly different. Also

In constructing our economic forecast, we estimate that migrants coming to the UK over our forecast period have a slightly higher average participation rate than the adult UK resident population over our five-year forecast. This reflects a combination of three factors:

• Age: Migrants are more likely to be of working age (16-64) when they arrive.
• Composition: The post-Brexit composition of migrants has shifted more towards groups that have historically had lower participation rates (e.g. students and dependants). However, those groups have seen rising participation rates under the new migration system. For example, LFS data suggest that migrants coming to the UK to study are now more likely to be economically active, with their participation rate increasing from 30 per cent in 2019 to 48 per cent in the year to June 2023.e This is likely the result of the graduate route making it easier for students to enter the labour market after their studies.
• Dynamics: In the medium term, the longer migrants stay, the more likely they are to participate. While this tends to reverse after 10 years, that is beyond our forecast horizon.

So, what happens in 10 years?

I don't have a strong opinion on Liz Truss, but after she talked about OBR I went a bit down the rabbit hole as I like numbers.

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Does anyone know how to find court documents on the protesters sentenced? (If possible at all)

 

[Nine year old waifu]

‘yeah, they probably aren’t telling us the real figures

Can I ask "real figures" related to what?

Because if I am interpreting it correctly and it is about immigrants, I am not sure they even know them themselves (old example, but doubtful it has been fixed). Ironically, I think the government has so much data that it cannot actually process all of it.

For instance this is the latest publication from the ONS on their forecast for immigration.

Something many may miss is that the latest data they are reporting on is December 2023 - over 6 months ago!
The delay of the data is important. That is how late the ONS estimates are. Because of timing with the Budget, it is not always the case that the the Budget uses the latest ONS numbers. So basically you can have a budget that is based on data that is one year old.
Also, when creating a forecast, you cannot ignore the last 10-15 years in favour of a recent trend. If the trend is very different, then what do you do? We have seen immigration trends change a lot recently. That's a problem as we are now less sure of what will happen.

The delay is not just 6 months! Because if the group that arrived 6 months ago behaves very differently from the one that arrived 12 months ago, then you will wrongly assume that they will behave the same. In other words, in June this is what you would have (totally making up numbers)

• January: 1000 arrivals, 50% return within 3 months, 10% return within 6 months
• June: 2000, arrivals, ??? you will assume that 1000 return within 3 months, but don't know for sure.

I suggest reading section 3 of the publication I linked. As an example

These updated data lead to revisions to our immigration estimates for a variety of reasons, including:

• individuals who originally arrive on short-term visas are not initially included in our immigration estimates; some of these individuals go on to get another visa that extends their stay into the UK to over 12 months and should be counted as long-term immigrants
• individuals who are on a visa of less than a year may overstay their visa and therefore extend their stay in the UK to over 12 months and should be counted as long-term immigrants
• individuals who are initially missing information about their first arrival into the UK appear as if they have not arrived on their visa; when we see subsequent travel information out of and into the UK, we have evidence they are present in the UK and therefore backfill their first arrival date and they should be counted as long-term immigrants

These updated data have revised our immigration estimates for the YE June 2023 up by 39,000. (Kiwi note: YE = year ending, so entire year up to June 2023)

So, TLDR, they publish the numbers initially. Then have to go back and fix them. The initial numbers don't seem to account for those that overstay their visas (it never happens!!!)
The estimates can be wrong by tens of thousands! So for a period of six months, the official statistics that the Guardian and the BBC will smugly present were off by a small town. Don't misunderstand, this is what they were wrong by - for long-term immigrants, not the entire number of people who came in 6 months as long-term immigrant!

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Edit -- @FinnSven ITT I have said I once volunteered in an illegal immigrant camp, so I think it's pretty clear that my "cultural background" and lived experience is that of a leftist.

I would normally think that what they are given is too little, and if given more they would be able to live with more dignity and thus be less anti-social. However, I have also met many of these migrants, and I don't have any hope that it would work.

It might work for the "smart ones" for about a day or two, until the average troublesome ones and the truly anti-social ones will bring back to the same level as before. For example, you may think they could start saving for something (idk winter coat?), but they cannot save because the aforementioned groups will just steal the money from them - and beat them up as well.

I know this type of migrant is not the biggest in terms of numbers. I think the biggest costs they create is probably to the local councils and the local community, in terms of policing and physical as well "environmental" damage to the area where they stay (environment in terms of less foot traffic, so less people going to cafes, even less shopping in the town's high streets, etc).

 

[libRT]

The whole thing seems like a scam that’s going to collapse in the near future. How can a govt indefinitely financially support non-citizens who have never paid into said system?

100%, you hear musk talking about population deficit, its because far too much money has been printed/fucked around, and whilst the economy is an infinitely recursive web of webs, all the way down. The problem with this is, the people at the outskirts of the web (labour at the end of the production chain, effectively working class) receive this printed money at its lowest value (by lowest value, i mean the value of the money when it is initially received, the people the government hands it to, each pound has a significantly higher value than when say a random person from the working class first receives the newly printed money), the market takes a while to react to newly created currency (if you think of this from a pure capitalist perspectiive (ancap), there are multiple natural controls (invisible hand of the market) that not only push the market to reduce the amount paid to these people (this is actually a GOOD mechanism of the market), the problem with the current markets is that government intervention makes it so that the lower bound of the salary paid to these workers is far below basic requirements for life (food/water/shelter is usually covered when people combine salaries, but has reduced expenditure on leisure to a very mechanical circus (fuck you keynes you fucking faggot, if i had a time machine I would take you out before hitler you dunning kruger fucking nigger)) the problem isn't actually that when the working class gets their increase its completely fucked by inflation within the market, its that it is impossible to afford even a simple life on a working class wage, I think the underlying anger effectively springs from the fact that even though technological advances have allowed us to produce so much more with insanely reduced costs, the working class are losing purchasing power, and are effectively being pushed to serfdom. The actions of the government not only confirm this, but also seem to endorse it in favour of third world niggers.

I don't think the working class can express this so eloquently, but every single one of them feels it in the lizard brain. They know they're being pushed to the limits on keeping a roof on their head and its a common fear across the country.

Edit: Its not the only factor, though it seems to be that quality of life is degrading from every perspective: healthcare, purchasing power, crime (I know plenty of people that haven't reported theft simply because previous times you go through the hassle of reporting it to hearing nothing at all), public services (e.g roads). You name it, its getting shitter. There's definitely serious discontent within the isles, how thats going to erupt is anyones guess, but i think it will.

 

[3deadniggers]

In my experience, Civic Nationalism isn't even right winged -- it's the equivalent of the man that sucks cock at night while being married. I don't think anyone other than politicians even care about civic nationalism in the UK.

There are people in this very thread promoting civil nationalism. "Based sikhs can integrate" levels of cope.

Start seizing private property to accommodate the newbies?

There's already talks of trying to force any one with a spare bedroom to take someone in.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Nine year old waifu: I meant, immigration, crime, the amount of them that kill each other due to gangs etc.

 

[Nine year old waifu]

@Nine year old waifu: I meant, immigration, crime, the amount of them that kill each other due to gans etc.

Oh, they truly have no idea on crime, and I showed how bad the knowledge of immigration is.

Crime statistics in this country are beyond fucked. There is no recording on the ethnicity and country of origin of the perpetrators.. some crimes are not even recorded because "something something we aren't sure it actually happened something something" (I imagine the grooming gang rapes are hidden in that case, where someone beside the victim is reporting the crime, so you don't have "the body" so to speak...)

Also, all the truly "illegal immigrants" will never report crimes. They will live all on top of each other or literally live in the woods. There is a lot of trafficking within their own communities. A lot of violence as I have said before, etc.. That will never be recorded. But when you meet those groups, you instinctively know, and your instinct is right. On paper, they might have zero crimes recorded, but in the real world people know.

The data, and as shown I don't use data published on pol or twitter, is what made me leave the "left". We have to be honest about what we know and what we don't know. Also, the lived experience of white women walking alone in a culturally enriched area is also worthy to be considered.

 

[FedPostalService]

In my experience, Civic Nationalism isn't even right winged -- it's the equivalent of the man that sucks BIG BLACK IMMIGRANT cock at night while being married. I don't think anyone other than politicians even care about civic nationalism in the UK.

I fixed that for you. See Wales, Scotland, Catalonia, etc. for this.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

(I imagine the grooming gang rapes are hidden in that case, where someone beside the victim is reporting the crime, so you don't have "the body" so to speak...)

Iirc about the rape gang scandal of a decade ago, that was indeed the case.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why not? is in the ass-end of the planet and big enough to dump a sizable number of undesirables, where else are you gonna send them? the caribbean?

The Falklands sit in the middle of a potentially huge oil field. Too difficult to extract at the moment, but it's only a matter of time. It's one of the reasons they're so contentious. Filling the islands with immigrant muslims would make future extraction that oil a lot more difficult.

There's already talks of trying to force any one with a spare bedroom to take someone in.

They'll start with people on housing benefit if they do go with this. They already cut part of their benefit if they have "surplus" bedrooms, as a way to force them into smaller properties.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

The Falklands sit in the middle of a potentially huge oil field. Too difficult to extract at the moment, but it's only a matter of time. It's one of the reasons they're so contentious. Filling the islands with immigrant muslims would make future extraction that oil a lot more difficult.

The British control of the Falklands/Malvinas is also surprisingly tenuous.

After the British defeated Argentina...I say defeated, it would be more correct to say "Pimpslapped, stole their lunch money and gave them a wedgie"...a number of other Commonwealth citizens tried to move in to provide services to the huge military expansion.

The islanders did not tolerate it. They are rabidly xenophobic. Not racist, they hate the Argentines, but they hate the British too. They despise anyone who isn't from their island.

As soon as Argentina, or anyone else for that matter, can give them a better deal they'll be gone. It'll be hard, because they do have the most fabulous treatment compared to other citizens within the UK and overseas territories but it is a real risk.

The UK will never try and deport anyone there, because they will suddenly become very enthusiastic about Spanish the moment they do.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

There's already talks of trying to force any one with a spare bedroom to take someone in.

That would be a breaking point I think. If the government started trying to force immigrants into people's houses, especially if they own the house. That would almost definitely lead to a lot more violence and burning of political offices. The government are fucking retarded if they think that trying to censor the public will do anything but radicalise them. I doubt they are retarded enough to try force migrants into people's houses, surely they know that will do nothing but lead to even more violence against them and the migrants. Though it is labour so. If I would have known this shit would have happened I would have actually voted for farage instead of burning the ballot and mailing them the ashes like usual.

 

[cybertoaster]

The Falklands sit in the middle of a potentially huge oil field

I been hearing that for a while but every company that drills there comes up with this shitty sandy sulfuric oil that isn't worth anything, then they go bankrupt.

IMHO the oil is just a cope for both sides in that conflict to justify wasting resources on those worthless islands.

Filling the islands with immigrant muslims would make future extraction that oil a lot more difficult.

Why? its almost entirely off-shore, you could rely on chile for supplying the platforms, and besides filling the islands with muslims would make it impossible for argentina to ever get them again. Meanwhile if the bongistan finally goes down and the argies manage to stop fucking up for a minute and get their shit together those islands are wide open for an invasion, who's gonna stop them? 3 drunks and a sheep?. Turning the falklands into another bangladesh gets the muzzies out of bongistan and make the islands impossible to invade without committing wide-scale genocide.

 

[Nine year old waifu]

Iirc about the rape gang scandal of a decade ago, that was indeed the case.

"decade ago"

They are still going on today. A group was sentenced just a few weeks ago. I have zero doubts that many of these rapes are still not being recorded.

As a remined of what we are missing from statistics - in Rotherham there were 1,400 girls found to have been victmised. That is, on a very conservative estimate, 1,400 rapes that were never recorded from just one town.