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Jaimas said:
Kos has been an insufferable faggot for almost a decade, and almost everyone in the old guard who remembers when the site wasn't a bag of dicks wrapped in Social Justice minge openly recognizes it. Remember how the chans used to treat their admin staff, as someone to be respected only if they'd earned it? That was how DailyKos was when it was good. People called Kos out for being a shit constantly.
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Indeed. DK turned to shit long before I ever heard the dreaded acronym SJW, but that pretty much explains it.
 
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Marcos spends DK users money on new offices and expensive wall prints while the website languishes. Users are not happy. Users are pleased
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1461522/-A-photo-tour-of-the-new-Daily-Kos-offices
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Back in August we moved into our new offices in Oakland, and we’ve been slowly putting it together in the months since. We’re not done! We’ve got more artwork to frame and mount, more furniture to order, but the office is finally at a place where I’m happy showing it off.

Fair warning, this is no pro-photography at work, just my phone camera. And the lighting was brutal —the office is surrounded by windows and I had a great deal of morning light streaming in, so that made everything look darker than had I taken these photos in the evening. I tried to lighten them up, but really, my work was crude at best But regardless, it should give you a good idea of what Kos HQ looks like. Enjoy!
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"Rounding out the entrance hallway, we have Jane Addams, who among other things, was the first woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize"
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Ass Manager 3000 said:
Marcos spends DK users money on new offices and expensive wall prints while the website languishes. Users are not happy. Users are pleased
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1461522/-A-photo-tour-of-the-new-Daily-Kos-offices
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A friend informed me that everyone who complained got mass hiderated/deleted. I haven't been able to verify if it's true or not because hide-rated posts won't show up in searches, nor will deleted posts, but I wouldn't find it surprising considering that Kos seems to be trying to turn the site into Gawker. It is not confirmed, however.

EDIT: Apparently, DailyKos has sold off userdata and people are getting spam directly from the site from the Hillary camp.
 
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Jaimas said:
A friend informed me that everyone who complained got mass hiderated/deleted. I haven't been able to verify if it's true or not because hide-rated posts won't show up in searches, nor will deleted posts, but I wouldn't find it surprising considering that Kos seems to be trying to turn the site into Gawker. It is not confirmed, however.

EDIT: Apparently, DailyKos has sold off userdata and people are getting spam directly from the site from the Hillary camp.
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Oh great, like we don't already have enough TMZ and Gawker like websites. I'm not sure how to feel about this.
 
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Ass Manager 3000 said:
This is troubling but not surprising. The Kos has a history of feeding the DNC data from it's users. Usually it's done a little more quietly than that. Even the users are onto it.

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I don't see Markos anywhere in that thread. No easy praise to be had.
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Not the first time they've done it.

During the 2008 election season, Markos pretty much gave the website to Team Hillary, even though she wasn't the popular candidate. The userbase was in full revolt by the end of it, because Kos basically kept pushing her even after it became mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination (Obama had cinched the required electoral college points for the Primary, and even if Hillary won every single state in existence after that cutoff point, she'd still lose).

Back during this time people were in a dander about getting email from the Hillary camp despite never having had anything to do with her.
 
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Jaimas said:
Back during this time people were in a dander about getting email from the Hillary camp despite never having had anything to do with her.
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I always though the website was a convert extended mailing list . It's UK pseudo-equivalent- 'Left Foot Forward' is basically the same.

I should have mentioned it earlier. but I have a drinking game I like to play with the KOS!
1) Find a really angry and/or self-righteous and/or Hyper partisan article. OR find a diary slagging off democratic primary candidates.

2) Get some alcohol

3) drink when

Anyone uses the words (or slight variants of)-
  • rethuglican
  • tea bagger
  • Bagger
  • Con-servative
  • Dumbservaitive
  • faux-news
  • realistic/realist
AND take TWO drinks when anyone says a variant of the following-
  • "Reality has a well know liberal bias"
  • "Republicans are (very, very hyperbolic statement)"
  • "Obama/democrats can do no wrong"
  • "Vote __ or american will end"
  • "mention how your X is smarter and better than X for unverifiable reasons
  • "Anything about gamergate being as bad as ___"
AND take THREE drinks when anyone says a variant of the following-
  • "I'm leaving the country if the opposition wins"


Enjoy!

Excuse the double post but I found a relevant diary. Regulars are noticing the decline in user quality.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1463867/-The-MyDDification-of-DKos
The MyDDification of DKos
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It would be really great if I could blame this diary on too much eggnog but I hate the stuff. Not even the wine which I love — but only had a couple of glasses. Nope — just a result of perusing the wreck list for awhile and finding precious little regarding candidates, outside of LieparDestin and Lysis’s diaries, which provide serious policy discussions and plans of action to GOTV which starts with get out the education and registration forms.

Back in 2007 I read MyDD because it was on the DKos blogroll (where the fuck is that now?). At first it was interesting and then went totally PUMA whacked encouraged by the owner, Jerome Armstrong. It was a teaming bed of racist hateful CT shite. Thankfully, we haven’t gotten there completely because the racist shite isn’t a factor.

I’ve written this sentiment before this week: The wreck list looks like tiger beat teen fan mag material. It is embarrassing. Lots of CT and mutilated “facts.” Lots of gushing nonsense which would make most young voters laugh with disdain. I read over and over and over again — “why should I vote? You have to earn my vote. Give me a reason to vote.” And yet — not one fucking legitimate alternative (other than Jill Stein). Not one action suggestion from the non-voting class here. Not one actual advocacy of down-ballot candidates in lieu of leaving the President block blank. Fucking privileged bullshite from people who never had to jump through hoops to vote or wouldn’t be affected by a total Republican Reich.

LieparDestin and Lysis are the gold standards on this site for advocacy. I basically skim the comments but focus on their diaries. I learn from both of them because they are fierce advocates, postive and honest. I hone arguments pro and con. Thankfully both temper the wreck list.

If real issues are corrupted by immature writers, we all lose. I find myself most often fighting against ugliness in diaries about my preferred candidate and am called a liar, fraud, fake, etc. Ok, that part is hilarious because I really don’t know those people so don’t give a shite.

What I do give a shite about is day to day, face to face talking with citizens in my community. Talking about the importance of voting. Talking about why I think it is important to vote for Bernie but never trashing HRC or Martin or the Democrats. If someone tells me they prefer HRC I ask why and every damned time they give a good personal reason. I give them a registration form and the address of their polling place. I tell them that we have a neighborhood breakfast before voting — all supporters invited because it is fun. This November (local elections) we even had Republicans join us — which allowed for a robust, non-rancorous event.

I don’t have the luxury or desire to be contemptuous of people who might vote for HRC (no one in my town knows Martin) or a Republican. I need to talk to them as citizens in a beloved but crap assed economically depressed town with pathetic job opportunities and listen — then tell them about the power of voting. I accept their snorts but continue my pitch — for days and weeks and months. That’s because I walk my neighborhood and know pretty much everyone either by name or sight.

Back to my title: I’m no fan of censorship or banning unless someone egregiously violates the site rules. What is disturbing to me is that there is precious little to find here that actually builds either a revolution or the Democratic party.

If we want a revolution — it doesn’t happen here. Same if you want to build a party. Neither happens when you have contempt for potential allies. Sure, we can all have contempt for those who are malcontents ad infinitem — that’s standard. Revolution always happens in the streets, with real people. They are not successful immediately or sometimes ever but often enough to change the discourse if not the reality (see, e.g. anti-Vietnam Conflict protests, anti-nuke protests, anti-pollution protests, OWS, BlackLivesMatter etc.).

I’d like to see the Bernie revolution in the streets rather than internet or speaking venues. Not on DKos. In the streets. My biggest fear is that twitter has replaced feet. I find that truly disturbing.

I don’t ever recommend DKos to folks interested in engaging in politics. Most are beyond teenage fan stuff and mean girl/boy playground shite. They have real life problems, solutions of which can’t be found on the top right hand side of the page.

And with that, my New Year’s wish is that we don’t fall down the MyDD rabbit hole of hell. Advocate with zeal and intelligence but also remember to educate about your state’s registration and voting laws.
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dollarhuviya said:
RationalWiki and Daily Kos are coincidentally declining at the same time. I wasn't expecting this but I'm more motivated to keep an eye out on what Daily Kos is doing now.
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As SocJus takes over more of the left-wing media, more and more of those on the left who live in reality are pushed out, leading to SocJus spreading further and further. It's exactly what happened with the right and the tea party.
 
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An Ounce of Vagina said:
As SocJus takes over more of the left-wing media, more and more of those on the left who live in reality are pushed out, leading to SocJus spreading further and further. It's exactly what happened with the right and the tea party.
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I don't know. I thought it would be more of the opposite happening. Ever heard of the term regressive left? Well that's been spreading around a lot quite recently and you're seeing more and more liberals like Bill Maher, Dave Rubin and Seth MacFarlane start taking the piss out of these clowns and even using that term and others who are the furthest from being conservative use it too. Yeah I do see your point in that it could spread more in the next year, but you're also seeing more and more of those who are left wing start calling them out on it, not unlike what the conservatives did a long time ago when you had William Buckley around. So it's very possible that yes, they could be like the Tea Party but eventually stay within the fringes. I do not know for sure but at least more people are noticing the trend and getting concerned about it.
 
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Ass Manager 3000 said:
Yeah the whole site is tainted with salt and I'm sure when it sinks we'll get some tasty drama. Markos is such a notorious shit, even people who don't regular Dk, its competitors or the political opposition know about him. It's amazing.

found this gem-

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...r-old-s-observations-on-the-Republican-debate

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It's a slightly extended version of a Totally Happened(tm) story. I was waiting for a crowd of people to randomly show up at the door and one of them start a slow clap for the kid.
 
An Ounce of Vagina said:
As SocJus takes over more of the left-wing media, more and more of those on the left who live in reality are pushed out, leading to SocJus spreading further and further. It's exactly what happened with the right and the tea party.
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This pretty much was my immediate concern when DailyKos first showed signs of infection. By the time it had gotten to the point where it was undeniable, the shit had metastasized, and we realized, to our horror, that the loudest voice in our community was now the very thing we openly made fun of for the last decade and a half:

A group of proud-to-be-brainwashed dolts who conflate dissent with treason, who have zero humor about themselves, who will excuse any crime their own side commits whilst condemning everyone else for tiny offenses, and which are about as representative of a majority as Pun-Pun is of proper P&P gaming, who believe ideology trumps everything, and who advocate everything up to violence against you if you go against them.

We weren't talking about the Westboro Baptist Church, Tea Partiers, or the Redstaters anymore - we were talking about Neoprogressivism, and subsequently, DailyKos's "new" userbase. As was the case for They Live, or perhaps a more Farms-Applicable example, Don't Zap to the Extreme, the second you're aware of it, there's no going back. You're a marked man if you refuse to conform, and they will throw every form of pressure they can at you to make you submit. You all know how Social Justice handles dissent.

They'd be fucking terrifying if they weren't almost all fucking incompetent.
 
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Ass Manager 3000 said:
Markos is too busy shilling photoshoots of his family to care or telling everyone how well the website is doing
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The userbase, meanwhile, hates it, and as we can see from this infographic, traffic's been pretty bad for a while - since 2013, at least, when this Infection first hit critical mass:

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So let's compare this to something with a tiny, niche audience, so we have a metric to compare it to:

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....To contextualize, this implies that DailyKos has less traffic right now than 8chan.
 
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Jaimas said:
The userbase, meanwhile, hates it, and as we can see from this infographic, traffic's been pretty bad for a while - since 2013, at least, when this Infection first hit critical mass:

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So let's compare this to something with a tiny, niche audience, so we have a metric to compare it to:

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....To contextualize, this implies that DailyKos has less traffic right now than 8chan.
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Keep in mind that *chan sites tend to be very, very underrated too, since so many people browse anonymously, don't install the alexa toolbar, etc. Channers tend to be more technically savvy on average, and don't actually search for chan threads on google itself.
 
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Splendid Meat Sticks said:
Keep in mind that *chan sites tend to be very, very underrated too, since so many people browse anonymously, don't install the alexa toolbar, etc. Channers tend to be more technically savvy on average, and don't actually search for chan threads on google itself.
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Alexa toolbar shit is a major self-selection bias because what kind of moron installs that?
 
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AnOminous said:
Alexa toolbar shit is a major self-selection bias because what kind of moron installs that?
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Exactly.
Moot actually addressed this in his final Q&A. He pointed out that sites full of retards will tend to score higher because they're the ones who install it.
Forum game: Compare Reddit's ranking and 4chan's ranking and write your own joke.
 
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