The Daily Kos

  • 🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.
Some Kossaks aren't taking to the progressive-splaining angle

HillaryPS3.png



Edit: some users are not happy with this diary.

HillaryPS4.png


@dollarhuviya man that is a mouthful
 
Last edited by a moderator:
DK is a hive of political cows, one of the more bizzare groups of Lolcows, IMO. In the US, the two major parties get these people worked up into a frenzy, and every time there's an election, you can see weaponized stupid on display. Each side is convinced they're the only ones with a plan, and the other side is pure evil for even existing. Each side is convinced their tactics are totally fair while the other side is using "dirty politics", and both refuse to see they'd both doing the exact same things. Each party uses the same strategy, paid for by the same monied interests, and often using the exact same people. But, Party A is right and Party B is wrong because... Ummmm...

TLDR- US partisan politics is designed to bring out the Lolcow in all of us.
 
The head dipshit has basically said any criticism of Clinton is verboten from here on at the Daily Kos.
http://archive.is/KRtCE.

NjrJdap.png

Every single trending topic on the site is pro-Sanders.

Kos didn't have the balls to defy the userbase in 2008. He sure as shit isn't going to find his balls now.

But Republicans are totally Fascist u guize!

As a lifetime Dem, one of the most bitter pills I've had to swallow is the tacit acknowledgement that various completely batshit right-wingers who historically were talking out their asses were right on some level. Man, fuck Progressivism.
 
NjrJdap.png

Every single trending topic on the site is pro-Sanders.

Kos didn't have the balls to defy the userbase in 2008. He sure as shit isn't going to find his balls now.



As a lifetime Dem, one of the most bitter pills I've had to swallow is the tacit acknowledgement that various completely batshit right-wingers who historically were talking out their asses were right on some level. Man, fuck Progressivism.
Yeah, I remember coming across one of Chu's idiotic Salon articles and falling down that rabbit hole.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Jaimas
More backlash against Kos limiting Bernie discution
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/08/1498143/-Kos-Orders-Sun-to-Set-at-Midday
Kos Orders Sun to Set at Midday

This started out as a comment in kos’s latest attempt at clarity, but I think it needs a bit more fleshing out. I can understand the want and appeal for unity, but trying to force it is going to have (and is already having) some (likely) unintended consequences.

Sure, the pundits and the Hillary campaign’s supporters really really would like it to be done with after March 15th, but that’s not an accurate date for stoppage. We Bernie supporters look at numbers too and we know that almost all of Hillary’s strongest states will have voted by then. However, it’s the states coming after that that are best for Bernie, and where, if he can, he will make up ground and possibly take the lead. It may well be up for grabs all the way til June. *At some point yes, the math may turn, but that point is not in mid March — not even close*. Calling it March 15th gives rise to some pretty big problems.

First and foremost, it fosters enmity between the supporters of the opposition factions. Yes, there is already enmity, but by forcing one side out of its vigorous campaign stance before their campaign is actually dead is asking for even more resentment of the candidate who benefits. If anything, it will foster a rise in PUMAs instead of actual unity, and really, if Hillary is the nominee, she’s gonna need all the help and unity she can get. The last thing she needs is more angry partisans refusing to vote for her in a general, but that is effect the forcibly shutting down the primary here will have.

i understand that kos doesn’t want Hillary picked apart anymore after that cuz it might hurt her, but honestly, if what is said here can actually hurt her, it worries me even more about a general. She should be able to take whatever the left gives her cuz the right will come at her stronger and a lot more recklessly. Lobbing bombs that are malicious *and* unfounded shouldn’t be allowed here in the first place, but there are plenty of criticisms that seem like bombs to her supporters (and kos) that are grounded in reality and should be lobbed. It’s a primary and we as lefties should want to have the best candidate — one who can handle the criticisms from the left. That’s what primaries are for ffs. Letting us all have our shot at democracy should be what we strive for; it can make us all the stronger for it in the end.

Second, calling an end to the primaries prematurely also gives the right wing a lot more time to act. Not knowing who they will be running against and having to somewhat prepare for two *very different* candidates means they are having to do a lot of oppo for longer and can’t uniformly deploy against a single candidate. If we give them the gift of letting it be over, they get a few extra months of flooding the airwaves with memes and lies and distortions, when repeated over and over will become believed. It’s always said that Hillary has taken everything the right has thrown at her and she has; however, she hasn’t run in a general against them yet and they will be bringing out all the stops. Why give them lead time? Tactically, it makes more sense to keep them off their game as long as we can. In previous years, when we were more unified in general, it may have been good tactics to unify early, but I think there are very few people left that think this year is anything like previous years. The conventional wisdom is a relic nowadays; operate using it at your own risk.

In short, I think this premature calling of the primaries can backfire on us badly and for the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would want to risk that outcome. It does less for unity and more for division, and it’s a gift to the right. They always liked to say that the left is a circular firing squad and calling the primaries this election year just after March 15th is a perfect example of that. Let’s not be that example.



Wednesday, Mar 9, 2016 · 2:59:32 AM +00:00 · poligirl
Case in point as to why this primary should not be declared yet: almost every poll had Hillary leading in Michigan by double digits with only one poll putting Bernie within single digits. doesn’t matter which poll aggregate you use. And some of those polls were YUGE! double digit leads.

While we may not have the results from Michigan for a little while, it’s pretty clear that what the pundits and experts think will happen does not necessarily reflect the reality on the ground.

So you naysayers, stick that math in your pipe and smoke it. We need a full day of sunshine!
 
  • Informative
Reactions: chimpburgers
NjrJdap.png

Every single trending topic on the site is pro-Sanders.

Kos didn't have the balls to defy the userbase in 2008. He sure as shit isn't going to find his balls now.



As a lifetime Dem, one of the most bitter pills I've had to swallow is the tacit acknowledgement that various completely batshit right-wingers who historically were talking out their asses were right on some level. Man, fuck Progressivism.
March 15th is the day that Julius Caesar was assasinated for subverting the Roman Republic and twisting it towards his own interests too.
They should take a page out of the Ancient Romans' book.
 
So since Marcos told the troops to get in line Clinton said something kinda indefensible. There has been no front page news despite how big the uproar is becoming. Anger is spilling into the highly rec'd diary-

titledk.png

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...gnore-what-Hillary-said-about-Reagan-and-aids
ARCHIVE: http://archive.is/aIT8G
I arrived in New York City in 1987. As anyone who lived there will remember, one of the lasting memories of the period is of the steady parade of funerals you went to. There was always the friend of a friend down the hall, or an associate at a firm where you practiced, or someone you drank coffee with who was dying.

And they were horrible deaths.

All of the tragedy compounded by the fact that the Reagan Administration did not give one damn fuck about the “fags” dying from the “gay disease”.

And so today, when I read this, I was more than outraged:

It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about H.I.V./AIDS back in the 1980s,” Mrs. Clinton, who was attending Mrs. Reagan’s funeral in Simi Valley, Calif., told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan – in particular, Mrs. Reagan – we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it. Nobody wanted anything to do with it.”

The problem with Mrs. Clinton’s compliment: It was the Reagans who wanted nothing to do with the disease at the time.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention first identified the disease in 1981, but Mr. Reagan, despite desperate calls for action and thousands of deaths, did not mention H.I.V. or AIDS publicly until 1985 and did not give a speech about the disease until 1987, when an estimated 40,000 people had already died of the disease and roughly 36,000 more had given a diagnosis.

For anyone who knew people who died from this disease, it is hard to describe how completely wrong Clinton is on this. What she said was a LIE. It covers up when can only be described as a crime the Reagan Administration committed.

She did not “Misspeak”. This is not a gaffe.

You may think we need to rally behind Clinton for the general. Fine, maybe I get that.

But silence on this is unforgivable.

Something I would add: I cannot imagine Obama saying anything like this.

From Obama’s second inaugural. I can’t help fight the feeling we are taking a step backward from him:

We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths –- that all of us are created equal –- is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall; just as it guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great Mall, to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone; to hear a King proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on Earth. (Applause.)

It is now our generation’s task to carry on what those pioneers began. For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. (Applause.) Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law –- (applause) -- for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.


Salt1.png


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2005/01/blogging_for_dollars.html
salt2.png
 
Last edited by a moderator:
So since Marcos told the troops to get in line Clinton said something kinda indefensible. There has been no front page news despite how big the uproar is becoming. Anger is spilling into the highly rec'd diary.

View attachment 77371
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...gnore-what-Hillary-said-about-Reagan-and-aids
ARCHIVE: http://archive.is/aIT8G



View attachment 77372

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2005/01/blogging_for_dollars.html
View attachment 77373

I know I probably shouldn't take delight in the failure of an entire website, least of all one that I cut my proverbial teeth on, but I learned a while ago that whatever good the place had was taken out back and lynched ages ago.

Hank_5928ea_639755.gif


Let it join Confurvatives in the hell reserved for political sites that shit the bed hard enough to break the floorboards.
 
So since Marcos told the troops to get in line Clinton said something kinda indefensible. There has been no front page news despite how big the uproar is becoming. Anger is spilling into the highly rec'd diary.

View attachment 77371
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...gnore-what-Hillary-said-about-Reagan-and-aids
ARCHIVE: http://archive.is/aIT8G



View attachment 77372

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2005/01/blogging_for_dollars.html
View attachment 77373
If anything, these Daily Kos clowns represent the strawman annoying liberal. I cannot believe anyone still reads this trash anymore. They're hardly above Gawker at this point.
 
So since Marcos told the troops to get in line Clinton said something kinda indefensible. There has been no front page news despite how big the uproar is becoming. Anger is spilling into the highly rec'd diary-

"Indefensible" has way too many syllables for "lie."

Nancy Reagan not only didn't do shit about AIDS, nor did Ronnie, who slashed funding for research, but she even personally ignored a plea from Rock Hudson to get him to the only hospital where he could be treated in Paris by his specialist doctor when there was red tape. He died shortly thereafter.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-and-aids

Is the body cold enough yet to say that Nancy Reagan was a nasty piece of work?
 
Generally speaking, I hate the Daily Kos, but I do try and check the elections blog every afternoon, as they usually post things like fundraising numbers for more obscure races, filing deadlines, state legislative special elections, and other thing that more mainstream, less wacky sites may ignore.

Other than that, it's basically Gawker.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Jaimas
(you'll like this @Jaimas)

I can't find Marco's announcement diary, but he effectively said after march 15th, anyone who-
  • Makes a dairy that's pro sanders
  • Makes a dairy that's Clinton negative
  • Writes comments reflecting the above (not sure about this one but it makes sense given the new guidelines)
Will take a hit from the ban hammer.

This is huge. The DK userbase are not gonna take it and are openly revolting.

DKrevolt.png

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/14/1500530/--Which-DailyKos-WhichMarkos
Archive- http://archive.is/hvUwK

DKrevolt2.gif

DKrevolt3.png


DKrevolt4.png
DKrevolt5.png


whitenightriedtodeffendKOS.png
 
Update!

A british kossak wrote a diary claiming to have voted for brexit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/06/28/1543170/-I-voted-Brexit
brexit2.png


The dominant meme, of course, is that Leave voters have made a terrible mistake and will regret their decision. They’re a bit dim, turkeys who voted for Christmas, sadly influenced by xenophobes, racists and knaves, and ultimately shouldn't have been entrusted with such a momentous decision. That I'm educated1, in an interracial marriage, and barely paid attention to Farage and Johnson's fluffy promises makes me an outlier, I guess. This wasn't about personalities.

Yes, there was shock that Brexiters won the day. That was because, aside from the status quo always being the house favourite,2 so many of us who expressed our desire to make our way to the exit genuinely thought Remain would win. To put it in an American context (I'm also a US citizen), it's a little like being told Bernie didn't have a chance, voting for him despite the odds because that's what you thought was the best way forward, then waking up to find that he had, indeed, pulled it off. Think of the consternation that would cause in some circles. My guess is that most of us – UKIP and Oliver Healey perhaps excluded – would have calmly accepted a Remain vote because most of us expected that in the first place (just as I have always expected Hillary to win). So yay! for voting what you believe in: sometimes it works.

Note that there was a very high turnout: surely a cause for celebration in itself. Telling 17+ million people they're idiots is not really the best way to encourage continued democratic participation.

Stories of Bregret in an angsty aftermath fit the media's chosen narrative, but we could pick cherries all day long. Reporters even managed to find adults who claim to have wanted to Remain but ticked the Leave box, seemingly for the pure hell of it, and now feel cheated of their vote. Thanks for taking one for the team, guys.

We had the best of reasons, we had the worst of reasons. It was, in other words, like any other day at the polls.

Take immigration. History shows that this is not a nation opposed to immigrants. Clearly a lot of people want better control over the numbers. If the US itself wants to try open borders, it’s free to give it a go. In theory I would love a world without imaginary lines. Theory, met the reality of infrastructure that just can't keep up.

“This was a cry of despair from the victims of modern capitalism” according to a diary that was published as I was fiddling with this one. I don’t disagree, though it was, to me, largely a referendum on freedom itself. Everything flows from that, for better or for worse – and I'm aware of the irony of a subject of QEII3 getting misty eyed about freedom, not to mention of the practical realities of the matrix of economic serfdom in which most will continue to live. Would US citizens care to remove control of some of their most important decisions from D.C. and place it in the hands of largely unaccountable bureaucrats in, say, Toronto? (Actually, don’t answer that.) To continue however imperfectly with another analogy, imagine if America's founders had put the revolution on indefinite hold for fear of "market turmoil". We wouldn't have had all those catchy Schoolhouse Rock videos, for a start.4


It should go without saying that I don’t know what the future holds. Nor do The Experts™, many of whom do a jolly good business despite abysmal records. Disentangling ourselves from Brussels is a monstrously complicated process with plenty of potential pitfalls. It isn't even a sure thing that the will of the majority of voters will be respected in the end. There are enough people making predictions that someone is bound to get it kinda sorta right, so pick your prognosticator and get back to me in a couple of years.

Once upon a time a man said Yes We Can, and I voted for him. As disappointing as he turned out to be in certain respects, I don’t regret giving him a chance. Please give us one.

1 To college dropout level
2 Looks like I’m going with the British spelling
3 The second Queen Elizabeth, not the big boat
4 I don’t appear to be educated enough to embed this video
5 Fixed, cheers

...and followup

The rabidly pro-remain userbase of the website is livid.

I voted Brexit.png

I voted Brexit 2.png

I voted Brexit 3.png

IDIOT.png
 
Back