The Final Fantasy Thread

[Berrakh]

Which is just weird because FF7 has a really good twist and most people don't actually know what it is. (It's not Aeris dying)

Unreliable Narrator? Yep.

Probably a reference to the shitty English translation of the original game where Cloud says "let's mosey" at the end of the game and everyone makes fun of him for it. If anything, Cloud and Tifa should have southern accents. They're from Nibelheim, which is in the sticks, and Tifa even wears a cowgirl outfit in the flashbacks.

I guess he gets it from her? That's like a trope for couples or whatever?

FF2 had some deaths; Minwu, Ricard, and Josef are all temporary party members that die over the course of the game. Then of course you have Tellah and Galuf.

What separates Aerith's death was that it was a death of a character that seemed like a permanent party member. FF2 and 4 had a revolving door of playable characters based on where you were in the story so most of them ended up feeling expendable anyway, and Galuf's death is somewhat offset by the fact that Krille inherited his stats and abilities. You're certainly right that death wasn't new to the Final Fantasy series or JRPGs in general, it's just that 7 was the first one that made it actually matter.

It was a lot of things. One it was a girl, the other it was a character game pretty savvily manipulates you into feeling invested in as a player, and she just seemed so plot critical they'd never kill her. In fact a lot of Disc 2 is wheel spinning or something close to it because the Forgotten Capital was pretty much the last point where the party was participating in the main conflict and Sephiroth's plan was being stymied. And the simple fact that you don't get a replacement at all and the tone of the game drastically shifts in disc 2. You do get people to replace Tellah, and you get a mechanically carbon copy to replace Galuf.

But no, characters dying was not a unique twist at all. That's correct. But people still remember that she dies for a reason.

 

[verissimus]

Tellah from FF4 and Galuf from FF5 say hi. No wait, they don't because they're dead. Also, Shadow could die in FF6 if you didn't wait for him long enough. Some playable characters from FF2 died too, but I don't remember who because I never got very far in that game before becoming fed up with it. So death of playable characters was not only not new to JRPGs, but wasn't even new to the series.

I completely forgot about Tellah. Can't personally comment on FF2 or FF5.

I'm noticing that Aerith says the word "mosey" quite often. Was nomura trying to depict her as Southern? Because I don't think she said it in the original game or Kingdom hearts.

I'd have to double check but I think Cloud actually used that word in the original. Also, I'm only aware of her saying that once in the remake nor do I get what makes you think that's a Southern thing. Finally, if Nomura wanted to try to depict her as Southern or make her act that way in jest then she should have been more like those two chocobo coachmen/handlers in the game, especially that guy that sounded a bit like Sam Elliot.

I'm not sure how to feel about this part. On the one hand, this is mostly for people who already know who Sephiroth is, and the magic could never be recaptured. On the other hand, well... Yeah, it's pretty over the top and dumb.

I feel like it would have been received better had it been announced as a reimagining from the start. Which I think like one guy said, but Squeenix leaned on the remake angle hardcore. Sequel would probably be more accurate, but the entire premise, dumb as it may be, wouldn't work from that angle.

I admit some of the times that he did show up made sense or was alright if only to provide a sense of dread for Cloud. That was ok, but why they felt the need to pretty much replicate the Nibelheim flashback scene between Sephiroth and Jenova plus Chapter 18 was just too much. My only other issue is that I feel like they're going to retread the Nibelheim flashback scene in the next installment anyway.

That reminds me...does anyone know what exactly was the deal with Aeris response to Cloud about Sephiroth being alive (happens shortly after they encounter the guy with the number 2 tattoo)? Is this just Square getting too carried away with making her too omniscient in the game?

 

[Berrakh]

I completely forgot about Tellah. Can't personally comment on FF2 or FF5.

I've heard people bring up Galuf as a counterpoint. And putting aside the fact that we never got 5 when it was new it's really not the same. Like Tellah he's an old man, he dies in an epic moment, you get replacements (in G's case someone with all his stats and powers), and you suspected Galuf might die because all his old timer friends had been dying around this point as well. Plus FFV really has a "nobody's really gone" tone where they show up at the end pretty brazenly as spirits. .

2, similar to 4, has guest party members who bite it pretty regularly and many lack characterization. You feel bad for them but it's not the same. I'd equate it more to AVALANCHE dying in the OG. I think people, reponding to 7's popularity, took aim at Aeris dying and tried to dress it down by making it seem like it was just shock value and other contrived reasons why other deaths were actually superior. And these reasons usually missed what would actually make people care about a character dying but sounded theoretically impressive. For Galuf the big thing was "he died in combat", which does not make people miss him more. Nor did it draw people in because it was a clearly scripted battle. It actually just made me wonder why our heroes never replicated his last stand or anything like it. Aeris dying stands out because it is truly permanent and it just feels wrong/inglorious.

That reminds me...does anyone know what exactly was the deal with Aeris response to Cloud about Sephiroth being alive (happens shortly after they encounter the guy with the number 2 tattoo)? Is this just Square getting too carried away with making her too omniscient in the game?

No idea. Some of this stuff could be dramatic irony and she only knows some stuff about the future so we can't really understand what's going on with her. Which is a problem. I am hoping she doesn't just know everything because it's so much more dramatic if she only knows some things and has to wrestle with how to apply that knowledge. Because it is imperfect so she can maybe make things better, or throw the future off and make things worse.

 

[verissimus]

I think people, reponding to 7's popularity, took aim at Aeris dying and tried to dress it down by making it seem like it was just shock value and other contrived reasons why other deaths were actually superior. And these reasons usually missed what would actually make people care about a character dying but sounded theoretically impressive.

I'm reminded of some quote by or attributed to Poe as to why he has young women die in his tales. Something about how their deaths were the most shocking/emotionally jarring because, at least for people back then, they considered women more innocent and physically frail which quite frankly is an attitude I still share for the most part.

 

[Berrakh]

I'm reminded of some quote by or attributed to Poe as to why he has young women die in his tales. Something about how their deaths were the most shocking/emotionally jarring because, at least for people back then, they considered women more innocent and physically frail which quite frankly is an attitude I still share for the most part.

The fact it's a young woman is not accidental. The developers did say they thought about killing Barrett but that killing the "stubborn older guy" was too obvious. And it's entirely natural to see women's lives as less disposable for our species. It's an unstated "sexist" attitude everyone just has.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

The fact it's a young woman is not accidental. The developers did say they thought about killing Barrett but that killing the "stubborn older guy" was too obvious. And it's entirely natural to see women's lives as less disposable for our species. It's an unstated "sexist" attitude everyone just has.

I wonder if Barrett's 2 second death in FF7R is a reference to that or if it just came up randomly.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

...What? Do you mean no popular characters, or literally nothing from FF?

I mean, to be fair, when I think of Tactics (any of them), the first thing that comes to mind is the generic class units and not the main/story/hidden characters (and that's despite loving me some Ramza and Mustadio). But you said it's a gatcha, so...that is kinda weird and dumb. Wtf?

You can get Ramza and TG Cid as "guest" AI controlled characters and that is about it.

 

[Shield Breaker]

FFXII

Gambits are genius and should be implemented more in JRPGs.

I hated the gambit system because they rețardedly made you buy / find the necessary modifiers for it to be useful.

hmm okay there is a Gatcha style Tactics game that sounds..okayish fun for a mobile game

*looks at character list* Why..would you release a Final Fantasy Tactics Gatcha game..and have..no Final Fantasy Characters in it?

The only good FF gacha is FFRK, because you get a shit ton of in game currency and a lot of free pull draws or item picks. It basically recreates all of the games in FF6's style.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I think the Wheelchair part is going to get cut or at least heavily altered.

They're going to probably have cloud spirit fighting monsters in the lifestream itself while he's in a comatose state.

Also the remake is still sold out everywhere, this hasn't happened to a final fantasy title since forever, you actually had to preorder. The game is also much better than 12,13,13,-2,Lightning Returns, and 15. The battle system really does perfect the Action RPG feel they've been going for since Kingdom hearts. They nailed everything in it and the framework from the first game does give a ton to work with if they're going down the route of having multiple timelines and outcomes.

 

[Bender]

Man, i loved how a bunch faggots where throwing a hissy fit if you said that aeris dies
Its not like its the most popular spoiler of these past 2 decades...

wtf, she dies? but she's not even as good as tifa or jessie. oh nvm i get it ur just trolling, faggot

Is Nomura even fluent in English?

He's tragically incapable of making a story in Japanese, so no, I doubt very much he's fluent in English.

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

I hated the gambit system because they rețardedly made you buy / find the necessary modifiers for it to be useful.

That was pretty annoying, yes.

The only good FF gacha is FFRK, because you get a shit ton of in game currency and a lot of free pull draws or item picks. It basically recreates all of the games in FF6's style.

I liked FFRK, and it was relatively forgiving for a gacha game, so I played the JP version for several years. But eventually the F2P game model just pissed me off too much. The limited stamina and slow recharge so you "have" to play whenever the stamina is full or you'll be wasting it on one hand, then when you really wanted to play you would run out and they would want you to buy more on the other. The constant limited-time pulls and events, all the time trying to get you to spend money. The incessant randomness of gacha where you might never get what you really want, or even anything good at all. In general, the fun being deliberately drained dry and then sold back to you by a remorseless chiseler. Just a relentless feeling of being exploited and manipulated, and nearly all other F2P games are worse than this. I got out after wasting a few hundred on it and swearing off any and all games with the stamina model ever again. Fallen London was a casualty of this burnout.

Also they never gave you enough inventory space for all those limited pull items that they were always selling you. What the hell, SE. And after a while they really slowed down on new characters, and added a bunch of gameplay gimmicks that I didn't care for. But mostly it was the stamina gameplay model.

 

[Burned Man]

If they do the full flashback sequence I wonder how they will try to hide the fact you can interact with the real Cloud during it. The new Shinra helmets aren't a full facemask and now there is voice acting too. I wonder if they will bait and switch and use Zack assest for him or if they will just use random assests for the stand in.

 

[madeinabyss31]

I hated the gambit system because they rețardedly made you buy / find the necessary modifiers for it to be useful.

Luckily there are so many places to farm for money in the game, and even now a trial mode that connects to the story mode that has the diamond bangle exploit, that you never really have to worry about spending money on gambit types.

 

[Berrakh]

Luckily there are so many places to farm for money in the game, and even now a trial mode that connects to the story mode that has the diamond bangle exploit, that you never really have to worry about spending money on gambit types.

do tell. Still need to beat Yiazmat.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Oh god don't tell me people are actually praising the voiceover work?

I did see Max Mittleman tweeting about it so I assume he's in it? Hopefully hes the only decent one.

I will never accept anyone named Cody Christian as Cloud Strife lol

 

[Radical Cadre]

Voice acting is one of the major factors that has made video games worse over the years.

They suck and they bloat the game's overall size.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

I will never accept anyone named Cody Christian as Cloud Strife lol

He's okay, but honestly he sounds so much like Steve Burton I have no idea why they didn't just use Burton.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Oh god don't tell me people are actually praising the voiceover work?

There are some great voices in the game. Barret is as good as he has any right to be. Don Corneo is fun. Reno and Rude are good.

My only complaint about the VAs is how similar the main cast sounds to one another. Tifa and Aeris both speak the same way and sound very similar, as do Cloud and Red XIII. They should've given Tifa a different accent from Aeris since they're from different regions of the world. And Red XIII should probably have some kind of affectation since he's, you know, a tiger.

 

[madeinabyss31]

There are some great voices in the game. Barret is as good as he has any right to be. Don Corneo is fun. Reno and Rude are good.

My only complaint about the VAs is how similar the main cast sounds to one another. Tifa and Aeris both speak the same way and sound very similar, as do Cloud and Red XIII. They should've given Tifa a different accent from Aeris since they're from different regions of the world. And Red XIII should probably have some kind of affectation since he's, you know, a tiger.

I thought Barrett was awful. It's a voice that is really only good coming from Mr. T in the 80s and in text.

 

[Marissa Moira]

do tell. Still need to beat Yiazmat.

Farm for Dark Matter/Dark Energy bombs of any type, tell your party to throw them at the target, watch everything melt. Dark matter is harder to get in the HD re-release but Dark Energy is easier and does a flat 50,000 damage every time you use one.