💬 Off-Topic "The Good Ones" - For the 1% of trannies that pass and/or aren't otherwise fucking insane

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The most tolerable ones are the ones who stay the fuck away from Twitter and genuinely are just minding their own business.

I know two in real life who are okay to be around. They don’t have an online footprint as far as I know, which is a good thing
 
thegooddoctor said:
I agree, it’s not really about proper discussion, it’s about saying it from such a pedestal, we have a lot of truth here but anything said in even the most mildly positive trans inclusion gets people reeing. If there was an attempt to cut back on the venomous discussion sometimes and less jokes and from a more calm and analytical take on dismantling the trans narrative I think more people would take it more seriously. I am not against making edgy jokes, but the extreme hostility some users have here make it near impossible for others to take seriously. I have personally some trans people that are grounded people if they keep to themselves aren’t being abrasive about it.
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I've been of the opinion for quite some time that the transgender disorder is actually real and that it is so rare that the vast majority of the weirdos that we see online are perverted loser men and depressed young women that are disgusted with the way men treat them. Because actual transgender people are pretty damn rare, I have no problem making fun of the fetishists we see plastered all over the farms. The biggest problem is that there is no easy agreed upon word to refer to the fetishists, so words like "tranny" get used (I often use it myself), and both categories get conflated to the point that people deny that there is a distinction.

Really, I hope that the woke cult and the tranny grift wane so that actual transgender people can get help and that we see less of these disgusting fetishists. Fat chance of that though.
 
Quickfix said:
Not so much about troons but about how they're discussed.


I hate how kf has reached the echochamber level where anyone going slightly against the grain when people are criticizing "thing" gets accused of being some stereotypical supporter of "thing".

I don't mean that as "me smarter than dumb kiwis" either, it's got nothing to do with me it's a site culture I saw when lurking way before making an account.

In kiwifarms case peak schizo is when the "thing" is anything trans related. Eg, I was against posting minors on here in some trans thread and about 3 people thought that meant I wanted kids to get GRS. No one should base their knowledge on trans people on kf, not because trans people are perfect but because of kf is so skewed in one direction you will never get unbiased info.

The irony is, I actually signed up for kiwifarms partly to be able to shit on trans shit on social media but kf was so schizo and cruel (I dislike telling people to kill themselves) about it that it actually made me more pro trans in a "this is what they have to deal with?" Sorta way. Plus I just fucking quit social media.

Edit: "more pro trans" not "more trans".
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Quickfix said:
Not so much about troons but about how they're discussed.


I hate how kf has reached the echochamber level where anyone going slightly against the grain when people are criticizing "thing" gets accused of being some stereotypical supporter of "thing".

I don't mean that as "me smarter than dumb kiwis" either, it's got nothing to do with me it's a site culture I saw when lurking way before making an account.

In kiwifarms case peak schizo is when the "thing" is anything trans related. Eg, I was against posting minors on here in some trans thread and about 3 people thought that meant I wanted kids to get GRS. No one should base their knowledge on trans people on kf, not because trans people are perfect but because of kf is so skewed in one direction you will never get unbiased info.

The irony is, I actually signed up for kiwifarms partly to be able to shit on trans shit on social media but kf was so schizo and cruel (I dislike telling people to kill themselves) about it that it actually made me more pro trans in a "this is what they have to deal with?" Sorta way. Plus I just fucking quit social media.

Edit: "more pro trans" not "more trans".
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IMHO. No one want's to kill all trannies. I'ts just that the culture and media nowadays don't allow people to vent. When i see someone saying TTD i dont see psychos, i see people that have been denied the outlet to vent their frustrations. If i come here and say fuck all trannies let them burn in hell, i do not mean every single one. Hell this is a message forum in the ancient style. If a person posting here looks like a psycho to you he/she may be something different if you were to meet him/her IRL.
 
I really think this person will not be trans forever. They have genuine issues they are working on and I think quite confidently as they learn to feel better about themselves they will see the light so to speak. Thats my idea of a good tranny if we have to have one, one that is moving to untrans and is not socially isolated but does not have access to children whilst trans. Isn't terminally online etc.

A well-known friend, a generous/thoughtful quiet, and softly spoken young man got his first girlfriend. She had just the most horrendous case of bpd and from what I saw he got sucked in fast. Worse, she was manipultive and unhinged. She lied about being on birth control and got pregnant which she later used to manipulatively say that she didn't trust this boy. He wanted to be there for the child and she allows them to raise it together living as a couple. This lasts for a year and a half or so, and I don't hear from him for ages, despite trying to make contact. Assume gone.

I get a message 3 years ago last month from someone I half-recognise as him as a crossdressery type pfp which was one of his new selfies. We catch up living and work situations, and then he informs me of how he only has video calls now with his little boy. Apparently she left him, kicked him out with no notice, and told to leave. He goes. He does this because she tells him she will call the police. Since police policy is to split the male and leave the female at home with the child as a peference they would just make the situation worse, no less than him being a nigger with a tomorrowperson child, and she being white as they come. After a couple months of just nothing in total in terms of father/son contact, she comes back needing money. He provides and she agrees to like, limited phone calls. She asks for more and he is allowed the video calls afterwards.

I saw them a few times in person at this stage and they came to a party I held with some close friends just before covid kicked off. They really changed and not becauase they'd changed into a transwoman. For reference they are tall and Jamaican such that they're like Grace Jones but also an amateur ex-rugby player. Each time I couldn't help but notice how nervous and socially anxious they'd become. They constantly worried about imposing and being a burden and always paid for drinks and things and they were NOT doing that well financially. They looked so uncomfortable and even their laugh was a yikes. Just painfully, obviously broken, and sad.

We lost touch for about a year and a half and then they sent a long apology along with all of the same polite questions we asked of one another last-time we caught up. I find out that alot had happened in that time, oh boy. This is when my friend made the decision to detrans to give his son a normal childhood he had finished mulling over the decision to go back to financially supporting them all (minus him since in reality she spent it fucking all on clothes and takeout). He moved back in and surprise they get back together. She starts drinking now he can effectively look after the son and give her time 'off'. She is a problem drinker and starts hitting him, getting nastier and nastier, then she tries to stab him. He agrees not to call the police but she stops drinking. She breaks up with him only a short time later where in she makes him immediately homeless and only lets him take what he can pack in a very short time, like 30mins iirc. She never drank during her pregnancy. That being said I vividly remember them in their early days wherein she started a fight with with more than one person and another friend when we used to drink together as a group.

Throughout Christmas and early this year they remain homeless and after a month in some type of house-sharing arrangement they got their own place. It took them so long because they give so much money for the boy and his mother. He has not had contact with his son since and when that happened he transed immediately again. I'm glad they are doing well, and I'd tried to help them out by giving them our spare flat but it meant them moving a few hundred miles, and they wanted local council housing in their area. Furthermore they were also reluctant to accept any financial help or gifts at the time. I found that quite respectable in its own way. They are on HRT and seem very loosely committed to living their life this way and I don't attribute his changes to him suddenly thinking he is a girl so much as him being through all of this. His father was taken out of the picture earlier for abusing them as a young child I found out when having a deep conversation with them about it and they know its cope but he thinks it gives him strength. He is painfully nice but is foreveralone and he knows it. He is open to going back to living as a male if and when he feels doubt but claims to have had bad but manageable dysphoria when queried about it alone.

I have a lot of time for him because he doesn't complain much about his lot, and is deep down just a nice boy who wants to be liked a bit too much. Personally I don't care for how he looks but if he just wants to keep his head down and hang out with our pretty boring friend group im not gonna exclude him for being momentarily freakish. He's had enough isolation and I worry about what any more would do to them. Thankfully their life is going alright now, he has gotten some control over his own money and he was finally convinced by other friends to go to court and settle the correct amount of child support to pay. After everything I really stopped hoping he would improve but he surprised me and turned it around a bit. I don't know if I could manage the same.
 
Manwithamask2 said:
IMHO. No one want's to kill all trannies. I'ts just that the culture and media nowadays don't allow people to vent. When i see someone saying TTD i dont see psychos, i see people that have been denied the outlet to vent their frustrations. If i come here and say fuck all trannies let them burn in hell, i do not mean every single one. Hell this is a message forum in the ancient style. If a person posting here looks like a psycho to you he/she may be something different if you were to meet him/her IRL.
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I used to believe this about a lot of topics in the Autistic Thunderdome, but they just keep getting angrier.
 
Trombonista said:
I used to believe this about a lot of topics in the Autistic Thunderdome, but they just keep getting angrier.
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I avoid deep thoughts like a plague now... But that's a cost of free speech, you get people in all places venting the frustration they can't have in other public forums.

Merton J. Dingle said:
I've been of the opinion for quite some time that the transgender disorder is actually real
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The problem with "the transgender disorder is actually real but very rare" is that it fails to count the cultural differences between the 1st world countries and many cultures around the world that do not have the concept of transgenderism that resembles the west/1st world e.g. cultures with 'third gender' but people of those third gender still accept their actual, physical sex - or the difference between transitioning as a lifestyle in the poor countries vs a treatment for a psychiatric condition and a bureaucratic procedure in the developed, rich countries.

Dysphoria is indeed a real feeling, but the reason we treated it differently from anorexia or body integrity disorder is purely historical. Largely come from the strict, mechanistic world view and the lack of thorough understanding of sex development in the early 20th century - the believe that men and women should behave in a certain way.. as well as the ideas to castrate homosexuals back then. There are a lot of unscientific stuff that got into science simply because it's a social norm of the time.

In an ideal world I'd remove legal gender change alltogether (except in the case of real intersex people) and leave transitioning to be understood as a cosmetic alteration that will not change the reality and people who feel dysphoric should be treated with other measures with the purpose of getting them to accept their body. Part of why I think even with gatekeeping, old school therapy still failed them because there were the promise of 'sex change being possible' even though that was the last line of treatment. We were selling lies to people regardless.
 
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@Deepland Bystander it won't let me quote you directly.
In an ideal world I'd remove legal gender change alltogether (except in the case of real intersex people) and leave transitioning to be understood as a cosmetic alteration that will not change the reality and people who feel dysphoric should be treated with other measures with the purpose of getting them to accept their body. Part of why I think even with gatekeeping, old school therapy still failed them because there were the promise of 'sex change being possible' even though that was the last line of treatment. We were selling lies to people regardless.
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Right there with you on the legal matters. Outside of prisons and shelters there's nothing that the government needs to know a gender for without violating the 14th amendment. US focused obviously. Prisons and shelters could be handled by having trans-specific facilities for both the safety of the other residents and trans people.

But yeah, I'm with a lot of people in this thread in that I find anything to do with trans discourse tiring any more. People shouldn't fry their brains gawking at the worst 1% of a demographic then thinking everyone is like that. The fact is that people who aren't terminally online don't give a shit outside what leaks into the mainstream. (Which is leaking into the mainstream to divide and distract people, but that's heavily off topic here.) Actual groomers like Keffals and Yanniv deserve to get shit, so stop giving them cover by calling everyone who doesn't call for a trans genocide a groomer.
 
Montalbane said:
Also even if there are legit trannies out there they are still part of the HRT gravemind and thusly deserving of ridicule.
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Anyone that self-identifies as a tranny is a bad one almost by definition.

The good ones just exist and no one online knows they're trans. Vanishingly small minority though, as that requires a well-adjusted individual. And none that I'm aware of would even consider SRS.
 
Trombonista said:
I used to believe this about a lot of topics in the Autistic Thunderdome, but they just keep getting angrier.
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You can even see it in this very thread. The trans debate blows up out of nowhere and suddenly everyone has to have an opinion about it. Mainstream media aggressively pushes for immediate and unconditional acceptance. The push back becomes equally immediate and aggressive. All this over a naturally tiny demographic that became artificially inflated because of current trends.

Deepland Bystander said:
In an ideal world I'd remove legal gender change alltogether (except in the case of real intersex people) and leave transitioning to be understood as a cosmetic alteration that will not change the reality and people who feel dysphoric should be treated with other measures with the purpose of getting them to accept their body.
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Can't agree with this idea that mental disorders relating to transgenderism (or the majority of mental disorders for that matter) can just be coped away if you cope hard enough. It's possible to have early-onset, long-lasting, intense tranny thoughts. Then it becomes like trying to cure dyslexia, colorblindness or diabetes by pretending you don't have it. The trans debate climate would be a lot better off if people admitted that they just find trannies disgusting and would rather not risk accidentally dating a girl who has a pickle, instead of faking concern for the tranny's welfare and mental health by telling them to avoid transition at any cost. It's the same level of delusional as groomers telling teens that transitioning will always solve all their problems and that they'll 41% if they don't transition right now.

Jean Lafitte 1812 said:
Prisons and shelters could be handled by having trans-specific facilities for both the safety of the other residents and trans people.
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Placing trans inmates in solitary confinement and housing them in the prison matching their current state of sex reassignment, like our goddess CWC, is a good compromise without having to build extra prison infrastructure just for a tiny demographic.
 
Programmer Socks said:
Blair White isn't even vaguely convincing as a woman. Not even .0000001% convincing. Everything about him screams MAN.

I'm watching some of his Youtube content today and he just appears as an affected, overtly-camp, try-hard cross dresser. He's in a constant performative mode which is exhausting to watch - the theatrics of his voice and body language are so unnatural and forced. He's a ludicrous caricature of what a fetish-addled male brain thinks a woman is.

All of that goes double for Samantha Lux who appears even more as a camp male. The way both Blair White and Samantha Lux eye-fuck the camera whilst playing with their hair tells you everything you need to know. Skin walkers.
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Lmfao I remember they tried saying that big ass dutch bitch wasn't clockable.. like fuck outta here you fucking liars
 
The OK trannies are trannies you either don't know about or those who keep mum on troonism. It applies to every demographics around regardless of religion, kink, race, sex, etc. You wanna have your cock chopped? Your choice, dude. But if you wanna keep posting about it on twatter 24/7 declaring your 40+ skinny ass a 16 years old UwU gurl - you are gonna be ridiculed. It's not abour "X-phobia" or "nazis", it's just that people whose whole mind is occupied by ideology are funny autists.
 
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