The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

The Division did that "enemies call each other's names" thing, and due to the amount of people you kill in computer games it quickly lost its edge and became memed into oblivion. The developers got in on the joke and added challenges referencing it, and canonised the idea that an infamous criminal called Alex was everything from a five foot white girl to an eight foot black dude depending on who was talking about them.

The sequel dropped it and had the enemies use more general alerts.
 
A man chooses, a slave obeys.

Are you calling all homos slaves, a type of second class citizen?

What is wrong with you?
Trooning is a choice, being cis is obedience to nature.

Will you choose...
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...or obey?
 
That's exactly what it is. Make you have to do all this horrible shit with Ellie to try to have you side with post transition Brock Lesnar when they go all roid rage on the characters you like and bought the game because of...and Ellie's girlfriend.

Seen articles trying to justify it as "it will make you question if Ellie/Joel are the heroes you thought they were." The first game already covered that in a much smarter way then whatever they were attempting here.
I'm not surprised that this is Druckmann's attempt to do what all miserable woke hacks try to do; kill a character they didn't make's appeal and personality so their new character looks better by comparison. He, like all these crybullies and freaks given a creative role, doesn't understand that you can't force someone to like a new character they created. The character has to be done well first, and since Druckmann's a fart huffing emotionally retarded edgelord, that's not happening.

Plus, rearing down just means you're lowering the quality of everything, not actually making it good. Hacks like this faggot and the hacks he fanboys over are too retarded to understand this. They don't get this would be like having a nice steak, and then going back next week to find mulched bug patties as the new menu item and the old steaks being intentionally fucked with by being burned and raw at the same time, with cheap shitty soy sauce added to it. Then you have the new chef, who kicked out the old chef, reee and cry to the crowd that you not liking his bug patties means you are a bigot. The waiters, many hires of this faggot chef, all bleat in agreement, and the local food critic also shits on you for not eating the bugs since he got bribed 50 bucks for it.

This of course ignoring that the new product after that, liquid kale shakes, fucking bombs and the restaurant is hemmorhaging money. Oh, and the owner only doesn't know because they're busy at a different location and trusted the new head chef after the old one quit to not fuck up the place.

Seriously, how hard is it to grok that tearing down what's left before doesn't automatically make your diarrhea better?
 
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The Division did that "enemies call each other's names" thing, and due to the amount of people you kill in computer games it quickly lost its edge and became memed into oblivion. The developers got in on the joke and added challenges referencing it, and canonised the idea that an infamous criminal called Alex was everything from a five foot white girl to an eight foot black dude depending on who was talking about them.

The sequel dropped it and had the enemies use more general alerts.
But was he alexander the great?
 
So, uh, it seems the Consoomer Defense Force is out in full force in r/GamingCircleJerk making some top 'quality' memes.
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In fact, one of the brave Consoomers, u/infinitysaga (a man with 14,088 reddit karma ironically enough) decided to bravely descend into the alt-right hellscape of gamergaters that is...Know Your Meme, to bravely defend Sempai Druckman from those evil gamer bros by posting top-quality memes.
It, uh, didn't go so well.
(When fucking Know Your Meme laughs you out, you have a pretty big problem).
 
These killable dog characters make me wonder: Did they have to watch "reference" videos of dogs being killed? That would be so fucked up if someone had to actually watch videos of real dogs being tortured and killed.

I see some people saying on reddit that no one should be upset about being able to kill dogs in the game, because other games have done this before too. I disagree with that, because I'm betting that the dogs dying in this game will be far worse than what any other game has done when it comes to killing animals.

Given what we know about this game so far, Druckmann has gone out of his way to make it as violent as possible. With that in mind, Ellie won't just shoot the dogs and then they'll quickly die. No, Druckmann probably made it to where we will have to beat the shit out of the dog, and we'll hear every pained whimper, cry, and yelp. We'll see every pained expression and get to watch the poor dog writhe in agony as it slowly succumbs to its injuries. At that point, the owner will come out, cry it's name and demonize Ellie.

I'm starting to think Druckmann's adding dogs so that he can more easily demonize Ellie. The big issue plaguing the ending is that players won't feel inclined to play as a hulking steroid monster beating the shit out of the protagonist, but the game's trying to make Ellie into something of an antagonist. What easier way to show one's villainy than having them kill dogs? And not just any dogs, but dogs that belong to Abby's group (presumably). Then we'd have to feel sorry for them! It's a cheap and easy way to play with the audience's emotions.

We probably won't be able to tell until the game is actually out, but even so this whole situation with the dogs has been amusing in its wrong-headedness.

I think you are spot on, which is why I am certain that these dog's deaths will be extremely graphic and absolutely brutal.
 
lol at all the socialist, Marxist, communist SJWS going "BUY THIS FROM BIG BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION." As always, commies are hypocritical, authoritarian faggots who deserve to be lined up and shot. Live free or die, cunts.

Kill la Kill is edgy huh?

Also obligatory : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

No, but Akame Ga Kill is. It is also inferior the the manga. Which I suggest everyone read, as it is leagues better.

Watching people mock the hell out of this crappy emotional manipulation shit is great.

Also, all the NPCs have names and their friends whil cry when you kill them.

Seriously.
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I have no joke, walked up to enemies wounded helplessly on the ground and shot them in the head execution style.

For them to go "Fuck you, YOU KILLED BILLIE."

Well, uh, don't shoot at me when I've mowed down 50 of you? Maybe you should surrender?

Honestly, it'd make me laugh and want to put an arrow in the guy's eye. Its all because people don't play videogames.

What players DO find uncomfortable is shooting NPCs that run away from you or are unarmed or not in any way, shape or form involved with hurting your character or part of the evil plot. That's why Spec: Ops the Line was so brutal in doing this. This is why people were shocked by 'No Russian' in CoD. That's why it hurt to kill your infected soldiers in MGSV, who hadn't done anything wrong, but risked killing everyone else. And that was personal, because some of those guys I had fun doing missions with. And I personally had to execute them because there was no cure and they'd either infect everyone or die in agony.

That's how you get to the player. But this game is too stupid to do that or understand that. An enemy trying to kill me where I can't avoid them or can't make peace with them is not going to make me care. Especially if they're armed. You shoot at me, you die. Of course he has friends. Make them drop to their knees crying and the second they pick up a gun I'll shoot them without a second thought.

If you force me to kill crying, unarmed civilians, I will delete your game, call you a cunt, and never play it again. It kinda disappointed me in Spec Ops: The Line you HAD to do the White Phosporous. It'd have been nicer if it were a choice, but there are other choices where you can choose, so it evens out.

This is just sad, and a complete misunderstanding of gaming, and gamers in general. We love to fuck with NPCs that try to kill us. It is VERY difficult to make people who play games kill innocent people deliberately in serious titles. In Saint's Row and GTA, you're kind of expected to fuck around a ton since its this over the top feeling. But in a serious game like this, I don't have any qualms about murdering some guy shooting at me then having his friend cry over him while he shoots at me. Is this supposed to make me care?

Generally, developers don't put players in very uncomftorable scenarios where they have to kill innocent people. Because its not what we want to do. Even for example you're forced to kill a child soldier hopped up on coke and drugs who you can't negotiate with, who will kill you if you don't kill him. Most people would have trouble doing that.

Which is why developers DON'T FUCKING DO THAT. They understand it so much.

MGS3 did that first.

Actually come to think of it, I think this scene does what Druckmann's trying to do only so much better. MGS3 keeps track of everyone you ever killed throughout the game, and the game remembers how you killed them. For example, if you blow someone up, they'll comment about their flesh burning. The fight with the Sorrow and its difficulty is entirely dependent on how many people you've killed so far. The game never makes you try to feel bad or get you to feel guilty, but seeing the number of people you've killed so far does provoke an emotional reaction, like holy shit I've killed a lot of people. It's actually a lot more natural because it's dependent on your choices, and the game's showing you how those choices ended other people's lives.

I always did MGS games with 0 kills and I was like, 'Why am I walking through a scary river?'. Note: They also counted people you threw off ledges. When I did a Big Boss game going ape-shit, it took me like 10 goddamn minutes.

Just got to the dog bit. A college lesson from creative writing/storytelling 101 that has always stayed with me:

NEVER have the main character kill the dog. The only acceptable time is for euthanasia purposes when the dog is hurt doing something heroic to save the MC. Always have the dog either help you directly or as a reward for assisting it somewhere down the line. Never play with the readers like that, it will likely backfire horribly.

This is sadistic as fuck writing and is practically dripping with juvenile edge.
Holy shit man. :stress:

Its really the opposite: If your villain isn't evil enough to the audience, have them kill or abuse innocent animals. Most people are closer to the animals than their families. Its a framing device to make you fucking loathe this villain through something very simple. Like John Wick. "Hey he killed 50 people!" "But they killed his dog." "...he killed 50 people" "Dude, his dog was stomped to death bro". Guy Ritchie said this when he was making Snatch, that the scene of the main antagonist abusing dogs and having a fighting dog ring was to make you hate him more, and even people on the set were uncomfortable (he isn't shown hitting a dog, he's shown beating it through a cage with a POV shot from the dog, so you don't even see him do it.

And of course it holds true for the protagonist as well.

Animals typically represent innocence, especially dogs. They don't know why they're being hurt. A person who rescues or helps animals is viewed in a kinder, saintly light. While people who abuse them are viewed as downright evil. Its an awesome, simple writing trick that isn't excessive, doesn't need to constantly be done, and that one scene is enough to make your audience hate him as much as they can.

Its a brilliant little psychological device that pretty much won't fail you. Its much less heavy handed than a villain hurting kids, which is too obvious generally speaking. Hurting animals is metaphorically abuse of innocence, which is then translated into the viewers mind as abuse of family members, innocent family members, such as children. So you get the abuse of innocence across without having to resort to obvious tactics. Its one of the best literary tropes that really doesn't fail, even in bad media. It is a very handy tool to translate evil without resorting to mustache twirling.

Also, going with your anecdote: Never have your protagonist kill animals or hurt a child. Those are basically 2 hard and fast rules of writing any protagonist. Go against them at your own peril. (And when I talk about harming a child, just outright hurting them. Not giving a teenager a slap when he or she is losing it to get them to snap out of it. That's a different kind of character.)
 
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lol at all the socialist, Marxist, communist SJWS going "BUY THIS FROM BIG BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION." As always, commies are hypocritical, authoritarian faggots who deserve to be lined up and shot. Live free or die, cunts.
that's what happens when EVERYTHING is political
consooming media because a choice of morality
 
that's what happens when EVERYTHING is political
consooming media because a choice of morality

You know what's sad, I was raised where the only two things you didn't talk about were religion and politics to strangers. Now you can't talk to them about literally anything because if you like something, it means you like the people who made it, the random messages that people think it means, the creator, the star if he's a rapist....its fucking crazy how much idpol and SJWisim has divided people.
 
Don't be. Just don't buy shit games. Only way consumers can flex their power is with their money. If we don't buy it, they will stop making games like this. Remember, the ones that encourage this are a vocal minority and usually don't buy it.
If only that worked, look at all the fucking retards that bought the new pokemon games which were dumpster fires.
 
lol at all the socialist, Marxist, communist SJWS going "BUY THIS FROM BIG BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION." As always, commies are hypocritical, authoritarian faggots who deserve to be lined up and shot. Live free or die, cunts.



No, but Akame Ga Kill is. It is also inferior the the manga. Which I suggest everyone read, as it is leagues better.



I have no joke, walked up to enemies wounded helplessly on the ground and shot them in the head execution style.

For them to go "Fuck you, YOU KILLED BILLIE."

Well, uh, don't shoot at me when I've mowed down 50 of you? Maybe you should surrender?

Honestly, it'd make me laugh and want to put an arrow in the guy's eye. Its all because people don't play videogames.

What players DO find uncomfortable is shooting NPCs that run away from you or are unarmed or not in any way, shape or form involved with hurting your character or part of the evil plot. That's why Spec: Ops the Line was so brutal in doing this. This is why people were shocked by 'No Russian' in CoD. That's why it hurt to kill your infected soldiers in MGSV, who hadn't done anything wrong, but risked killing everyone else. And that was personal, because some of those guys I had fun doing missions with. And I personally had to execute them because there was no cure and they'd either infect everyone or die in agony.

That's how you get to the player. But this game is too stupid to do that or understand that. An enemy trying to kill me where I can't avoid them or can't make peace with them is not going to make me care. Especially if they're armed. You shoot at me, you die. Of course he has friends. Make them drop to their knees crying and the second they pick up a gun I'll shoot them without a second thought.

If you force me to kill crying, unarmed civilians, I will delete your game, call you a cunt, and never play it again. It kinda disappointed me in Spec Ops: The Line you HAD to do the White Phosporous. It'd have been nicer if it were a choice, but there are other choices where you can choose, so it evens out.

This is just sad, and a complete misunderstanding of gaming, and gamers in general. We love to fuck with NPCs that try to kill us. It is VERY difficult to make people who play games kill innocent people deliberately in serious titles. In Saint's Row and GTA, you're kind of expected to fuck around a ton since its this over the top feeling. But in a serious game like this, I don't have any qualms about murdering some guy shooting at me then having his friend cry over him while he shoots at me. Is this supposed to make me care?

Generally, developers don't put players in very uncomftorable scenarios where they have to kill innocent people. Because its not what we want to do. Even for example you're forced to kill a child soldier hopped up on coke and drugs who you can't negotiate with, who will kill you if you don't kill him. Most people would have trouble doing that.

Which is why developers DON'T FUCKING DO THAT. They understand it so much.



I always did MGS games with 0 kills and I was like, 'Why am I walking through a scary river?'. Note: They also counted people you threw off ledges. When I did a Big Boss game going ape-shit, it took me like 10 goddamn minutes.



Its really the opposite: If your villain isn't evil enough to the audience, have them kill or abuse innocent animals. Most people are closer to the animals than their families. Its a framing device to make you fucking loathe this villain through something very simple. Like John Wick. "Hey he killed 50 people!" "But they killed his dog." "...he killed 50 people" "Dude, his dog was stomped to death bro". Guy Ritchie said this when he was making Snatch, that the scene of the main antagonist abusing dogs and having a fighting dog ring was to make you hate him more, and even people on the set were uncomfortable (he isn't shown hitting a dog, he's shown beating it through a cage with a POV shot from the dog, so you don't even see him do it.

And of course it holds true for the protagonist as well.

Animals typically represent innocence, especially dogs. They don't know why they're being hurt. A person who rescues or helps animals is viewed in a kinder, saintly light. While people who abuse them are viewed as downright evil. Its an awesome, simple writing trick that isn't excessive, doesn't need to constantly be done, and that one scene is enough to make your audience hate him as much as they can.

Its a brilliant little psychological device that pretty much won't fail you. Its much less heavy handed than a villain hurting kids, which is too obvious generally speaking. Hurting animals is metaphorically abuse of innocence, which is then translated into the viewers mind as abuse of family members, innocent family members, such as children. So you get the abuse of innocence across without having to resort to obvious tactics. Its one of the best literary tropes that really doesn't fail, even in bad media. It is a very handy tool to translate evil without resorting to mustache twirling.

Also, going with your anecdote: Never have your protagonist kill animals or hurt a child. Those are basically 2 hard and fast rules of writing any protagonist. Go against them at your own peril. (And when I talk about harming a child, just outright hurting them. Not giving a teenager a slap when he or she is losing it to get them to snap out of it. That's a different kind of character.)
This whole dog thing as well as his general douchebaggery makes me think that when he was a kid, Cuckmann was more or less a beta male version of Dio Brando

So, uh, it seems the Consoomer Defense Force is out in full force in r/GamingCircleJerk making some top 'quality' memes.
3i0xx1beeax41.png
dcdtkuw27fx41.jpg
nt5d3q8qs9x41.jpg
In fact, one of the brave Consoomers, u/infinitysaga (a man with 14,088 reddit karma ironically enough) decided to bravely descend into the alt-right hellscape of gamergaters that is...Know Your Meme, to bravely defend Sempai Druckman from those evil gamer bros by posting top-quality memes.
It, uh, didn't go so well.
(When fucking Know Your Meme laughs you out, you have a pretty big problem).
Oh yeah I was there when it happened. On another note a similar thing happened during the Vic situation when a user named Vit started spamming Kickvic memes before moving on to posting videos by d list videos about how pewdiepie was the anti christ. He eventually gave up and so far hasn’t posted for months.
 
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