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Does anyone else have the issue where they can only launch steam through the terminal and not a shortcut I think it has something to do with hardware accelration but i'm confused why a shortcut would break that.
 
The Saltening said:
i have literally spent and hour trying to do a simple package update
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zypper update....

it's probably the first result putting "update package <distribution>" into any search engine of choice.
this might make me sound like a typical "linux elitist asshole", but a lot of linux questions really do have that simple of an answer.

Aidan said:
You're sending him mixed signals, as he's already checking out EndeavourOS. OpenSUSE seems like an odd distro for someone focused on gaming but I'm not able to comment much beyond that.
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15.6 is just the latest stable with updates since then. tumbleweed is the rolling release distro which should be up to date (they specifically mention gaming stuff), currently on 6.14:

you might have to add the non-oss repos for steam etc yourself tho.

Judge Dredd said:
Maybe. But it's not about GoG specifically. I used X and Y before, but it could be anything really. My point was more general. People want to do something. But you're not supposed to do it, because Linux doesn't do it well.
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or the question is simply retarded, see my "I NEED photoshop to crop and resize images". it's not toxic elitism telling someone he's retarded, especially when it comes from someone who does know better.
 
ZMOT said:
zypper update....

it's probably the first result putting "update package <distribution>" into any search engine of choice.
this might make me sound like a typical "linux elitist asshole", but a lot of linux questions really do have that simple of an answer.
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I did figure that out. However I had a number of other issues so I just switched to arch with endeavourOS. Pretty smooth sailing.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Maybe. But it's not about GoG specifically. I used X and Y before, but it could be anything really. My point was more general. People want to do something. But you're not supposed to do it, because Linux doesn't do it well.

Speaking of which. I always found it strange when people have the attitude that games and other entertainment are a waste of good hardware. But then I wonder what these people do with their hardware. Word processing, web browsing, and email are well handled by even cheap machines. Maybe CAD and web development?
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idc about the hardware. I genuinely think gaming is a waste of your life. I look at it about the same as people that make their life about gooning or doing drugs. All of them waste it, are distractions from productive things you could do. And the people do them always cope about, no actually it's not bad that I do this.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
idc about the hardware. I genuinely think gaming is a waste of your life. I look at it about the same as people that make their life about gooning or doing drugs. All of them waste it, are distractions from productive things you could do. And the people do them always cope about, no actually it's not bad that I do this.
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literally any hobby is a waste of your life. they are distractions from productive things you could do.
 
Autistic Gunspergings said:
literally any hobby is a waste of your life. they are distractions from productive things you could do.
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Some hobbies you learn a skill, some hobbies you make things. Some hobbies get you outside your house, and maybe even get exercise doing them, or get food for your family doing them.

This is the kind of cope I'm talking about. It's sad people think this is normal now. Not that long ago, if you wasted your life for hours playing video games you were a freak, or a nerd. Now its acceptable for grown men to spend their time, and mental energy on them. Not learn anything else productive, not try to move forward with their life outside of work, if they do have a job.

When I said that they always cope. I remember like 10 years ago maybe. When Joe Rogan talked about how he used to game a lot, and realized, basically what I'm saying now. How mad all the fucking gamers were, that he basically said they're a waste of time. Gave so many copes, brought up professional e-sports, and all this retarded shit. But he was right.

Actually. thinking about it for a second. I don't even think gaming should be considered a hobby. I think it should be considered a vice. Like the other things I compared it to.
 
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prollyanotherlurker said:
I don't even think gaming should be considered a hobby. I think it should be considered a vice
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So would you consider puzzle games, like a Zachtronics game for example, to be a vice? Theres a lot of value in keeping your brain sharp, especially as you get older.
how about simulators, like DCS, or Assetto Corsa? are those vices? even if they're "realistic", they're still games, and they're a fun way to learn skills like flying or racing, albeit niche.
If a game can get you working together and chatting with friends, like playing an ArmA 3 Operation, is there no value in that?
If a game can get you legitimately thinking about the world around you, the same way a well written book or movie might, is it still a vice?

I think theres an argument to be made that theres a lot of mindless slop out there made for people interested in low-quality pleasures, thats part of why I frankly dont game much anymore, but I think its a bit reactionary to say all of this is like that. or perhaps I misunderstand what you're getting at here.
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Since people are bringing up GOG, I want to (once again) remind people that Heroic Launcher exists and allows you to download and install your GOG library as easily as your Steam library.
Even if you're not on Linux, I recommend using it on Windows since CDPR are a bunch of niggers who've abandoned GOG Galaxy.
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Im pretty sure GOG can be run off lutris as well, but I've mostly stuck to steam so far.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
Some hobbies you learn a skill, some hobbies you make things. Some hobbies get you outside your house, and maybe even get exercise doing them, or get food for your family doing them.

This is the kind of cope I'm talking about. It's sad people think this is normal now. Not that long ago, if you wasted your life for hours playing video games you were a freak, or a nerd. Now its acceptable for grown men to spend their time, and mental energy on them. Not learn anything else productive, not try to move forward with their life outside of work, if they do have a job.
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prollyanotherlurker said:
Not that long ago, if you wasted your life for hours playing video games you were a freak, or a nerd. Now its acceptable for grown men to spend their time, and mental energy on them. Not learn anything else productive, not try to move forward with their life outside of work, if they do have a job.
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It's not "acceptable" though in the wider world, if you talk to real people about this, they will still think you're a freak or nerd. Maybe you perceive it to be this way because you can instantly put yourself in a group of people who all love wasting their time on things. I could argue that's the same with any hobby or skill, though, it can be totally useless outside of its subject area. Fishing? What if you're in the desert? Business macroeconomics? What if you're a Gym Teacher?

Video games are for sure at the bottom of that standard of a "hobby" or "skill", but without being addicted, I don't see a problem with it, although personally I get bored of games after an hour a day, feels like I'm not really doing anything unless it's with friends.
 
Autistic Gunspergings said:
So would you consider puzzle games, like a Zachtronics game for example, to be a vice? Theres a lot of value in keeping your brain sharp, especially as you get older.
how about simulators, like DCS, or Assetto Corsa? are those vices? even if they're "realistic", they're still games, and they're a fun way to learn skills like flying or racing, albeit niche.
If a game can get you working together and chatting with friends, like playing an ArmA 3 Operation, is there no value in that?
If a game can get you legitimately thinking about the world around you, the same way a well written book or movie might, is it still a vice?

I think theres an argument to be made that theres a lot of mindless slop out there made for people interested in low-quality pleasures, thats part of why I frankly dont game much anymore, but I think its a bit reactionary to say all of this is like that. or perhaps I misunderstand what you're getting at here.

Im pretty sure GOG can be run off lutris as well, but I've mostly stuck to steam so far.
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If the gaming ecosystem wasn't like it is, Maybe my opinion would be different.

What I see. With gaming, and just like anything. this isn't everyone that plays a video game. Just like someone can jack off to a porn video and not waste their life. But I do see people more and more seemingly, that I would definitely say are addicts. They behave like addicts, they are getting the same things addicts do, from other addictive behaviors.

If you can't look at the replies that's gotten, and see why I think it's sad. That people don't see there is a lot more to the world. There is so much potential I feel like people waste in the modern world, and gaming is just one thing I see, among many that lead to the same thing. But people seem to pretend it's somehow not.

That's another thing that really bothers me about it. There are actual things, you can do. Learning a real skill, learning to make something, do something. In the real world. Something that can be left behind where you're gone. Not a game that you don't even actually own, that's going to be useless probably even before your're dead, when the company stops supporting it.Things that can actually contribute to changing your life, making it better. Or making other people's lives better.

Life is short, a lot shorter than most people like to think about. And I know I've had plenty of people talk to me about things they've always wanted to do. And a lot of them, I never see actually put any action behind it. The complacency, I feel like is the most insidious thing about it. And what I was talking about when I said it's the current opiate for the masses.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
What I see. With gaming, and just like anything. this isn't everyone that plays a video game.
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And you can learn actual skills and do "actual things" in video games. Not all of them. I agree that Gaming, as it was originally formulated, is a fundamental vice. But not all video games are Gaming. Gaming is gambling, and you should absolutely kick the shit out of anyone who plays or even likes any incarnation of video game gambling, gachaslop and lootboxes included. They're addicts and they are consumed by vice. But outside that, condemning all of video games as immoral and a waste of time is the exact same as condemning all movies, books, radio and entertainment as a whole while taking slow sips out of a fresh bottle of Soylent™.

Video games can be enriching. Video games can be a way to socialize, to play together with friends. Video games can teach you something new and even new skills. Video games are another narrative medium through which stories can be told, just like in plays, books, radio and drama. Video games can make you see things in entirely different ways. Video games can change your life, and not for the worse. And, most importantly, video games are entertainment, with every connotation associated. "Wasting time" is the lowest common denominator, and if you're playing them solely for that, you're clearly doing something wrong.

Through nandgame you can interactively build yourself a computer. Is it a game? It sure uses game-narrative language to guide the player along. I can think of no better, no more interactive way to visualize actual orbital dynamics than the Principia mod for the game Kerbal Space Program, an experience which would be otherwise locked away behind a 3-year Astronomy course, a MATLAB script and a particularly vivid imagination. Through Hearts of Iron and its many map-painter games you can bring your childhood toy army fantasies to life along with an injection of history, and through LISA: The Painful you can experience a post-apocalyptic world gone mad without any women. The Farms have their own pet games in the forms of a tribute to Terry, the DOOM mapping project, or Fursan Al-Aqsa, all of which hold dear cultural value. If you can't find a game that's better than just a waste of time, or find any value in any video games, that's an indiction of your own character, not of gaming as a whole, and you may as well be denouncing all of entertainment as worthless as you pad your resume with more skills like a soulless goyroach.

But if you're shitting specifically on GaaS, League, CS:GOyslop and Gachashit, then yeah go ahead King. Those have negative cultural value.

tl;dr: Because it's so much fun, Jan! :biggrin:



I'm now going to complain about the cursed mire that is Steam and WINE emulation through it. These are the things that you have to find out by yourself, since nowhere in Steam or elsewhere are you going to find them explicitly listed:
1. Steam explicitly sandboxes every single game made compatible through Steam Play. It effectively isolates everything into its own WINE prefix, meaning you have to use some bizarre injection workarounds to, say, run another WINE application in the same prefix.
2. That also applies to save and configuration files, which get shuttled into their own sandboxed game-ID addressed folder: Instead of a nice, short and understandable AppData path on Windows:
Code: 
C:\Users\[USER]\AppData\LocalLow\[THE GAME]
The Linux WINE-emulated equivalent is:
Code: 
/home/[USER]/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/[GAME ID]/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/[THE GAME]
Steam exposes no option to directly access the save path, as far as I'm aware, only the game path itself, so finding your save files for, say, a local backup will necessarily have you looking up the Steam game ID (if it even has one, in the case of a non-Steam game) and backtracking through a tangle of directories.
3. Proton does not include many of the codecs that come default with Windows. These codecs are proprietary and Proton cannot include them by default because of legal reasons. You aren't told this, and neither does any game using these codecs ever mention it. You won't find out until in-game cinematics are replaced with a placeholder rendering test and you've effectively bought a defective product. You have to use a custom version of Proton such as Proton-GE that adds those codecs. WINE-GE is a non-Steam equivalent, where Proton is essentially just WINE except compiled specifically to play nice with Steam. Steam itself doesn't make the process of actually using custom-compiled libraries like Proton-GE any easier, either.
4. It gets more complicated. There is a project, the UMU launcher, which should be able to launch Steam games without Steam as a dependency. Using Proton libraries. In addition to all the other ways of launching games outside of Steam via WINE, Lutris, etc. It's another example of "too much of a good thing" with Linux, where adding more and more choices doesn't inherently make for a good user experience.
 
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