The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Retarded Weeb]

I just don't understand people trying to force SteamOS to run on anything outside a HTPC or handheld. Just run literally any other distro like fedora kde or kubuntu and download steam and boom, you have the desktop version of SteamOS. The only thing i can give SteamOS is being user friendly* with a immutable filesystem.

*Only if you dont care about native packages and can run flatpaks for everything.

People are scared to choose a distro because they might chose wrong, so they want a company name they're familiar with like Valve to make one. It's the brand name that makes them trust trying it out, not any real thought about features.

 

[Betonhaus]

This may shock you, but most human beings don't want to fuck around with their computers beyond doing what they are using the computer to accomplish.

So why are they putting SteamOS on a computer that doesn't support it?
That's literally more fucking around then just using the Linux mint guided installer then downloading the steam .deb installer package from their website.

 

[Baraka Obama]

So why are they putting SteamOS on a computer that doesn't support it?
That's literally more fucking around then just using the Linux mint guided installer then downloading the steam .deb installer package from their website.

Bazzite makes it dead simple.

I said this in the steam deck thread but I tried running original 2006 Oblivion in Fedora and couldn't get the game to launch. Some weird env issue involving Wine's fake registry I couldn't get to the bottom of. Worked out of box on steam deck and in bazzite.

If someone was taking the approach of a gaming PC being for gaming and do everything else on a laptop I can see it being compelling.

 

[Slav Power]

People are scared to choose a distro because they might chose wrong, so they want a company name they're familiar with like Valve to make one. It's the brand name that makes them trust trying it out, not any real thought about features.

I think it's also the whole "VALVE IS MAKING LINUX GAMING VIABLE" hype train that everyone proliferates. The only reason Valve put in the legwork into Proton is because they don't want to be dependent on Microsoft for their business model, which now also involves selling handheld PC's. But the Linux community has overblown it to such proportions that they make it seem to the average user that Valve is literally making Linux "just work" like Windows. Except Adobe and MS Office still won't work, which a lot of normies that game also use, not to mention the entire Mt. Everest worth of differences between Windows and Linux that will make you despise Linux if you're not aware of what it is, how it differs from Windows and what sacrifices you'd need to make to make the switch.

So people are constantly hyped up for SteamOS because they believe it'll replace Windows, without any understanding of what Linux is and no willingness to learn the basics of it, so when it does happen they will get a major reality check. So do expect a ton of idiots asking for tech support that would require rudimentary understanding of Linux when standalone SteamOS actually happens. That'll be the price to pay for abusing SteamOS being a thing and Windows 11 being so shit to try and get people move to Linux.

 

[The Big Bad D]

Still don't know how to install from https://archlinux.org/packages/?name=profile-sync-daemon.

(OS experience is mostly limited to DOS and Win-Mac so used to installing things the DOS way or the install.exe way)

Just tell someone he's retarded for not knowing how to install it. Enjoy the free tech support.

For real though, I have no idea what the fuck kind of distro you are running.
If it's Arch based, it's literally just:
sudo pacman -S profile-sync-daemon
systemctl --user enable --now psd.service

 

[Baguette Child]

I know Steam OS is hyped up more than it should be but thanks to exposure via Steam Deck my nephew has started asking me to teach him more about Linux and even wanted me to give advice for building a proper desktop under a better distro.


I will begrudgingly but earnestly thank Valve for this. There was something uniquely joyful about the experience of getting to pass these things on to a younger generation and it may not have happened if his vidya games hadn't drawn him in.

 

[Mister Fister]

Of course Valve is making their own Linux version, they have a critical vulnerability to being dependent on Jeetsoft for now.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I know Steam OS is hyped up more than it should be but thanks to exposure via Steam Deck my nephew has started asking me to teach him more about Linux and even wanted me to give advice for building a proper desktop under a better distro.


I will begrudgingly but earnestly thank Valve for this. There was something uniquely joyful about the experience of getting to pass these things on to a younger generation and it may not have happened if his vidya games hadn't drawn him in.

It hasn't been Linux people hyping it. Everything I see from Linux people, is saying the opposite.

It's niggers like Linus tech tips. Who literally say it's some magic operating system that magically turns Linux into something else.

This is exactly the thing that is causing it.

 

[Miller]

It's niggers like Linus tech tips. Who literally say it's some magic operating system that magically turns Linux into something else.

Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.

 

[Baguette Child]

Linus tech tips

Just seeing this faggot's face on thumbnails in my recommendeds makes me feel gross. I wish he'd go away.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.

If he wasn't one of the people pushing the steamos makes Linux work narrative. I would say yes.

It's been a while since I've seen this. But I want to say, it isn't just him saying it makes games work. But he's acting like it makes it easier to just install it. When Linux mint to almost any distro is just as easy for most things.

he's going through the extra hoops to install this operating system. And it will probably actually work worse than a normal distro if you are trying to install it on a desktop.

It's the retardation of everything he does, that I don't like. Not even just his Linux videos. Literally as soon as anything involves software. No matter what operating system. He has no clue. Doesn't matter if it's windows, Mac, or Linux. And this guy runs a tech YouTube channel empire.

 

[Vesperus]

I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.

 

[Betonhaus]

I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.

Linux Mint is maintaining a debian edition just in case, I don't know what they would need to make it feature complete - at least a Nvidia driver manager and a newer kernel

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.

I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.

 

[Dread First]

I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.

Rust is technically in the kernel, but it's effectively a second class citizen (thank God). In short: the overwhelming majority of committers on the kernel team have a strong background in C/C++, have built up tons of debug infrastructure and tooling specifically to accommodate kernel debugging and development over the decades, and they're generally an older crowd who can't understand why the self-professed Rustaceans with programming socks and pronouns in their bio are so obsessed with a meme language that's trying to reinvent the wheel with arbitrary code rewrites instead of making worthwhile pull requests that would eventually get integrated. I'm not necessarily against including Rust, let alone any other nascent language like Go, Elixir, or Zig into the kernel. What I'm personally opposed to is the COC, social media brigade, cancel culture clash that Rust's biggest enthusiasts are bringing into the kernel, a highly meritocratic and honestly ruthless environment to be in. Hector Martin specifically had to be told by Linus Torvalds that his deplorable behaviour on the mailing lists was the problem and not the fact that other developers rightly criticised his contributions to the kernel, yet he still maintains he didn't do anything wrong and that it's the kernel team who were at fault. Literally every fucking Rust developer on the kernel mailing lists is just as histrionic as Hector was. Why? Because despite memory safety guarantees, Rust's borrow checker, compiler, whatever it is, that shit won't prevent normal human stupidity from getting in the way, and just generally finding ways to build around the nanny compiler. I'm saying all of this as someone whose biggest code contribution was "Hello World" in C and Java once upon a time. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass, but my lying eyes are convincing me to believe what I'm seeing.

 

[Vesperus]

I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.

As far as I know, only in the form of driver modules.
(Building drivers into the kernel is a different foaming rant, but at least it's not structural)

 

[Akerman]

What ever became of this custom kernel project? Wiki says the website was restored in 2019, but it's down again now. Github is archived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longene

Longene is a Linux-based operating system kernel intended to be binary compatible with application software and device drivers made for Microsoft Windows and Linux. Longene aims to add all Windows kernel mechanisms, including system calls, Windows Registry, Windows Driver Model, Deferred Procedure Call, and others, into the Linux kernel to form a new kernel.

 

[The Saltening]

Of course Valve is making their own Linux version, they have a critical vulnerability to being dependent on Jeetsoft for now.

steamOS wont be the end all be all for linux gaming but they seem to be pushing the entire thing forward. Having a force at all pushing linux to compete on normal features with other systems is nice. My transition has been pretty good despite the issues with early adoption of specific features.

Valve is working to be not be reliant on microsoft and as a result everyone benefits.

I forget where I was going with this

 

[El Goblina]

Rust is technically in the kernel, but it's effectively a second class citizen (thank God).

[late react goes here]

https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-kernel-6-15/ -- 6.15 has landed NOVA, which is Red Hat's new 100% Rust nVidia driver.

More and more old kernel stuff is going to get the Rust up.

 

[Mister Fister]

steamOS wont be the end all be all for linux gaming but they seem to be pushing the entire thing forward. Having a force at all pushing linux to compete on normal features with other systems is nice. My transition has been pretty good despite the issues with early adoption of specific features.

Valve is working to be not be reliant on microsoft and as a result everyone benefits.

I forget where I was going with this

Steam is a private company so it is about the only gaming company that isn't retarded.