The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[snotang]

Weird. My Android phone is rooted, I have AdAway applying hosts lists system-wide thanks to root access, if I wanted to I could flash a custom ROM on it, but instead I riced it out with apps that utilize root access to modify the system UI. I also do various hacks and tricks in Windows as it isn't a locked down black box and it still gives me a fair bit of freedom to dick around with the OS.

Why is it that you assume Android/Windows users can't do anything with their operating systems after rightly stating that generalizing a group won't make your generalization hold truth? Perhaps you should start holding others to the same standard that you hold yourself to.

Congratulations, you own one of the 5% of phones sold with Android that permit you to do the things you do. You are smart enough to root your phone but somehow not smart enough to understand what "usually" means, or why a set of phones might not be typically described as a "population".

I have never claimed that Android/Windows users "can't do anything with their operating systems", unless you are butchering the English language to instead mean that I have claimed that "there exists something that Android/Windows users can't do with their operating systems", which is trivially true. In fact, in the post you quote, I haven't stated a single thing that Windows users can't do, and one thing that they can (installing an adblocker).

You seem to misunderstand my speaking about what is technically and lawfully possible with a device or software as some sort of commentary on their users. All the technical skill in the world will not prevent a lawsuit, nor will it allow you to divine source code or signing keys from thin air. I have neither said nor implied "you can't do this because you're stupid because you use Windows", only "you can't do this on Windows".

If I wanted to speak about the nature, attitude, and abilities of the population of Android and Windows users, my posts would be far longer, and I'm already excessively verbose as it is.



On an unrelated note, why is it that when "customization" or "configuration" is brought up in a computing context, it is almost exclusively referring to altering the user interface? Have I just been diving "under the hood" so long that I've become out of touch? Is replacing entire components of the software stack that have nothing to do with the user interface not "customization", or is it just far less common? The single most common configuration I do is trying to get a program to proxy its network traffic (and in some cases stop sending network traffic altogether). My second most common configuration is ensuring that every program gets built with maximum debugging information, and it isn't stripped (by the time you know you need it, it's usually too late).

What non-UI customization / configuration do you do?

 

[Sake Ojone]

In case you still aren't clear. I will summarize. No I don't personally care if anyone moves to Linux. I'm willing to help people that want to. And how I feel about it, isn't speaking for anyone else, but myself, and definitely isn't the opinion of whatever Linux community you are talking about.

There are linux users who want as many people as possible to use linux as they want software support from companies that don't currently target it, such as the adobe suite or multiplayer games, and there are linux users who don't want to become tech support for tech illiterate people that don't read documentation and aren't interested in contributing to linux in any way.
Linux is fragmented in its audio stack, display server, init system, and also, naturally, in its community, which is not a single block and does not have common goals

 

[Fcret]

The software that you use is not the software that millions of other people use. Try learning how to look at something from someone else's perspective. Sometimes this "poorly-written garbage" has to be used by someone, it only exists on Windows and there is no magic FOSS alternative.

I'm not interested in the windows normienigger "just shotgun a billion blackboxes into my ring 0 fam" perspective. If someone wants to be gangraped by coercive software vendors, there are operating systems they can do that under. I'm steadfastly opposed to changing linux to make getting gangraped easier.

It sounds like you should just stick to using Windows tbqhwy

 

[Akerman]

Do you care if people use Linux or not?

I sympathize with you trying to get shit to work on Linux and then a bunch of retards attack you for not "using it correctly", sorry about that. The channel Bread on Penguins that I showed earlier is a rare Linux user with social skills, and I highly recommend watching those vids if you don't want to deal with this shit. -- I personally also don't think people should care so much about what someone else uses, though. Ken Thompson who literally designed UNIX actually switched from Apple after decades of using it to a fucking Raspberry Pie running a Debian fork. That sounds retarded to me, but it clearly works for him so who am I to really judge? -- I say use whatever makes you feel the most comfortable using your computer. There is only one objectively holy OS anyways, and that is TempleOS. I am not worthy enough to use that. Lord, save me, I am niggercattle.


In completely unrelated news, according to Phoronix, Steam usage on Linux reached a recent high of 2.69% in May. Arch Linux now makes up 10% of those Linux users. THE YEAR OF LORNIX IS HERE!!!!1 (it is not) I fully expect a Jeetahar video on this shortly. "Michaelsoft is TREMBLING, guys n gals". - In all seriousness, I am actually shocked at how CachyOS have made such strides among Linux users on Steam. Anyone here actually use it?

 

[Anti Snigger]

I set up a home server Sunday for VCS, custom packages, backups, etc., etc.

I'm having a hell of a fucking time getting the damn thing to reliably be able to connect to my desktop or laptop over LAN.
I've narrowed the problem down to my router's handling of ARP. Restarting the router completely fixes the problem for a period of several hours, and then randomly everything drops, and nmap on any of my three devices only shows the router itself, nothing can ping itself, etc.
I'm wondering if there's anything I can do on my server to force the ARP table to be refreshed on the router reliably, ideally something I can run as a task every few hours or in response to failures.
I've seen a lot of stuff online about OpenWRT, but because I'm a cheap nigger, I'm presently leasing this router, and I'm unwilling to use OSS firmware until I can look into it more, I also have shit like TVs and other normie tier garbage I use and I don't want the hassle of debugging every single one of them.

I've tested having the server on ethernet, and the problem doesn't seem to be affected by it. Any insights are appreciated. I'm having fun when it's working, but having my network crap out at random isn't my favorite.

 

[DavidS877]

I've narrowed the problem down to my router's handling of ARP. Restarting the router completely fixes the problem for a period of several hours, and then randomly everything drops, and nmap on any of my three devices only shows the router itself, nothing can ping itself, etc.

The thing is that the router shouldn't be doing ARP for other devices, they should respond on their own. You shouldn't even need a router. Are you going by name or IP address or tried both.
It sounds almost like some security setting on the router where it's setup not to let devices talk to each other. Sometimes names like "Network segmentation" or "Isolation" Have you tried with multiple devices on Ethernet seeing if they can communicate with each other consistently.

 

[Anti Snigger]

The thing is that the router shouldn't be doing ARP for other devices, they should respond on their own. You shouldn't even need a router. Are you going by name or IP address or tried both.
It sounds almost like some security setting on the router where it's setup not to let devices talk to each other. Sometimes names like "Network segmentation" or "Isolation" Have you tried with multiple devices on Ethernet seeing if they can communicate with each other consistently.

I've been mainly using direct IP, but I recently set up a .local declaration on the server.
I checked the router settings as far as client isolation, guest networks to make sure those aren't enabled, I can't find shit. Through this I did find that netgear is less than well regarded as far as how bad their settings are.
As far as ethernet, I don't have a switch, in fact I only have the one cable, and I'd prefer if possible just to be able to use my local network as a local network.
The bizarre thing to me is that my roku TV never has issues pairing with any of my devices, and as far as I can tell, it's W/LAN as well.

 

[DavidS877]

I've been mainly using direct IP, but I recently set up a .local declaration on the server.
I checked the router settings as far as client isolation, guest networks to make sure those aren't enabled, I can't find shit. Through this I did find that netgear is less than well regarded as far as how bad their settings are.
As far as ethernet, I don't have a switch, in fact I only have the one cable, and I'd prefer if possible just to be able to use my local network as a local network.
The bizarre thing to me is that my roku TV never has issues pairing with any of my devices, and as far as I can tell, it's W/LAN as well.

I recommend checking Ethernet not because you want to use it but to try and nail down where the problem is. Can the desktop and laptop reach each other directly when the router goes away? Can some or all of the devices ping by IP the other devices on the network like the Roku or anything else both when things are working and when they aren't. If you want to get into fancier stuff look up "Wireshark" but that's getting advanced and seeing if node A sends an arp request does node B see it and respond, etc.

Obviously these aren't specific recommendations but if you can figure out what's going wrong, and it could just be a shitty router, but hopefully others have had a similar issue.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I set up a home server Sunday for VCS, custom packages, backups, etc., etc.

I'm having a hell of a fucking time getting the damn thing to reliably be able to connect to my desktop or laptop over LAN.
I've narrowed the problem down to my router's handling of ARP. Restarting the router completely fixes the problem for a period of several hours, and then randomly everything drops, and nmap on any of my three devices only shows the router itself, nothing can ping itself, etc.
I'm wondering if there's anything I can do on my server to force the ARP table to be refreshed on the router reliably, ideally something I can run as a task every few hours or in response to failures.
I've seen a lot of stuff online about OpenWRT, but because I'm a cheap nigger, I'm presently leasing this router, and I'm unwilling to use OSS firmware until I can look into it more, I also have shit like TVs and other normie tier garbage I use and I don't want the hassle of debugging every single one of them.

I've tested having the server on ethernet, and the problem doesn't seem to be affected by it. Any insights are appreciated. I'm having fun when it's working, but having my network crap out at random isn't my favorite.

these kinds of things, are why I hate networking stuff. Not linux specific or anything. Just dealing with network stuff is always a huge pita, once you try going a bit deeper. and I always dread it.

 

[Anti Snigger]

I recommend checking Ethernet not because you want to use it but to try and nail down where the problem is. Can the desktop and laptop reach each other directly when the router goes away? Can some or all of the devices ping by IP the other devices on the network like the Roku or anything else both when things are working and when they aren't. If you want to get into fancier stuff look up "Wireshark" but that's getting advanced and seeing if node A sends an arp request does node B see it and respond, etc.

Obviously these aren't specific recommendations but if you can figure out what's going wrong, and it could just be a shitty router, but hopefully others have had a similar issue.

No, so the devices are showing signs of being totally isolated, as I mentioned, nmap is showing only the router for each. I'm going to debug it further, and do what I need to, but for me, having to monkeypatch around the problem

these kinds of things, are why I hate networking stuff. Not linux specific or anything. Just dealing with network stuff is always a huge pita, once you try going a bit deeper. and I always dread it.

I can spend $3200 on a nice ass setup only to be foiled by a fucking $50 router. It's funny in a way

 

[Rust Troony]

CachyOS have made such strides among Linux users on Steam. Anyone here actually use it?

Its marketed as a "gaming distro" and is full of placebo performance improvements, so people use it to game.

I think its also a distro with a "handheld edition" (SteamOS knockoff) so that might also be why.

 

[Slav Power]

I'm not interested in the windows normienigger "just shotgun a billion blackboxes into my ring 0 fam" perspective. If someone wants to be gangraped by coercive software vendors, there are operating systems they can do that under. I'm steadfastly opposed to changing linux to make getting gangraped easier.

It sounds like you should just stick to using Windows tbqhwy

Ah, so you're just a ragebaiting /g/tard then, okay. Hope the hat sticker and the reply notification have satisfied your dopamine needs for today.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Installed profile-sync-daemon to try to get Firefox to stop writing 20+ MB every so often when I'm online, and it's still doing that crap. Maybe writing to "virtual memory"?

edit: Or maybe it's YouTube?

 

[Ahriman]

 

[Slav Power]

Mental Outlaw really should just drop Linux and focus exclusively on his chicken farm. Ever since I saw him shill for OpenWRT I can't take this grifter schmuck seriously. Confidently presenting it like the bee's knees, actively struggling with the installation, clearly showing that his first contact with OpenWRT was when he was recording that video, and after he got it installed he called it quits there, he didn't even show how to change the admin password or do a basic setup. If he actually practiced what he preached then I'd expect him to have more on-hands experience with OpenWRT as he would most definitely be running his home network on it, so he wouldn't struggle on basics and show some basic setup and what it can actually do.

At least I know that it takes very little to do a grift like this on YouTube and have people praise you like you're a messiah. All you have to do is go on /g/, look at threads with article/Xitter screencaps to build your opinion on the current thing, then make a video regurgitating all of it with confidence, acting like you totally know what you're talking about, and get easy AdSense money from all the views that treat you as a confirmation bias. Him repeating some headlines about Linux gaming performance while he barely browses the web, let alone plays any vidya on his computer is hilarious. He's like an ever-so-slightly better skilled and informed Jason Hall.

I have more respect for Luke Smith since he was able to go offline and evolve his content. Mental Outlaw is just a terminally online broken record.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The cardinal sin of analyzing populations is assuming that just because you refer to them uniformly (e.g. "the Linux community") they are therefore uniform. It is perfectly coherent for different people that happen to use Linux to have different opinions on the direction it and its associated communities should take.

I get that.

What I assume is going on is you have people who put a lot of time and effort into making people want to use Linux, but every time they achieve a major success, the angry, insular people who want Linux to be an exclusive club crawl from the baseboards and start attacking people.

It's the same with the flip flopping on if distro or de matters or not.

I also see this as the problem with assimilation. Some don't want to learn. Fuck them. Some people want to learn, but have a few noob questions, and most of the google results will be out of date or unreliable but will sometimes get hostile responces for asking.

I also assume this is the same with gaming. Though to be clear, I mostly see this on the SBC side of things. It's a weird contraction where I can see a video about attaching a 4080 to a raspberry pi, followed by posts angry that people are using a computer for gaming, and that it's a waste.

 

[Slav Power]

it's a waste

The real waste is buying Raspberry Pi in 2025. Underpowered and overpriced. For SBC project computers you have much better and more affordable Chinese clones, and for emulation boxes, self-hosting machines and other applications like that you have used business minicomputers like Dell OptiPlex Micro or Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny.

Though the "you can but you shouldn't" projects like hooking up a 4080 to a Pi are fun and no one does them to actually use them. At least I hope they don't.

 

[Halbschwanz]

All I know is that I installed Linux Mint on a 6 year old laptop and it immediately stopped having issues overheating. I haven't messed around with Wine or the like overly much since I've mostly been using it for web browsing and running stuff in VLC, but if it means Windows Store doesn't randomly lag my machine out for 2-3 minutes at a time I might consider putting a Linux distro on my desktop.

 

[Akerman]

A recent update for the .deb package of Steam on Debian Bookworm started a weird habit of running dozens of apt-cache policies and dpkg helpers every startup leading to 30+ second startups for some reason. apt-cache sequentially read and decompressed 50 - 100 MB or so of metadata in /var/lib/apt/lists/ meaning apt-cache had to open every Packages/Sources file every startup of Steam for every enabled repository and architecture, mmap or gunzip it, then scan. I noticed this behavior in the debug .log Apparently, this is something that Debian used to do by default for Steam for some Debian reason, but it should not be done any more after a recentish update a few months ago. Maybe a regression.

I fixed it by just forcing a full upgrade of Steam via sudo apt full-upgrade steam. If someone has the same issue, then this is how to solve it. I thought maybe it would be useful to post here since it was recent, and this thread has a lot of gamers.

 

[teriyakiburns]

edit: Or maybe it's YouTube?

Of course it's fucking youtube. Google deliberately break yt on firefox whenever they can. Did you mention YT specifically before? Firefox on wife's computer keeps throwing up an error about low disk space because youtube is constantly writing gigabytes to the profile whenever it's open. I don't know why I didn't make the connection.