the merits of throwing quarters at the monkey to make him dance

[Adamska]

If you ask me, the money to entertainment value in donating to DSP is so infinitesimal, you might as well hunk pennies at Yaniv's mobility scooter to see if they catch on the machine.

Especially since all you need to do to get Pig to chimp is insult Pig or his mentally challenged audience at the right time or with the right wording or topic to do the same thing for free.

 

[JackDavis]

As @actually ’s tallies often show, troll tipping makes up about 5-7% of his monthly income. It’s negligible but still sizeable

Imagine if your boss took away 5-7% of your paycheck and how pissed you'd be. Now multiply that by 10 because you're Phil.

I think the reason troll tipping is so popular is because people are attention whores. They want to see their message pop up on screen and go "HAHA THATS ME! I DID THAT!" It's really low functioning and egotistical. The same people who will give Phil (or any other streamer) $50 to play video games would probably loan their best friend $5 and ask for it back the next day.

 

[MoonRocker]

Imagine if your boss took away 5-7% of your paycheck and how pissed you'd be. Now multiply that by 10 because you're Phil.

I think the reason troll tipping is so popular is because people are attention whores. They want to see their message pop up on screen and go "HAHA THATS ME! I DID THAT!" It's really low functioning and egotistical. The same people who will give Phil (or any other streamer) $50 to play video games would probably loan their best friend $5 and ask for it back the next day.

That’s 100% what it is. There’s always a chance your troll tip will be displayed on the Farms or be featured in a detractor video.

For some people, it’s worth the money, even though it’s completely counterproductive to what they’re hoping for in regards to what should happen to DSP.

 

[DarkSoulsPhil]

So basically people have to give him $1 in bits and think up their quip live to be able to leave Youtube comments on his gameplay videos. Huh, I hadn't thought about that as a motivation for 'Troll Tipping' before. I still can't see how that's worth giving him $1 to leave a snarky comment for his handful of Youtube viewers to see as well. Have you talked to people before who have mentioned fucking with his Youtube videos as a motivation for this?

I was in Tevin's discord a while ago where the discussion came up. There were jokes about prime time to troll cheer/tip being about 5 mins after the start of a brand new playthrough because:
1. His first vid on a playthrough normally has the most views
2. 5 mins after the start is just enough time where hes gone through some menus and hes too lazy to start over (also would tell the crowd that its effective if he did do that)
3. Bits he receives in 2 months and costs less, so its having less of an impact on his 'TIP ME' financial problems

Nah, that's just self-delusion coming from literal exceptional individuals who were once and still are fans of Pig's completely garbage production. They're fans in denial and this is just bullshit they spout to lie to themselves on why they still watch Pig, for all that they "hate" him. Doubly so since most of them only became a part of the hatebase because Pig's natural antisocial behavior directly affected them in some way or another.

Again, never was a fan of his, haven't given him any money (or bits) and never will. I was explaining the most efficient method of fucking with him. Most of the trolls who throw shekels at the pig (when talked to) do it for a laugh and won't be talked out of it (I tried initially).

Trolling is a art after all

 

[Wing Zero]

Again, never was a fan of his, haven't given him any money (or bits) and never will. I was explaining the most efficient method of fucking with him. Most of the trolls who throw shekels at the pig (when talked to) do it for a laugh and won't be talked out of it (I tried initially).

Trolling is a art after all

They need a new hobby then cause their art is shit. If people want to be efficient in fucking with Phil then stop giving him money, period. The less he gets from trolls, the more pressure he puts on his fanboys to make up the difference, which means he'll eventually piss off more and more of them as they wake up and realize that Phil is a black hole that will never be satisfied.

 

[actually]

3. Bits he receives in 2 months and costs less, so its having less of an impact on his 'TIP ME' financial problems

Just as an FYI, this is not really true any more. He gets all bits and sub money the month immediately following now. At most, he has to wait 6 weeks if you cheered on the 1st of a month.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

Crazy idea. Just bait him without giving money?

 

[Wurstbrot]

I was in Tevin's discord a while ago where the discussion came up. There were jokes about prime time to troll cheer/tip being about 5 mins after the start of a brand new playthrough because:
1. His first vid on a playthrough normally has the most views
2. 5 mins after the start is just enough time where hes gone through some menus and hes too lazy to start over (also would tell the crowd that its effective if he did do that)
3. Bits he receives in 2 months and costs less, so its having less of an impact on his 'TIP ME' financial problems

Exceptional if this isn't just a joke. I understand it feels great to have this temporary attention and trigger The Pig for a split-second. Yes it was "you", troll-tipper, wauw, you really gave it to Phil when he won't adress the message of your troll-tip (aka totally "owns the memes"), bans your butt or rightfully writes your name as the top contributor (or just does not). He will never recover from your money-injection, while proving Phil somewhat right about the maturity of his trolls. Thanks for the money, dummy.

Those cash throwers don't seem to understand that they're not the attraction, they're not adding anything to the show, they're not really providing anything of interest except in the most rare case. The show is dedicated to Phil "Fraudulent Beggar" Burnell, not those guys. Nobody cares about them! Great, now I sound like DSP, not my fault.

The bear dances when he struggles.
The bear roars when he hears words he dislikes.
The bear flipflops under pressure.
And the bear gets boring when he eats his honey.

Everyone wants to laugh at the absurdest shit Phil does, but somehow sabotaging the circus seems way funnier for "the single person" in the audience. The rest of the audience fails to laugh.

 

[hauser]

I was in Tevin's discord a while ago where the discussion came up. There were jokes about prime time to troll cheer/tip being about 5 mins after the start of a brand new playthrough because:
1. His first vid on a playthrough normally has the most views
2. 5 mins after the start is just enough time where hes gone through some menus and hes too lazy to start over (also would tell the crowd that its effective if he did do that)
3. Bits he receives in 2 months and costs less, so its having less of an impact on his 'TIP ME' financial problems

as @Wurstbrot correctly pointed out, fucking exceptional if that is true.

the idea of giving phil money is unfathomable to me. even if troll trips were funny (they are not, nobody cares about them except for a minuscule amount of times they're featured in some of outsyder's TIHYDPs), why would I financially support anybody who is: fat, deceitful, cowardly, insulting to everyone, narcissistic, ungraceful, ungrateful, primitive, stupid, smelly, greasy, and so on? even if it's "ironic"? I can understand financial support for a lolcow thats not a fundamentally evil person, but that is absolutely not the case for darksydephil.

 

[Sparkletor]

To play devil's advocate, people can spend their money however they want.

You could buy a hamburger. You could get a cheap DVD. You could tip Phil and say, "Your wife looks like a horse".

You can tell these people they are dumb all day long. You can get a pound of hamburger for the same price and cook it at home. You can watch that movie for free on YouTube. You can insult Phil for free in his chat.

Why do they do it? It's fast, easy, and 30% of the time it works.

It's not smart, but it's easy.

Searching for a specific clip to prove a lie from Phil's hundreds of thousands of videos is hard. Giving Phil $1 to say "your gay" is ea

 

[Adamska]

We may very well be witnessing the progenitorial event that marks the beginning of his even more rapid demise.
First it will be "Troll" tips. Then it will be $1 tips. Then anything under $5 won't count. And so on and so forth.

Which means troll tips will stop. Which means a decent portion of his income dries up.

And because it is Dave and he's NEVER wrong, instead of connecting the dots "no acknowledgement of troll tips" = "less money overall", he'll start ignoring the smaller donations. Eventually most of his income will come from the paypigs, and we know they never stick around for too long. And this task will be too great for even them.

No, the retarded attentionseekers who don't get they're pretty much a part of the Pigcult and thus fans in denial will just continue to fucking justify why they need to give Pig money to do what literally anyone can do for free. Ranging from arguing they don't actually give him money because they put literal work into farming money to do it with on Twitch or trying to deny they aren't just retards who don't get that the attention they get is marginally more than their dissappointed parents and it's all negative.

And the stupidest thing is most of them are ex-fans who are too retarded to understand that they contribute about 10k a year collectively to Pig's 100k+ a year lifestyle. It adds up.

 

[harbinger]

Great, now I sound like DSP, not my fault.

Hey, buddy, it’s alright. There was nothing you could do. You did everything correct, you did nothing wrong.

 

[Autism Spectroscopy]

First time poster, long time orbiter.

I feel like it's finally the time for Paul Dave to get to the true lolcow status meaning that people actually stop troll donating and let this POS suffer on his own. You're forcing the joke and it stops being funny after you realise, that you're keeping him afloat. I'd much rather see the pigroach squeal after 2 days of not getting the rush of the sweaty men pixel mobile "game" than this rather synthetic and in the end profitable way for Mr. I think I'm actually gay. Also, the funniest shit always came from "on the edge" points of the story. This way you'd also make sure that if Nancy fucks up, the wouldn't get away with it.

TL;DR : Stop feeding the pig and more funny shit will start happening.

Edit: emote removal

 

[EmpGulcasa]

First time poster, long time orbiter.

I feel like it's finally the time for Paul Dave to get to the true lolcow status meaning that people actually stop troll donating and let this POS suffer on his own. You're forcing the joke and it stops being funny after you realise, that you're keeping him afloat. I'd much rather see the pigroach squeal after 2 days of not getting the rush of the sweaty men pixel mobile "game" than this rather synthetic and in the end profitable way for Mr. I think I'm actually gay. Also, the funniest shit always came from "on the edge" points of the story. This way you'd also make sure that if Nancy fucks up, the wouldn't get away with it.

TL;DR : Stop feeding the pig and more funny shit will start happening.

Edit: emote removal

You're not gonna convince the few people in here who think they're "trolling" DSP by giving him money attached to mean messages he doesn't acknowledge even if you're 100% correct. They justify it by saying "duh, well someone else would give him the money anyway so it doesn't matter".

 

[Autism Spectroscopy]

You're not gonna convince the few people in here who think they're "trolling" DSP by giving him money attached to mean messages he doesn't acknowledge even if you're 100% correct. They justify it by saying "duh, well someone else would give him the money anyway so it doesn't matter".

Well, there always has to be a group of wheelchairs thinking they can get some autistic pseudo clout out of it, not realising that our boios MightyD, Tevin et al. make it interesting because they actually are funny without giving the PR any credit. Also, for me, it feels detrimental to the sense of justice, some of us are trying to get out of this shit. In the end, it's w/e, just felt like throwing my 2 cents here, a bit of hope has never done any wrong.

 

[DZoomer]

Well, there always has to be a group of wheelchairs thinking they can get some autistic pseudo clout out of it, not realising that our boios MightyD, Tevin et al. make it interesting because they actually are funny without giving the PR any credit. Also, for me, it feels detrimental to the sense of justice, some of us are trying to get out of this shit. In the end, it's w/e, just felt like throwing my 2 cents here, a bit of hope has never done any wrong.

The detractorsphere is an amorphous entity.

There are people who want to keep Phil around as a lolcow. Those people may give him money.

There are others who hate his guts and want to see him suffer. Those people would never give him money.

Some don't have a horse in this race and just find it funny how Phil can be such a pathetic human being. Those may give him money sometimes just to rustle his jimmies.

My point is, you can't coordinate detractors. Just sit back and enjoy the (shit)show.

 

[wahkando]

Well, there always has to be a group of wheelchairs thinking they can get some autistic pseudo clout out of it, not realising that our boios MightyD, Tevin et al. make it interesting because they actually are funny without giving the PR any credit. Also, for me, it feels detrimental to the sense of justice, some of us are trying to get out of this shit. In the end, it's w/e, just felt like throwing my 2 cents here, a bit of hope has never done any wrong.

Troll tipping does not happen in a vacuum. If you post here, watch his highlight videos etc. you are contributing to people tipping.

If DSP and Wings didn't have enormous "detractor" and troll communities, they'd have disappeared already, but watching contributes almost as much as tipping, because the former always results in the latter.

 

[actually]

Troll tipping does not happen in a vacuum. If you post here, watch his highlight videos etc. you are contributing to people tipping.

If DSP and Wings didn't have enormous "detractor" and troll communities, they'd have disappeared already, but watching contributes almost as much as tipping, because the former always results in the latter.

I disagree a bit with this for one main reason. There are people who do $1 troll tips. Those tips are only ever seen by Phil, and there's a good chance he'll either not read them or just give a "thanks for the money, dumbass troll" answer. The tips that are $4.20 or $5 so they come up on screen, or the cheers that are 50 or 100 bits or whatever, sure. But he still gets plenty of trolling that only he will see, so I think he'd still get a lot of trolling, even without the extra audience, just because of his tendency to spazz out and go on rants.

 

[Salubrious]

To be fair, and I hate being fair, it's hard to say "don't give DSP money" when he keeps going on a frothing rage about how snowkarl wants him to sacrifice his health by playing an extra few minutes.

I do not think DSP should be given money under any circumstances, and it's clear he's now ignoring most of the troll cheers/tips, but it's very hard to make the argument that trolling doesn't work when at least 2-3 times a week there is a troll tip that causes DSP to rant unhinged for 10 minutes.

I can't condone the behavior; but I understand.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I do not think DSP should be given money under any circumstances, and it's clear he's now ignoring most of the troll cheers/tips, but it's very hard to make the argument that trolling doesn't work when at least 2-3 times a week there is a troll tip that causes DSP to rant unhinged for 10 minutes.

Who's the one getting trolled, though? Phil won't read anything if you don't pay him (except in extremely rare cases or you're Sidella or something). Thus, Phil only gets "upset" when he gets money and thus he wins in the end. Thanks for the money, dummy.

There's also part of Phil that's putting on an act. He's admitted many times to overdoing the "I was blahking, bugged netcode lag" nonsense in fighting games, and it's obvious when he's exaggerating it. He's probably doing the same with snowkarl knowing he'll keep khantributing, along with knowing he'll pay to get unbanned like other idiots.

Bottom line: Never give Phil money. Lack of khantributions will cause guaranteed genuine frustration and manchild behavior. But, people will never learn, so fuck it.