The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

a political movement whose core tenets are being online too often and having poor interpersonal and especially inter-familial relationships wound up being a crock of retarded, counterproductive, ineffective shit nevertheless crowing itself as the triumphant coming of salvation, revolution, and redemption? imagine my SHOOOOOOOOCK

see the above statement applies both to retarded-ass progressives and to the bozo brigade, except that after seeing the progressives shoot themselves in the foot and act like retards, a bunch of totally serious and not at all maladjusted people figured they could turn their lives right around and replicate that exact same strategy to victory. except they didn't realize that political victory isn't the same as actual victory, and so after sweeping the legislative and executive in 2016, they got jack dick done - a good preview of what's coming in 2022 and (presumably) 2024.

at least they'll have lots of excuses this time for why it's toooo haaaaaaaaard (and no it doesn't have anything to do with me standing for nothing and understanding as much of the political process as I do why my kids won't talk to me anymore), and we can see some fucking CHOICE 2013 memes again for another eight years. literally never gets old folks, don't ever worry about updating the material
 
Yeah, I like how you also just tip toe over the whole fact that the Florida Parental Rights Law was signed into law. Still not progress according to you, right, despite the fact a governor of one of the most populous states signed it? Also you went from "normies will never change their opinion" to "boomers are too normie so they don't matter, who cares what they watch or vote for?" You are a complete and utter disingenuous fraud.

No I'm including that law. That law is a cope that won't accomplish much or anything besides feeding people like you a brief dopamine hit. There are these pendulum swings where things feel like they are "going towards the right," there was another one with Blumpft in 2016. But then afterwards the pendulum always goes back harder left, and so over time, the beliefs of the left are inevitably normalized more and more. 10 years from now trannyshit will be as accepted as "regular" gays are today (i.e. it will be a dead issue because normies will have all fully accepted the leftie position on it), and the "controversial" new "human rights" issue will be something even worse like pedophilia or some shit.

Also, "I agree I don't do anything, I won't do anything, I can't change anything, I won't be involved in politics, I've always hated America, I even hated America from before I was alive, but you should listen to me about throwing away all your American rights and privileges." Yeah, sure thing, champ.

"American rights and privileges" still so fixated on the heckin' Constitution. Again, everything the left does to you, they do legally. They even like to point out at times that the things they do are a weaponization of those sacred "rights and privileges." The Constitution has nothing to say about any of it. One means of amending this would be to change the Constitution, yes, although that's probably a pipe dream. Another way, the way I would pick, would be to recognize the rules of the game and play by them. But you refuse to do either one, instead choosing to simply bury your head in the sand, taking comfort in delusions that somehow the boomers are going to fix this for you.

I have opinions on things, but why would I share them with some meme nazi dope who doesn't even believe in debate?

So I was correct in guessing that you have no actual moral beliefs besides maybe that it is wrong to actually have any moral beliefs. Funny how easily I was able to guess that.
 
So I was correct in guessing that you have no actual moral beliefs besides maybe that it is wrong to actually have any moral beliefs. Funny how easily I was able to guess that.

"I just spent five long posts arguing why debate should be eliminated, but why won't you give me more issues irreverent to the current discussion to debate you on?"

Here's a suggestion, spend Easter in a church and find Jesus, because he's probably one of the only people that can fix your broken mind.
 
Yeah, I have to agree with you. I don't have all day to do this anyways. It's just hilarious that people like this think they would be spared if their imagination masturbation hellscape was brought to fruition. They would be one of the first ones shoved into a ditch.
The kind of shit that happens every single time when ideologues take over. :pinetar:
 
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"I just spent five long posts arguing why debate should be eliminated, but why won't you give me more issues irreverent to the current discussion to debate you on?"

Here's a suggestion, spend Easter in a church and find Jesus, because he's probably one of the only people that can fix your broken mind.

I'm not all that interested in """debating""" you on any other beliefs, I'm just making the point that you don't have any.
 
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The entire primise of OP is wrong.
But this post isn't really that much about the Ukraine issue. It's simply the moment when I've noticed this problem.
The people who were stanning for Putin online weren't right wing. Those are /pol/-type contrarians who don't give a rat's ass about America, the constitution or anything else and have more in common with commies than the people that actually go to the polls for Republicans.
Yes and no. Putin stans (barring tankies) mostly have hardline right wing views and there indeed aren't too many of them. But these are downright mentally ill people who should be treated with pity at best and given no attention at worst. I have, however, had quite a few of my Trump-supporting friends spread Russian propaganda and I think they are significant enough in numbers to cause concern.
If you went and actually asked right leaning voters about the Ukraine issue, I doubt anyone would actually say anything positive about Russia. At most, you'd see people who say they don't want to get into a war over it, but that has more to do with post-Iraq war sentiments than anyone who actually gives a shit about Russia or Putin.
Don't disagree with you. I just feel like you misunderstood the fact that my post isn't really about Ukraine, but the lack of direction in the right wing movement. Yes, most of my critiques apply to the hardliners but even the moderates don't have much of a vision for the country's future and if they do it's been drowned out by the extremes. This is where the left succeeds - since it has an appealing vision, aesthetics alone are enough to reel in a lot of gullible young people. And it's hard to argue that they don't have a theme, consistency and unity in their political push. MAGA was something along those lines and for some years it seemed to be able to compete but after Trump's loss and his lack of meaningful legacy, the movement became a sort of headless chicken mentioned in my original post. And this splits the right wing into two: A people without a vision (Moderates, neocons etc.), and a vision without a people (remnants of the MAGA crowd).
 
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You pretty much nailed it. While you are busy carrying water for the left, they simply label your speech as "hate speech" and ban it. High-minded ideals don't give you a single ounce of protection from them, no matter how hard you shill. It's like being in a debate when the other guy pulls out a gun then trying to explain to him that he's breaking the rules of the debate as he loads it and aims at your head.
That's a really good metaphor. Gonna use that from now on.
 
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Kek @ alt-reich. It’s funny cause it’s true.
I think the left will follow the same totalitarian route as soon as they’ve found their own Trump. They’ve already called half the country deplorable anyway.
Yeah, and apparently by not banning people for saying things you don't like, you're "carrying water for the enemy."

All I want to do is be allowed to shout racial slurs in public and not go to jail for it, apparently.

"If you don't argue with an internet schizo, you have no beliefs." Profound stuff. Enjoy your weekend.
Obvious troll doesn't understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean agreeing with everything a person says, just means you shouldn't go to jail or get fired for having opinions. Even if those opinions are shit.

In Gay Weedhead's case, they definitely are.
 
But this post isn't really that much about the Ukraine issue. It's simply the moment when I've noticed this problem.

Yes and no. Putin stans (barring tankies) mostly have hardline right wing views and there indeed aren't too many of them. But these are downright mentally ill people who should be treated with pity at best and given no attention at worst. I have, however, had quite a few of my Trump-supporting friends spread Russian propaganda and I think they are significant enough in numbers to cause concern.

Don't disagree with you. I just feel like you misunderstood the fact that my post isn't really about Ukraine, but the lack of direction in the right wing movement. Yes, most of my critiques apply to the hardliners but even the moderates don't have much of a vision for the country's future and if they do it's been drowned out by the extremes. This is where the left succeeds - since it has an appealing vision, aesthetics alone are enough to reel in a lot of gullible young people. And it's hard to argue that they don't have a theme, consistency and unity in their political push. MAGA was something along those lines and for some years it seemed to be able to compete but after Trump's loss and his lack of meaningful legacy, the movement became a sort of headless chicken mentioned in my original post. And this splits the right wing into two: A people without a vision (Moderates, neocons etc.), and a vision without a people (remnants of the MAGA crowd).

Well, the original appeal of MAGA, imo, is something that came up from the Rust Belt. A lot of people who saw their factories and industries completely destroyed by corporate offshoring via Clinton's NAFTA felt disaffected with the Democrats and abandoned them for Trump who was explicitly anti-globalism and for protecting American financial interests in both regards to economic policy and foreign policy as well. This is something coastal Democrats still don't understand. They only see the culture war aspect of Trump and fail to see that his platform was mostly an economic argument.

I agree MAGA may seem a bit more confused now, but as long as it goes back to economic arguments, which should be easy with record inflation and gas prices, it should be able to find its footing again.
 
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Well, the original appeal of MAGA, imo, is something that came up from the Rust Belt. A lot of people who saw their factories and industries completely destroyed by corporate offshoring via Clinton's NAFTA felt disaffected with the Democrats and abandoned them for Trump who was explicitly anti-globalism and for protecting American financial interests in both regards to economic policy and foreign policy as well. This is something coastal Democrats still don't understand. They only see the culture war aspect of Trump and fail to see that his platform was mostly an economic argument.

I agree MAGA may seem a bit more confused now, but as long as it goes back to economic arguments, which should be easy with record inflation and gas prices, it should be able to find its footing again.
I don't think they can be spearheaded by Trump anymore. The mere association with Russia at this point is more than enough to tip the delicate scales of the two part system.
 
"If you don't argue with an internet schizo, you have no beliefs." Profound stuff. Enjoy your weekend.

If you can't name a single belief that you hold other than "free speech is good," then you have no beliefs (other than "free speech is good").

Don't disagree with you. I just feel like you misunderstood the fact that my post isn't really about Ukraine, but the lack of direction in the right wing movement. Yes, most of my critiques apply to the hardliners but even the moderates don't have much of a vision for the country's future and if they do it's been drowned out by the extremes. This is where the left succeeds - since it has an appealing vision, aesthetics alone are enough to reel in a lot of gullible young people. And it's hard to argue that they don't have a theme, consistency and unity in their political push. MAGA was something along those lines and for some years it seemed to be able to compete but after Trump's loss and his lack of meaningful legacy, the movement became a sort of headless chicken mentioned in my original post. And this splits the right wing into two: A people without a vision (Moderates, neocons etc.), and a vision without a people (remnants of the MAGA crowd).

I think our buddy @Mothra88 is a shining example of this. You can say I'm worse or whatever if you want, but he's a great personification of the so-called "conservative" who is vaguely against the left but isn't actually for anything aside from saying that the left is bad. And so it's no surprise that more people are drawn to the "vision" which offers them a worldview with actual values. This is shown yet again in this most recent post:

Well, the original appeal of MAGA, imo, is something that came up from the Rust Belt. A lot of people who saw their factories and industries completely destroyed by corporate offshoring via Clinton's NAFTA felt disaffected with the Democrats and abandoned them for Trump who was explicitly anti-globalism and for protecting American financial interests in both regards to economic policy and foreign policy as well. This is something coastal Democrats still don't understand. They only see the culture war aspect of Trump and fail to see that his platform was mostly an economic argument.

I agree MAGA may seem a bit more confused now, but as long as it goes back to economic arguments, which should be easy with record inflation and gas prices, it should be able to find its footing again.

Dismissive of any consideration of moral values and claiming that "the right" should only be about jobs and taxes, like it used to be pre-Trump. Sorry, but shilling for the right to work in a coal mine or car factory doesn't offer much of a worldview for people in the 2020s. And a lot of Trump's success was definitely due to his willingness to engage in the "culture war." If you think his anti-immigration rhetoric was purely an economic appeal you're deluded. If all people cared about was gibs they'd be voting for Bernie Sanders.

Obvious troll doesn't understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean agreeing with everything a person says, just means you shouldn't go to jail or get fired for having opinions. Even if those opinions are shit.

"go to jail" returns to the obsession with legal penalties, but you managed to break out of your programming for 2 seconds with "get fired for having opinions." The First Amendment does not protect you from being fired. Do you think it should be illegal to fire someone because of their political beliefs?
 
Yeah, and apparently by not banning people for saying things you don't like, you're "carrying water for the enemy."

All I want to do is be allowed to shout racial slurs in public and not go to jail for it, apparently.


Obvious troll doesn't understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean agreeing with everything a person says, just means you shouldn't go to jail or get fired for having opinions. Even if those opinions are shit.

In Gay Weedhead's case, they definitely are.
That's the issue, man. It's all well and good to say you're devoted to freedom of speech. It's a good goal, a good ideal.

But we danced that dance before, and as soon as the marxists were empowered they spun on their heels and declared anything they disliked 'hate speech'. That's the problem.
 
That's the issue, man. It's all well and good to say you're devoted to freedom of speech. It's a good goal, a good ideal.

But we danced that dance before, and as soon as the marxists were empowered they spun on their heels and declared anything they disliked 'hate speech'. That's the problem.
So basically glorified name calling. Maybe the right is worthless after all.

But you gotta have something to hold onto, even if it's stupid. That being said, I don't give a shit what a bunch of Marxists say, they can go fuck themselves.
 
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So basically glorified name calling. Maybe the right is worthless after all.

But you gotta have something to hold onto, even if it's stupid. That being said, I don't give a shit what a bunch of Marxists say, they can go fuck themselves.
Ideally it'd just be glorified name calling. Ideally they'd screech "THAT'S HATESPEECH! THAT'S HATESPEECH" and you could just laugh and not care. But we see again and again that isn't what happens, and therein lies the problem with free speech absolutism.

It's not a topic I'm very happy about it, but it's something I can't just ignore. The people I agreed with before about "FREE SPEECH BABY!" got into power and now are denying me my freedom of speech. That's just how it goes.
 
Ideally it'd just be glorified name calling. Ideally they'd screech "THAT'S HATESPEECH! THAT'S HATESPEECH" and you could just laugh and not care. But we see again and again that isn't what happens, and therein lies the problem with free speech absolutism.

It's not a topic I'm very happy about it, but it's something I can't just ignore. The people I agreed with before about "FREE SPEECH BABY!" got into power and now are denying me my freedom of speech. That's just how it goes.
I understand where you're coming from but you can't give up your ideals or else the enemy wins. I'm gonna say what I want anyway because I don't give a shit, I have nothing to lose.
 
This is something coastal Democrats still don't understand. They only see the culture war aspect of Trump and fail to see that his platform was mostly an economic argument.
His primary platform. As a president, he was a bog standard republican who didn't really do anything to expressly help those sorts of people; rather, he simply discarded onerous obama-era executive orders, which was a boon to just about any and every business. As a result that core of his primary, which had a sharp and distinct vision that at times would find itself agreeing often on certain topics with progressives, left him.

That core is the sort of core that you can see for other figures like Bolsonaro, Orban, Duterte, and Duda: in favor of large government and large government spending, just only on certain things. Marked difference from the Reagan core, and largely pushed for foreign policy and domestic infrastructure refreshes not too different from Saint Bernard Sanders himself. Trump made many homages towards those things, and realistically did nothing to their advantage; and in some cases, he even engendered the opposite. The Keystone pipeline originally passed certification when republicans didn't even control Congress, just lacking the votes to override Obama's veto. Instead of bringing said certification up again and passing it in congress, Trump's desire to look like he was fulfilling campaign promises led him to enable it through an executive order... leaving it vulnerable to being yanked out if he didn't win again. The working-class base took note, even if the middle-class howler monkeys laid the blame exclusively at Biden's feet.

Trump's votes numerically (discrete and %) in 2016 were smaller than what he brought in in 2020, and he was against a far more genuinely unlikable opponentthen. That's because he replaced the rust belt workers of his primary with gated-community culture warriors. You might recognize some of them - they're what explains this bit of exit polling. They're well-off, generally exurban, and are the font of "pwn the libs." Their political beliefs can best be summarized as "things are different and I don't like it." They were well off in 2008. They were well off in 1992. They were well off in 1972. They're the neocons with a new coat of paint, because the only reason they were neocons was because everyone else was doing it.

There is so, so much performative politics coming out of that party as the vultures swoop in to try to claim a position as Trump's anointed heir whenever he steps out of politics - bills passed and media firestorms all doing nothing, just so we can get some soundbites to pwn the libs. The demographic that raised him up is getting fucked over as they always have been, and the corpos are running as rampant over everyone as they always have. For all the screeching about social media, lacking any real ideological persuasion about the purpose of speech or government's use of regulation on such industries has led a whole lot of the ascendant right to argue with the highest flourish for the equivalent of having to enter a date of birth before looking at a whiskey brand's website.
But we danced that dance before, and as soon as the marxists were empowered they spun on their heels and declared anything they disliked 'hate speech'. That's the problem.
name one thing even remotely like twitter or facebook in all the history of the first amendment, and explain to me exactly how mccarthyism, blasphemy laws, and decency laws didn't already actually violate the first amendment versus private companies doing #justprivatecompanythings

you can go call jamal a niggerfaggot over on gab, and if you attach your name to it, you'll still face social repercussions. I know it might seem hard to believe, but genuine neo-nazis and genuine commies have dealt with this kind of shit for almost a century without crying nearly as much as some guys upset that the professional world isn't xbox live.
yeah, tranny shit is hard to contradict anywhere - because trannies have money and influence, and people are retarded. Kinda like when you just had to say that DnD was turning everyone into satanists when the flower children turned to god and still had plenty of cash-money to fund the world's jack thompsons. And who could forget the climate Zappa had to push back against, where those same flower-children-cum-christians had a government-regulation-based axe to grind with musicians? oh yeah people who never knew about it

and the last limb i've seen people complaing about "there's no point in supporting free speech..." concerns the fact that they couldn't cope with the fact that they fell for actual misinfo because it hurt their self-image. people bitching that the various media platforms "selectively removed conservative content as fake news" use that as a predicate to say that there's no use in caring about free speech... which might have a little more gravitas if not for the fact that people were pushing outright falsehoods, en masse. I remember a dude going frame by frame over a video that went viral with THEY'RE CHANGING THE VOTES FROM REPUBLICAN TO DEMOCRAT, SEE!!!!!! and the video itself showed them... copying ballots that were being rejected for one reason or another, with identical markings between the two ballots. He pointed this point, and thennnnnnnn everyone else proceeded to seethe and cope and say he was lying or that he doctored the footage because they were too retarded to boot up a video editing software and check the frames themselves. and then there were the invented powers of pence to throw the election out on january 6th which find no succor in the constitution, but that's OK because it isn't like anyone that shared that shit had ever fucking read the constitution, etc etc etc.

the "new" right has never cared about free speech, because they can't identify the concept and are largely just first-time political neophytes who can't even can't even their first political loss. i could use spoiler tags to make this smaller but this is already the shitposting zone of the webzone
 
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If the American right had more in common with commies, they would be degenerates.
Yeah, but they'd be winning just like commies have been winning since Bismarck created the first welfare state. In many ways we already live in a communist world, just the reformist communists won out rather than the orthodox communists of Lenin, Trotsky, etc. or the anti-revisionists of Mao. Remember, "social democracy" is still socialism, that's why the original name of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was the "Russian Social Democratic Workers Party."

Look into the concept of a vanguard party, Lenin's concept. Lenin's communists went from a minority of Russian socialists right to the ruling class. Not much different than how social justice types seized control of every Western left-wing party and kept the "conservatives" compromising until they themselves were just the lite version of the leftists.
I love it when people like you just admit they are reverse SJWs because you were swayed by some meme-ideology accidentally crafted by edgy shitposting. If everyone becomes pro-censorship and no one defends the constitution and civil liberties, it will be about five seconds later when you and other /pol/-faggots have a boot permanently stomped into your face in a way that puts what you're whining about now in complete and total perspective.
Bro, I've had this ideology for like a decade once I realized that libertarianism was stupid because it's just free license for powerful people to stomp on you. Only power can safeguard you from power, that's why once upon a time there used to be concepts like obscenity laws and limitations on free speech written right into law and upheld by the court. Communism, fascism, etc. all had their abuses in theory and practice, but the Western political system is still the absolute best for totalitarianism. Imagine if the Uniparty actually worked for the people and while democracy remained a sham, the people controlling Our Democracy actually were on our side.

Social justice ideology works because it's so aggressive and destructive to its enemies. Therefore, using the same tactics as social justice would bring about the same results assuming the context in society could be set up that way, which at this point probably requires McCarthyism on steroids (which would be a good thing if millions of people were blacklisted from government jobs). Remember, all of that is legal according to the Constitution and was made even more legal after the Civil War by which the US excised a particular ideology from the country that at one point was so powerful that you would be beaten to death and have all your property stolen/smashed if you advocated against it in the wrong place.
Fuck you have direct evidence of this happening in our version of the legal system NOW when you take out the 1st amendment protection in the UK and other commonwealth nations. You would literally be shoved in a cell for saying the nigger word in your post. No one likes what the left has been trying to do, but stop being a child.
Which happens in the US too, remember the video of the Asian grandpa talking about "no nigger zones?" Arrested. Or the New Jersey college kids who were overheard saying nigger? Arrested. Many such cases. And that's not counting how you can be sued into oblivion for any of this, let alone the fact that saying "nigger" means an autoban from life if the mob targets you.
Yes, you hate the ideas behind America, we get it. When your opponents become hypocritical scumfucks to push dumb ideas, you think you should become bigger hypocrical scumfucks to push even dumber ideas. Wow, you showed them. I'm sure your dystopian hellhole would be such an improvement to live under until it is ulitimately is unsurped by the other side and things are made 10 times worse than what they were before.
Idealists literally never win, they get shot. "If you kill your enemies, they win" is not how reality works. You'd be the same person whining about how the Patriots should just try being a little nicer to King George, and then surely he'd see their point. And how there's some nice men in London who are going to make things all right, see some guys even have sympathy for us Patriots! And god forbid that Boston Tea Party thing, that's HORRIBLE, we can't be just like them!

It's also arguable whether the ideas behind America will even be relevant soon given the course of technology. Maybe they are just as obsolete as Bronze Age god-king economies and ideologies. Marxism can't either, but that's been replaced by "WEFism"/technocratic globalism with pod life, bug eating, and worship of rigged democracy and "free markets" (for corporations only). What's the alternative ideology? Probably something similarly authoritarianism like what I'm suggesting here, but working for the people instead of the elite. But conservatives don't realize that because conservatives are stupid.
Yeah, I like how you also just tip toe over the whole fact that the Florida Parental Rights Law was signed into law. Still not progress according to you, right, despite the fact a governor of one of the most populous states signed it? Also you went from "normies will never change their opinion" to "boomers are too normie so they don't matter, who cares what they watch or vote for?" You are a complete and utter disingenuous fraud.
That's literally the opposite of progress, that's a desperate last effort. This never needed to be a law even 20 years ago. It's still not a very good law because it's basically saying "it's okay to teach 10 years that they don't know what gender they are, just plz don't teach 9 year olds." Progress would be saying "keep this shit out of schools", or at the very least "not before high school, you sickos." But no, Republicans are celebrating the fact that sickos have to wait until kids are 10 years old to teach them about feminine penises and the wonders of chemical castration.
Did he actually say so? Ain't saying it didn't happen, I just haven't seen it if it did.

His "Why do you hate Putin" take was still dumb, though. I hated the man as a sociopathic autocrat who'd rather kill his critics than engage them long before Ukraine was in the news.
His critics just so happen to be on the payroll for the CIA and likely would kill him first if he showed any mercy. It's easy to say "oh Putin should be nicer" when his country was systematically pillaged for over a decade by Western-backed oligarchs finally fulfilling their plan of destroying Russia and instituting the "end of history" to the point of openly rigging elections for their guy Yeltsin. I think any good leader in that situation would be roughly following Putin's path (the US will find itself in that situation soon enough BTW). When the world is arrayed against you, you have no room for concepts like "human rights", "free speech", etc. because those concepts are luxuries. "International norms" are luxuries as well, set by the powerful nations and disregarded at will (i.e. US lies about Iraq).
 
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