The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

Oy vey, don't you support my heckin' FREEZE PEACH though?@! Why don't you support my right to say freeze peach is retarded? Are you saying you won't DEFEND TO THE DEATH my right to use my freeze peach to say freeze peach is stupid??
You have every right to be a fucking retard with shit opinions all you want. I will defend that to the death. But you'd probably be happier in a communist country anyway, so, cheerio.
The people who claim to be liberal are often progressives instead (sadly) and infect everything they come near with their shameful commie mentality. I mean, how is cancel culture liberal? How is idpol liberal? Stifling whoever doesn’t dance to your tune is the exact opposite if you ask me.
But the modern/alt right isn’t much better. What does it even stand for? Everything it claims to love is expressed in its hatred for everything else. Take away the hate and what do you have? Nothing.

Modern politics is nothing but hate. And I hate it. The two sides differ only in what they hate: The new vs the old.

Agreed. Free speech is indispensable for societies to function somewhat normally and for ideas to flourish. Just look at China.
Agreed, DNC/socialist fags vs. Alt-Reich fags is all we have now. I hate the fact that the word "liberal" has been hijacked to support some very illiberal things, like cancel culture, gun control, critical race theory, etc.
 
Agreed, DNC/socialist fags vs. Alt-Reich fags is all we have now. I hate the fact that the word "liberal" has been hijacked to support some very illiberal things, like cancel culture, gun control, critical race theory, etc.

Welcome to your wonderful Freeze Peach paradise, friendo. People are picking sides and advocating for actual sets of values, unlike you who seems to have no values besides "anything goes." Isn't this exactly what you want to "defend to the death," this noble "marketplace of ideas?" Why does it bother you so much that people aren't using their sacred Freeze Peach to say the things you want them to say? That's what Freeze Peach is all about, after all.
 
It's funny how fast anyone who doesn't do the whole freeze peach cope is immediately assumed to want gas chambers and firing squads,
Well, considering a lot of those people are unironically screaming about "Muh day of the rope", can you blame them?

If the American right had more in common with commies, they wouldn't keep losing.

If the American right had more in common with commies, they would be degenerates.
 
Because your average right-leaning voter is a neocon boomer who's been temporarily persuaded into looking beyond the chains of niggercattledom by their mythical lord and savior, Donald Trump, who made it feel like that for once in their life, they weren't losing. Fox News worshippers are precisely why the American right of today is completely and utterly worthless.

If the American right had more in common with commies, they wouldn't keep losing.

As stupid as boomers can be, I at least trust them more than someone who is such of a tool he says something like this:

There's a lot to be said about silencing bad ideas. We wouldn't have a lot of problems if we just censored them out of existence through the same manipulation they use against us.

I love it when people like you just admit they are reverse SJWs because you were swayed by some meme-ideology accidentally crafted by edgy shitposting. If everyone becomes pro-censorship and no one defends the constitution and civil liberties, it will be about five seconds later when you and other /pol/-faggots have a boot permanently stomped into your face in a way that puts what you're whining about now in complete and total perspective.

Fuck you have direct evidence of this happening in our version of the legal system NOW when you take out the 1st amendment protection in the UK and other commonwealth nations. You would literally be shoved in a cell for saying the nigger word in your post. No one likes what the left has been trying to do, but stop being a child.

If the American right had more in common with commies, they wouldn't keep losing.

Yes, you hate the ideas behind America, we get it. When your opponents become hypocritical scumfucks to push dumb ideas, you think you should become bigger hypocrical scumfucks to push even dumber ideas. Wow, you showed them. I'm sure your dystopian hellhole would be such an improvement to live under until it is ulitimately is unsurped by the other side and things are made 10 times worse than what they were before.
 
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I'm well aware of the fact that people buy into the Utopian idealist part of communism, everyone is equal, etc., but Karl Marx didn't really think too hard about how we get to communism, or at least he left stuff out or just plain didn't understand human nature.

And even worse, once they obtain power, those at the top never give it up and just turn communist societies into their own personal fiefdoms.

I still don't think people should be jailed for beliefs no matter how wrong they are. That is not who we are nor who we should be as a country.


There are people who exist who unironically believe that, although there are a few socialist types in the DNC. People in America think when AOC types mention it they're talking of the Red Army and @JosephStalin and gulags and stuff. A bit extreme but I understand where they're coming from. Unfortunately, those types tend to force their way in though, no matter what ideology they claim.
Here's mainly the point I was making about liberalism. The concept of freedom under liberalism in many ways is used in the same way Communism uses the concept of equality. The people who desire control simply have to become the ones who define what is free and what is fair. I think the Christian baker was a good example of this. Clearly, he had every right in the world to reject the demand to make a gay wedding cake, but because the courts ultimately have control over who has what rights, he ended up getting penalized. Of course, this would have been a completely different story if let's say he was operating a cake shop in a Christian monarchy. Therein lies my main hang-up with liberalism as an ideology. There is still a ruling class that gets to decide on who has what rights, so ultimately you don't really have true freedom, and it's arguable that you'd have more freedom in an openly authoritarian society that shared your same worldview. I think this is the main reason why the American left keeps winning the culture wars. They don't care about freedom for all but do care about whether or not they get to do what they want to do.
 
I love it when people like you just admit they are reverse SJWs because you were swayed by some meme-ideology accidentally crafted by edgy shitposting. If everyone becomes pro-censorship and no one defends the constitution and civil liberties, it will be about five seconds later when you and other /pol/-faggots have a boot permanently stomped into your face in a way that puts what you're whining about now in complete and total perspective.

Fuck you have direct evidence of this happening in our version of the legal system NOW when you take out the 1st amendment protection in the UK and other commonwealth nations. You would literally be shoved in a cell for saying the nigger word in your post. No one likes what the left has been trying to do, but stop being a child.

I think if this discussion is going to go anywhere, and I recognize that it probably still won't, but if it is, we need to move past the obsession with the legal system. The following techniques are employed by the left to control speech:

1. Boycotting or generally shaming private companies/businesses
2. Getting people fired from their job by telling their boss they are a racist
3. Spamming people with floods of hate messages
4. Socially shunning and "othering" people who commit wrongthink
5. Banning dissent off of social media

And probably many more if I really sat here and wrote them all out. All of these are legal. The First Amendment does not protect you from any of it. So put aside the obsession over laws and legality for 2 seconds and try to think about this issue in terms of action that is already legal and always has been. Should "the right," or whatever ideology you believe in (if there even is one), fight back on these same terms? Or would it be "not respecting the heckin' freeze peach" to do so?

Here's mainly the point I was making about liberalism. The concept of freedom under liberalism in many ways is used in the same way Communism uses the concept of equality. The people who desire control simply have to become the ones who define what is free and what is fair. I think the Christian baker was a good example of this. Clearly, he had every right in the world to reject the demand to make a gay wedding cake, but because the courts ultimately have control over who has what rights, he ended up getting penalized. Of course, this would have been a completely different story if let's say he was operating a cake shop in a Christian monarchy. Therein lies my main hang-up with liberalism as an ideology. There is still a ruling class that gets to decide on who has what rights, so ultimately you don't really have true freedom, and it's arguable that you'd have more freedom in an openly authoritarian society that shared your same worldview. I think this is the main reason why the American left keeps winning the culture wars. They don't care about freedom for all but do care about whether or not they get to do what they want to do.

You pretty much nailed it. While you are busy carrying water for the left, they simply label your speech as "hate speech" and ban it. High-minded ideals don't give you a single ounce of protection from them, no matter how hard you shill. It's like being in a debate when the other guy pulls out a gun then trying to explain to him that he's breaking the rules of the debate as he loads it and aims at your head.
 
The people who were stanning for Putin online weren't right wing. Those are /pol/-type contrarians who don't give a rat's ass about America, the constitution or anything else and have more in common with commies than the people that actually go to the polls for Republicans.
So Tucker Carlson, Ben Garrison, Candace Owens, and MTG don't give a rat's ass about Americans? Bout time it was confirmed.
 
So Tucker Carlson, Ben Garrison, Candace Owens, and MTG don't give a rat's ass about Americans? Bout time it was confirmed.

I don't know what Magic the Gathering has to do with this (or whatever that stands for), but as far as Tucker is concerned I already covered that. His stand point is skepticism of getting involved in more wars after the debacles of the Middle East forever wars. Anti-war isolationism is a completely understandable stand-point that has nothing to do with being on Putin's side and was at certain points in history also the defacto liberal position so attacking it like that is even dumber.

You pretty much nailed it. While you are busy carrying water for the left, they simply label your speech as "hate speech" and ban it. High-minded ideals don't give you a single ounce of protection from them, no matter how hard you shill. It's like being in a debate when the other guy pulls out a gun then trying to explain to him that he's breaking the rules of the debate as he loads it and aims at your head.

Yet hate speech can't be directly punished by the government in the US because the constuitional interpretation of free speech is all-encompasing. (Yes, I know the next argument will be factors that go into prosecuting hate crimes, I don't believe in that, but we're talking about speech without other crimes surrounding it.) The fact that Twitter retards are trying to change the fact that hate speech is a thing in the US just by saying so doesn't mean you shouldn't go in and argue the fact they are wrong.

I think if this discussion is going to go anywhere, and I recognize that it probably still won't, but if it is, we need to move past the obsession with the legal system. The following techniques are employed by the left to control speech:

1. Boycotting or generally shaming private companies/businesses
2. Getting people fired from their job by telling their boss they are a racist
3. Spamming people with floods of hate messages
4. Socially shunning and "othering" people who commit wrongthink
5. Banning dissent off of social media

And probably many more if I really sat here and wrote them all out. All of these are legal. The First Amendment does not protect you from any of it. So put aside the obsession over laws and legality for 2 seconds and try to think about this issue in terms of action that is already legal and always has been. Should "the right," or whatever ideology you believe in (if there even is one), fight back on these same terms? Or would it be "not respecting the heckin' freeze peach" to do so?



You pretty much nailed it. While you are busy carrying water for the left, they simply label your speech as "hate speech" and ban it. High-minded ideals don't give you a single ounce of protection from them, no matter how hard you shill. It's like being in a debate when the other guy pulls out a gun then trying to explain to him that he's breaking the rules of the debate as he loads it and aims at your head.

Well, you can't really separate the legal from the non-legal, because if no one is defending free speech as a concept and American ideal in the public square despite how much the left tries to clamp down on it, you really think the entire legal side won't be undermined and erased as well? Once that happens, it's game over period. People who think they are on the other side of libtards dismissing free speech is retarded especially on a platform like this that would be illegal if the US was a country like Australia that doesn't have free speech.

People are trying to come up with ways to fight the other front, which is what Musk is doing right now. Personally, I think a lot of this is for the other side is fashion. Maybe it isn't with some of the academic asshole professors and antifa bomb throwers, but a lot of hanger-ons like the Twitter side are doing this for asspats and because of the social aspect. With how unpopular Demcorats are right now due to their shitty policies directly making everything expensive, turning the public against them in a bigger way is almost there. When SJWs and PC is beyond uncool again, I doubt the strangle-hold will be as strong as it was before. People may become apathetic again like in the early 2000's with their "both sides are bad, lesser of two evils" argument, but that would at least be a massive improvement over where we are now.

Undermining their grip on media and academia will be a harder hurdle to get past, but the free speech argument is the best thing to do that with in regards to protecting people who disagree with libtard ideology or just allowing people to openly mock the shit out of the other side, which is a good tool to effect cultural change. Completely reverting to the 1950's when you could just strong-arm them out completely isn't going to work and I don't even see how that is possible.

I'm not completely against using some of the same tools against them since they use them, but discarding free speech as an ideal is retarded and will backfire in spectacular fashion and everyone should know that because it's obvious. The reason why there's even a chance to fight back is because of free speech.
 
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And I don't buy it about Tucker, considering he was a big cheerleader for invading Iraq.
 
Well, you can't really separate the legal from the non-legal, because if no one is defending free speech as a concept and American ideal in the public square despite how much the left tries to clamp down on it, you really think the entire legal side won't be undermined and erased as well?

Ding ding ding. You figured it out. If you want to have "free speech," you must be willing to exclude those who do not want it. The consequences of not doing so are playing out right in front of our eyes.

When SJWs and PC is beyond uncool again, I doubt the strangle-hold will be as strong as it was before. People may become apathetic again like in the early 2000's with their "both sides are bad, lesser of two evils" argument, but that would at least be a massive improvement over where we are now.

Thinking that you will "make SJWs uncool" is one of the biggest copes I have ever heard.

I'm not completely against using some of the same tools against them since they use them, but discarding free speech as an ideal is retarded and will backfire in spectacular fashion and everyone should know that because it's obvious. The reason why there's even a chance to fight back is because of free speech.

No, the reason there's a chance to fight back is because approximately half of the country is not yet fully pozzed. And you are correct in observing that if that balance of power changes for the worse, your precious First Amendment won't mean jack. I would argue that it already doesn't--we have to have this debate here on a fringe site under anonymous names because it's not allowable to even talk about any of this in public. And even places like Kiwifarms here are vestiges of the old "free" Internet, every attempt is made to fuck with and shut it down.
 
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And I don't buy it about Tucker, considering he was a big cheerleader for invading Iraq.
Nah, that's Tucker's stand point. He realizes he was stupid for cheerleading for the invasion and was humbled over that after Jon Stewart embarrassed him. If you watched any of his stuff in the past 5 years, Iraq being a mistake is one of the biggest components of his current worldview. He changed positions, but he's right for doing so so don't punish him for it.
 
Nah, that's Tucker's stand point. He realizes he was stupid for cheerleading for the invasion and was humbled over that after Jon Stewart embarrassed him.
Did he actually say so? Ain't saying it didn't happen, I just haven't seen it if it did.

His "Why do you hate Putin" take was still dumb, though. I hated the man as a sociopathic autocrat who'd rather kill his critics than engage them long before Ukraine was in the news.
 
DNC/socialist fags vs. Alt-Reich fags is all we have now
Kek @ alt-reich. It’s funny cause it’s true.
I think the left will follow the same totalitarian route as soon as they’ve found their own Trump. They’ve already called half the country deplorable anyway.
 
Ding ding ding. You figured it out. If you want to have "free speech," you must be willing to exclude those who do not want it. The consequences of not doing so are playing out right in front of our eyes.
That makes no logical sense. If the defacto rule is there is free speech, that doesn't mean you can just eliminate it by saying you don't like free speech. Those people will just pound sand until they tire out.
Thinking that you will "make SJWs uncool" is one of the biggest copes I have ever heard.

A good portion of posts on this forum right now are about SJWs, troons, and other politically left people being uncool. How is this a cope? These people are naturally obnoxious. I guess your argument is they are cool, which is sad then. lol The idea that cringe nazi pagan shit will ever be cool or mainstream is the real cope btw.

No, the reason there's a chance to fight back is because approximately half of the country is not yet fully pozzed. And you are correct in observing that if that balance of power changes for the worse, your precious First Amendment won't mean jack. I would argue that it already doesn't--we have to have this debate here on a fringe site under anonymous names because it's not allowable to even talk about any of this in public. And even places like Kiwifarms here are vestiges of the old "free" Internet, every attempt is made to fuck with and shut it down.

Now you're mocking the first amendment. Jesus Christ, sometimes I wish you people could try not to post like a literal strawmen.

It's a fact you can only argue against this shit because of free speech or the governement wouldn't allow you ANY means to do so even beyond what you think has happened because of the advent of mega social media companies.

Trends change, paradigm shifts happen. I seriously fucking doubt SJW will be permanetly en-vogue like you and the doom-pillers are arguing. Regardless of how you choose to fight back agaisnt "poz," discarding free speech is the literal throwing the baby out with the bathwater cliche and will result in both your short term and long term demise.
 
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That makes no logical sense. If the defacto rule is there is free speech, that doesn't mean you can just eliminate it by saying you don't like free speech. Those people will just pound sand until they tire out.

No, they will slowly change standards until they eventually get their way. Again, as we are seeing right in front of our eyes. This happens because they convince people like you that you aren't allowed to resist their influence because you need to protect their "free speech." All the while they do everything in their power to remove your free speech. It's a completely coherent strategy for taking over western culture and again it has objectively succeeded in doing so.


good portion of posts on this forum right now are about SJWs, troons, and other politically left people bieng uncool. How is this a cope? These people are naturally obnoxious. I guess your argument is they are cool, which is sad then. lol The idea that cringe nazi pagan shit will ever be cool or mainstream is the real cope btw.

Yes because you are banned from talking about it on most other spaces now. People seething on kiwifarms is not going to change normie culture.


change, paradigm shifts happen. I seriously fucking doubt SJW will be permanetly en-vogue like you and the doom-pillers are arguing. Regardless of how you choose to fight back agaisnt "poz," discarding free speech is the literal throwing the baby out with the bathwater cliche and will result in both your short term and long term demise.

If the standards do change it won't be due to people like you who have no beliefs other than "anything goes." It will be changed by people who are even more intolerant and hostile to social justice than social justice was to them, who don't care about their enemy's "free speech" and thus spend their energy actually hurting the enemy instead of carrying water for them.

I don't have much hope though because any genuine dissident has to waste his time arguing this tiresome shit with subverted NPCs like you.
 
No, they will slowly change standards until they eventually get their way. Again, as we are seeing right in front of our eyes. This happens because they convince people like you that you aren't allowed to resist their influence because you need to protect their "free speech." All the while they do everything in their power to remove your free speech. It's a completely coherent strategy for taking over western culture and again it has objectively succeeded in doing so.

Oh please, don't accuse me of being manipulated when only a complete dullard could be manipulated into taking the position that free speech is bad when trying to openly argue with speech to change what you are allowed to say on other speech platforms. No one is this dumb, everyone knows what this is about. I mean I read /pol/ because sometimes they have unique information, but I can actually contextualize what is said there without getting brain washed into meme-authortiarianism.

Yes, everyone is aware that SJWs are using the business angle to brow-beat people into their point of view. It will never, however, change the fact that authoritarianism is bad and arguing otherwise makes you an anti-American fuckwad.

As far as changing standards until free speech is gone on the legal level purely through use of free speech, that's going to take longer than the SJWs will be popular on their current trajectory. You can only do that by radically changing the Supreme Court because even people like Ginsburg agreed on the pro-free speech standpoint, but still trying to help the other side like you are by saying the first ammendnent is trash just makes you another flavor of commie/SJW imo. Who the fuck would want to live under your rules anyways?

Yes because you are banned from talking about it on most other spaces now. People seething on kiwifarms is not going to change normie culture.

You REALLY haven't been paying attention then. Anti-troon/SJW ideogolgy stuff is mainstream in the right right now. It's all over Fox News for one, and it's the center piece of legislation in multiple states including Florida. You can't argue boomers are normies and then not see this as some kind of progress that this shit is actually being debated now. Yeah, the other side is screenching about it and mischaracterizing it, but it's still happening.

If the standards do change it won't be due to people like you who have no beliefs other than "anything goes." It will be changed by people who are even more intolerant and hostile to social justice than social justice was to them, who don't care about their enemy's "free speech" and thus spend their energy actually hurting the enemy instead of carrying water for them.

I don't have much hope though because any genuine dissident has to waste his time arguing this tiresome shit with subverted NPCs like you.

Wanting to live under the civil liberties of the American constitution isn't "anything goes." And you or other meme-nazis won't be changing shit, and you know it. If you hate the founding documents so much, go live somewhere else, but you won't because you know I'm right. You are a literal NPC larping like you aren't one. Just telling people to throw their country away on the intenret over troons isn't doing anything and no one who isn't insane is going to listen to you.
 
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Oh please, don't accuse me of being manipulated when only a complete dullard could be manipulated into taking the position that free speech is bad when trying to openly argue with speech to change what you are allowed to say on other speech platforms. No one is this dumb, everyone knows what this is about. I mean I read /pol/ because sometimes they have unique information, but I can actually contextualize what is said there without getting brain washed into meme-authortiarianism.

Yes, everyone is aware that SJWs are using the business angle to brow-beat people into their point of view. It will never, however, change the fact that authoritarianism is bad and arguing otherwise makes you an anti-American fuckwad.

As far as changing standards until free speech is gone on the legal level purely through use of free speech, that's going to take longer than the SJWs will be popular on their current trajectory. You can only do that by radically changing the Supreme Court because even people like Ginsburg agreed on the pro-free speech standpoint, but still trying to help the other side like you are by saying the first ammendnent is trash just makes you another flavor of commie/SJW imo. Who the fuck would want to live under your rules anyways?



You REALLY haven't been paying attention then. Anti-troon/SJW ideogolgy stuff is mainstream in the right right now. It's all over Fox News for one, and it's the center piece of legislation in multiple states including Florida. You can't argue boomers are normies and then not see this as some kind of progress that this shit is actually being debated now. Yeah, the other side is screenching about it and mischaracterizing it, but it's still happening.



Wanting to live under the civil liberties of the American constitution isn't "anything goes." And you or other meme-nazis won't be changing shit, and you know it. If you hate the founding documents so much, go live somewhere else, but you won't because you know I'm right. You are a literal NPC larping like you aren't one. Just telling people to throw their country away on the intenret over troons isn't doing anything and no one who isn't insane is going to listen to you.
I admire your patience, but you’re wasting your time; he doesn’t actually care about free speech, he just wants “SJWs” dead.
"SJWs" are not interested in your high-minded concept of "sharing ideas," they just want you dead or otherwise subdued. And their masters have subverted your mind so thoroughly that you think of someone like me as a nOt SeE for daring to suggest that maybe people should fight them back on their own terms.
 
You REALLY haven't been paying attention then. Anti-troon/SJW ideogolgy stuff is mainstream in the right right now. It's all over Fox News for one, and it's the center piece of legislation in multiple states including Florida. You can't argue boomers are normies and then not see this as some kind of progress that this shit is actually being debated now. Yeah, the other side is screenching about it and mischaracterizing it, but it's still happening.

Lmao pointing at Fox News to save the day? Oh yeah boomers to the rescue!1 Just gotta voote harder and get orange man back in there to trigger the libs with more tweets!! Because that totally mattered the first time around. The shit you are referring to is controlled opposition. It's small doses of copium fed to people like you to keep you complacent.

Wanting to live under the civil liberties of the American constitution isn't "anything goes." And you or other meme-nazis won't be changing shit, and you know it. If you hate the founding documents so much, go live somewhere else, but you won't because you know I'm right. You are a literal NPC larping like you aren't one. Just telling people to throw their country away on the intenret over troons isn't doing anything and no one who isn't insane is going to listen to you.

The country was already thrown away decades ago before any of us were even born. I do agree I won't be changing anything, that's why I'm shitposting here on kiwifarms and not participating in politics, because I think it's all fake and gay. I prefer taking care of myself rather than getting high on copium and becoming a useful idiot.

Oh I almost forgot to ask, do you actually have any beliefs about anything? What do you use your freeze peach to advocate for, besides freeze peach itself? Anything?
 
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Lmao pointing at Fox News to save the day? Oh yeah boomers to the rescue!1 Just gotta voote harder and get orange man back in there to trigger the libs with more tweets!! Because that totally mattered the first time around. The shit you are referring to is controlled opposition. It's small doses of copium fed to people like you to keep you complacent.

Yeah, I like how you also just tip toe over the whole fact that the Florida Parental Rights Law was signed into law. Still not progress according to you, right, despite the fact a governor of one of the most populous states signed it? Also you went from "normies will never change their opinion" to "boomers are too normie so they don't matter, who cares what they watch or vote for?" You are a complete and utter disingenuous fraud.

The country was already thrown away decades ago before any of us were even born. I do agree I won't be changing anything, that's why I'm shitposting here on kiwifarms and not participating in politics, because I think it's all fake and gay. I prefer taking care of myself rather than getting high on copium and becoming a useful idiot.

Oh I almost forgot to ask, do you actually have any beliefs about anything? What do you use your freeze peach to advocate for, besides freeze peach itself? Anything?

You have the same energy as an emo goth from the late 90's rebelling against your parents.

Also, "I agree I don't do anything, I won't do anything, I can't change anything, I won't be involved in politics, I've always hated America, I even hated America from before I was alive, but you should listen to me about throwing away all your American rights and privileges." Yeah, sure thing, champ.

I have opinions on things, but why would I share them with some meme nazi dope who doesn't even believe in debate?

and becoming a useful idiot.

LOL the irony. Get some self awareness. Holy shit.

I admire your patience, but you’re wasting your time; he doesn’t actually care about free speech, he just wants “SJWs” dead.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. I don't have all day to do this anyways. It's just hilarious that people like this think they would be spared if their imagination masturbation hellscape was brought to fruition. They would be one of the first ones shoved into a ditch.
 
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