The Paranormal

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Conjuring house is just more evidence for basically all paranormal activity just being drunks and scam artists. I imagine any that isn’t explained by that is just raccoons living in walls
 
Has anyone considered what are perceived as paranormal events are simply bugs in a simulation theory existence? I make no claim this is the answer only a possible explanation.

Just think about some hi res FPS or Skyrim or something and the physics engine just bugged out? A sound was out of sync, a figure was not in full resolution, the physics engine was just glitchy and what you saw on a PC screen did not make sense.

There was a very old movie called the "the 13th floor" based on an old Novel written by Daniel F. Galouye, in which a series of events which make no sense lead to a murder only to be revealed the cause of the murder and odd events such as missing time are simply the result of a simulated world being tampered with the creators for recreational purposes.


 
Troon_Patrol said:
Has anyone considered what are perceived as paranormal events are simply bugs in a simulation theory existence?
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The Matrix Reloaded portrayed things like ghosts, werewolves and vampires as being leftover programs from older versions of the Matrix that avoided deletion. Déjà vu was explained as something that happens when the Matrix is suddenly changed in the first movie. Basically, anything that could be categorized as paranormal in the Matrix movies was explained away as sudden code changes, bugs or leftover programs that weren't deleted.

I think simulation theory is kind of interesting and not necessarily in conflict with certain religions if you consider the idea that all creation is just a dream occurring in the mind of God.
 
Samhain said:
The Matrix Reloaded portrayed things like ghosts, werewolves and vampires as being leftover programs from older versions of the Matrix that avoided deletion. Déjà vu was explained as something that happens when the Matrix is suddenly changed in the first movie. Basically, anything that could be categorized as paranormal in the Matrix movies was explained away as sudden code changes, bugs or leftover programs that weren't deleted.

I think simulation theory is kind of interesting and not necessarily in conflict with certain religions if you consider the idea that all creation is just a dream occurring in the mind of God.
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People laugh at simulation theory but, when asked to explain how it's not a mathematical probability they struggle. We do have demonstrable evidence certain things react differently when observed by the human mind. When I say that I need to be clear, as in two exact physical experiments react differently when observed and not observed, repeatedly producing the same results. You can just as easily claim this is evidence of God as AI I suppose. There are lectures out there by men far smarter than I'll ever be explaining the details. A question this large I won't even attempt to make claim of personal belief on I'll simply state the math is certainly not in our favor.

Off topic: I Really enjoyed that first movie when I first saw it. Maybe it was all the gun porn. The sequels were mediocre at best and when I found out just how much had been plagiarized to create the first film I was offended and couldn't enjoy it as much. When I found out two guys who wrote it became faggot troons and didn't make a single half decent movie since the 1999 original I just look back at the film as something I used to enjoy. A true "broken clock scenario".

@Fred Herbert, If you'd like to explain why my opinion is dumb I would like to legitimately know why you came that conclusion.
 
Simulation theory is interesting. The fact that I’ve never once seen any of the proponents of it take the final step and say ‘if it’s a simulation who is the simulator?’ I find interesting too, it’s like they can’t bear to think that perhaps God created the world and set things up.
 
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Simulation theory is interesting. The fact that I’ve never once seen any of the proponents of it take the final step and say ‘if it’s a simulation who is the simulator?’ I find interesting too, it’s like they can’t bear to think that perhaps God created the world and set things up.
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I think you nail what bothers me so much about it, there's something very cowardly about it.

The common theory today is that all the myths and religions were dumb ignorant people trying to make theories for science they didn't understand. I think its the other way around, cientism has taken hold so much that people are making up mundane explanations for metaphisical ideas that nag at them and can't do away with despite wanting to be fully materialistic.
 
LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
people are making up mundane explanations for metaphisical ideas that nag at them and can't do away with despite wanting to be fully materialistic.
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Yeah that’s a good way of putting it. Some things we still have no explanation of - I often bring up consciousness as an example. Not a single testable theory for a thing we all experience. It makes you think
 
Otterly said:
Yeah that’s a good way of putting it. Some things we still have no explanation of - I often bring up consciousness as an example. Not a single testable theory for a thing we all experience. It makes you think
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Consciousness exists outside of the body, this is proven by multitudes of NDE experiences. In what format that consciousness exists when the mind is shut down nobody knows. Every ancient culture on earth has their own theory. But you have to have your fingers in your ears not to acknowledge that consciousness as in the soul exists outside of your day to day existence. I’ve had an out of body experience, I can tell you categorically that it is true. And this is coming from someone who was an atheist for the majority of his life.
 
Otterly said:
Go on…. Interesting.
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I never had a full one but I did almost induce one. All you kids at home, try this!

1) go to bed for around 4 hours
2) wake up and do something for an hour. Something low stimulating like read a book*
3) go back to bed but visualize a rope above you
4) now visualize yourself reaching for the rope and pulling yourself up

I started to experience a strong buzz through my whole body. Very intense, in addition I had a "eeeeeeeeee" noise in my ears from the vibration I was feeling. Visually I was seeing myself going through a tunnel of swirling colors. It was all very similar to the launching effect of dmt.

Unfortunately my active mind took over going "holy shit! What's happening?!" Knocking myself right out of it. Havent had much of a chance to retry it so cant report the further effects.


*not sure if it had an effect but avoid alcohol, weed, computer, etc
 
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LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
The common theory today is that all the myths and religions were dumb ignorant people trying to make theories for science they didn't understand. I think its the other way around, cientism has taken hold so much that people are making up mundane explanations for metaphisical ideas that nag at them and can't do away with despite wanting to be fully materialistic.
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The search for what is true is done by many while ignoring a large portion of the toolkit humanity has available innately. Much of (particularly western) humanity seems hellbent on ignoring or attempting to exterminate their connection to..let's call it "spirit". Focusing on the without at the expense of the within, etc.

Those myths and religious texts (which are also allegory/myth) require a mind so far beyond most as to be unrecognizable in order to create. Imagine any given research group attempting to write (what they believe to be) "truth" in a manner that can still be understood a couple hundred years from now. Now try thousands of years from now. The likelihood of success, I would suggest, would be extremely low.

To dismiss what ancient cultures have written with one's limited outward-facing mindset is missing the point entirely..if not the height of hubris.
Roland TB-303 said:
I’ve had an out of body experience, I can tell you categorically that it is true.
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Are you willing to talk about it, fren? If not here, then perhaps in a DM? I adore hearing about people's experiences on their own journey towards the truth of things.
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I think personally that we have something like a soul and I am a scientist. Maybe not a very good one, I seem to entertain heretical ideas
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On the contrary - I find this makes you, without exaggeration, the best one I've happened across out in the wild.
Jimjamflimflam said:
I started to experience a strong buzz through my whole body. Very intense, in addition I had a "eeeeeeeeee" noise in my ears from the vibration I was feeling. Visually I was seeing myself going through a tunnel of swirling colors. It was all very similar to the launching effect of dmt.

Unfortunately my active mind took over going "holy shit! What's happening?!" Knocking myself right out of it. Havent had much of a chance to retry it so cant report the further effects.
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One of many great methods to achieve that state. I would presume that was one of your first/early tries? The buzzing feeling is very common, from what I've seen. One basically has to trick the body into shutting down for the night without their consciousness (seemingly) going along with it.

It's very, very easy to jolt one's self right back in with the barest hint of an excited revelation afterward. If you could pull it off so well, I bet you could do it regularly with even a little practice.

Exciting!
 
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Too kind, @Fek
What senses do we lack that we cannot see or feel another world all around us?
The scientific method is a wonderful tool, but it’s not the be all and end all of human experience. The writers I enjoy most talking about such medical related things are people like Oliver sacks, who retains a very human perspective on his patients and considers their emotional side - he wrote a fantastic book on migraine, and he goes into detail about organic causes but also emotional ones. Fascinating stuff, and shows the two are not black and white. We lose a lot if we can’t look at experience and wisdom of others through the ages.
All our knowledge and we cannot explain consciousness, or love, or thought. Perhaps the true grand unified theory stuff will be one that encompasses this
Jimjamflimflam said:
go to bed for around 4 hours
2) wake up and do something for an hour.
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This is interesting. You know I read once that people apparently used to have a more biphasic sleep pattern? They’d sleep, wake up for an hour or two and do stuff that was chill and then go back to sleep. It makes you wonder how people’s experiences of sleep was different. I find myself going to bed early as I can, then awake 1-2 am no matter what. I will try the rope thing
Also waking up and doing something low intensity then going back to bed is how you deal with kids having nightmares/terrors at regular times.
 
Fek said:
One of many great methods to achieve that state. I would presume that was one of your first/early tries? The buzzing feeling is very common,
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Naturally approached, yeah. I played around with lsd, and mushrooms and dmt before but just enough time to count on one hand. Would much rather go about it naturally then with "aids". Will say this way felt much different in my opinion, felt more real then using psychoactive chemicals.

Hermetic principal "The law of vibration" states that all is in vibration and we achieve higher planes through increasing our vibration (I'm vibing yo!). I personally believe this is exactly the state of being they are referring to.


Otterly said:
This is interesting. You know I read once that people apparently used to have a more biphasic sleep pattern? They’d sleep, wake up for an hour or two and do stuff that was chill and then go back to sleep. It makes you wonder how people’s experiences of sleep was different. I find myself going to bed early as I can, then awake 1-2 am no matter what. I will try the rope thing
Also waking up and doing something low intensity then going back to bed is how you deal with kids having nightmares/terrors at regular times.
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Much agreed. Had similar thoughts when my kids were born and I was on night time aid patrol. Noticed an increase in dreams as my sleeping pattern was being broken up in two.

Can't find the exact product but I take a B12 supplement from nature's grocer. Specifically a chewable that I let dissolve in my mouth (under tongue or in cheek) that lead to an increase in dreaming activity. My guess since it's an energy vitamin it's causing myself to be more in the dream phase then full deep sleep phase but that's just all conjectures on my part.
 
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Otterly said:
Yeah I agree - I think personally that we have something like a soul and I am a scientist.
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Sorry double post but this was exactly the mindset the old ones had. I approach it the same (though I don't have any fancy degrees of sciencing).

Astrology = astronomy
Alchemy = chemistry
Etc

All the old esoteric occult works saw it not as "magic" as we think now but a "scientific" way of understanding the meta and God. They used essentially the scientific method to break down how and why through experimentation and observation.

I can't place exactly where we divorced "occult" thinking and science in the modern sense but one quote that always stuck with me was that Issac Newton wasn't the first scientist but of the last magicians.

Edit: I work in cybersecurity with a background in electrical engineering and when you tilt your head and squint your eyes the field is ripe with "metaphysical/occult" thinking.

When you grasp the concept that the map is not the territory its amazing how easily one can slip into the wonderful abstract world of what most see as the mundane
 
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Otterly said:
All our knowledge and we cannot explain consciousness, or love, or thought.
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And I do not believe these things really can be properly explained in a satisfactory way in the realm of the physical, let's say.

And to add something relevant(?) to the thread topic..technically:

I've quite recently had the pleasure of experiencing the "Fek behind Fek", so to speak. If you were to imagine being capable of pulling away from all of waking physical life as though you were pulling a tablet away from your face? It'd be a crude terribly lacking metaphor for the experience. The "I" of who I am persists in ways far beyond what is seen without. A purely blissful experience far more real than any I've had in waking life.​
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Granted, it's not ghosts or spooky things. I'd say it qualifies as "paranormal" all the same, no?​

There is no book or lecture or philosophy or panel of experts that can compare to lived experience. Helping one another achieve their own moments of inner revelation will, I'm quite sure, one day replace what is considered "scientific mainstream" with something far more simple and profound: the truth. There will always be room for experimentation and curiosity - just not for authoritative nonsense.
Jimjamflimflam said:
"occult" thinking
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People have been taught for a long time (particularly in Christendom) that "occult" is a dirty word to be feared and reviled. Would that they understood the utterings of dark sayings of old.
 
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