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Ars Technica: Congress extends ISS and tells NASA to get moving on private space stations (archive)
Cruz and other senators on the committee appear to share those concerns, as their legislation extends the International Space Station’s lifespan from 2030 to 2032 (an extension must still be approved by international partners, including Russia). Moreover, the authorization bill states, “The Administrator shall not initiate the de-orbit of the ISS until the date on which a commercial low-Earth orbit destination has reached an initial operational capability.”

I think deorbit was previously planned for 2031. If that's kicked to 2033 or later, maybe there's enough time to come up with a plan to land instead of burn modules.
 
I think deorbit was previously planned for 2031. If that's kicked to 2033 or later, maybe there's enough time to come up with a plan to land instead of burn modules.
The problem with this is that Congress is just throwing money together and expecting the ISS to last. The main issue with the ISS right now is the structure of the station and how old it is. The first modules went up in the 90s, and have had a lot of structural strain placed upon the station. It's old, it's expensive to keep functional. More time will be spent on maintenance onboard of the Station. Now, there is increased crewed capability with Commerical Crew bringing up the crew from 6 to 7 (and possibly 8, if Starliner was used in a 5 crew configuration but NASA would ). With Russia's Orel capsule launching in possibly 2 years time it could also help boost the station crew capability which could help with maintenace. But, Russia has already planned to move towards semi-crewed space station develop with the Russian Orbital Services Station. But, keeping the ISS would give them maybe more development time.

Nonetheless, the ISS is basically at the peak of what it can be used for.

But hey, at least Boeing would get a couple extra years to get Starliner going (lol). Of course, it could only have like 5 crewed flights (max) because of Atlas-V production stopped. - Unless they buy the planned Atlas-V flights from Amazon Kuiper.
 
They can spend another $4-8 billion to kick the can down the road by 2 years. That law makes it sound like it could be kept up much longer if no commercial stations are launched on time, but it just says "don't de-orbit", not "don't abandon". If it actually becomes infeasible to operate the ISS, NASA will be able to wiggle out of it.

But hey, at least Boeing would get a couple extra years to get Starliner going (lol). Of course, it could only have like 5 crewed flights (max) because of Atlas-V production stopped. - Unless they buy the planned Atlas-V flights from Amazon Kuiper.
I forgot how the ISS's impending demise was the limit on Starliner flights. Yay, Boeing, we are going!
 
I forgot how the ISS's impending demise was the limit on Starliner flights. Yay, Boeing, we are going!
The sad part is of course, if they are launched that means there won't be any Atlas Vs left to put in the rocket garden. Which is a shame, because an Atlas V absolute belongs there. Especially because no Delta IVs went. This being because Atlas is literally the end of the Atlas program. You know, that one ICBM which launched a shit ton of America's orbital shit? Including the first Americans into orbit?
 
The sad part is of course, if they are launched that means there won't be any Atlas Vs left to put in the rocket garden. Which is a shame, because an Atlas V absolute belongs there. Especially because no Delta IVs went. This being because Atlas is literally the end of the Atlas program. You know, that one ICBM which launched a shit ton of America's orbital shit? Including the first Americans into orbit?
Double posting, I know. But the purpose of this double post is purely space flight history Austism regarding Energia and everything that came about because of it.

The Atlas V is special because of the Russian engines it uses. Those being derived from the RD-170.

The RD-170 in question:

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These were the engines used for the Energia rocket, the rocket used for Polyus and the Soviet Space Shuttle.

Now, the RD-170s never got the career they deserved because of the collapse of the Soviet Union. This being because the Soviet launch vehicles involved in the Energia program being from a multitude of different states. Maybe if we are to go full NAFO and go "well, Ruskies shouldn't have been as massive dicks as @Ghostse would be eager to state, then it is entirely possible that Energia-Buran . Indeed, I am of the opinion . And that the current war is a post colonial conflict (at least over the territory that use to be held by the Crimean khanate, I do believe both sides of that conflict are glad it is no longer Turkic bc #AllMenAgainstErdogan or something like that) Now that I have clarified this point, we can continue hopefully outside of the scope of useless politisperging.

The Energia program is fascinating, because it was meant to revolutionize Soviet launch vehicles. It would have replaced the likes of the Proton with the Energia-M. A smaller version of the Energia rocket. Energia-M was to be the heavy lift rocket, which would have been used in say Space Station construction. This is a photo of a mock up of it undergoing launch pad integration:

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And this is a photo of the sad mockup remaining in a launch bay in Kazakhstan. Not to be seen to the public, and is instead left to rot. People who took that pic snuck in. Which is pretty common with all things Buran and Energia.

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There is actually quite a lot of the Energia Buran which has been left in a similar state. I could bring up the other Buran orbiters (the only orbiter to fly, that of the prototype orbiter having been destroyed when its hanger was collapsed in 2003 because of neglect from either Russia and/or Kazakhstan neglect, when it really should have been in a museum. Which as someone who was born in 2004 is quite saddening. 2003 saw the end of two shuttles.

Energia itself would have replaced all of the Soviet launch vehicles

Zenit did end up flying under Ukraine, where the booster were produced. A lot of the Soviet aerospace ambitions were integrated with Ukraine. Most of the major designers from Korolev to Glushko came from Ukraine. This is part of the reason why Ukraine had such a strong rocket industry following the end of the Soviet Union. They produced SRB stages for Zenit, they produced the rocket engines for Angara.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia chose to begin the Angara program. This was to be an inhouse program. Now, Anagara has flown, it is active as a launch system. But it has only begun to really fly. It had close to a 10 year gap between its first flights to test the launch system. Thankfully for all, Proton is about to be retired (though Protons definitely belong in museums. That launch vehicle was phenomenal and was on the verge of sending Soviet crews around the moon with the Zond program)

For us space autists, Energia is perhaps the biggest tragedy. It was to be the vehicle that would have ignited the next stage of Soviet space endeavours. Not just with the Energia launch vehicle that could launch 100 tons into orbit. - More than SLS block 1 (and maybe even the next stage of SLS with Centaur V)

Granted, if the Soviet Union remained in the current climate they would have used Energia to have landed on the Moon. Which, they would have had all the necessary rockets, infrastructure to have beaten America back to the moon with Constellation. All of this, would have been fascinating for the stuff that would have came after.

[But as a very strong supporter of European integration it would have been great if all of Europe, including Russia as an equal member would have been willing to collaborate with space stuff. Such normative, idealistic views cannot exist in the real world]

Atlas-V came about following the Soviet Union's collapse and the Soviets having the better engines. Hence, why the RD-170 was chosen as a blueprint and refined into the RD-180. Used for both the Atlas IIIs and Atlas-Vs.

There really should have been a version of the Antares put in a museum, with the Russian engines. Why? It's the legacy of the Taurus program, it is the legacy of the N-1. Ultimately, it would be the hallmark of the liberal hopes for the world order. It would be the coming together of multiple different perspectives.

And it is the Atlas-V which sees the end of all of these programs. It is not just the end of Atlas, but of Energia. It is the end of multiple different programs. Hell, one of the Starliner Crew vehicles should be included in such a museum piece. Why? Well, Starliner represents the last capsule to fly on Atlas - when the first American orbital capsule was to fly on Atlas. It would be perfect symmetry.
 
>gateway cancelled
gay
i wonder how much was wasted on that to replace it with a moon base (that will probably also be cancelled)
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Best case scenario is we spend billions doing fuck all, we land on the moon once and have a whole celebration, then its all cancelled when Trump (assuming this all happens during his term) notices this will not sway people to like him. I am so cynical when it comes to cool space shit. We should just lock in a budget and let NASA yolo crazy shit
 
>gateway cancelled
gay
i wonder how much was wasted on that to replace it with a moon base (that will probably also be cancelled)
About $1.1B for the two modules ordered so far according to Wikipedia, but that doesn't include the early development studies (that is, paying a bunch of companies to develop competing proposals).

Some nerd on YouTube said the existing hardware will be repurposed for Space Reactor-1 Freedom which makes sense, space guys love repurposing stuff.

This may be the first time we've had an actual space nerd running NASA since the '70s and it really shows. Plenty of good steely-eyed men in the Agency, but the top dog has always been a penny-pinching bureaucrat and/or political stooge.
 
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About $1.1B for the two modules ordered so far according to Wikipedia, but that doesn't include the early development studies (that is, paying a bunch of companies to develop competing proposals).

Some nerd on YouTube said the existing hardware will be repurposed for Space Reactor-1 Freedom which makes sense, space guys love repurposing stuff.

This may be the first time we've had an actual space nerd running NASA since the '70s and it really shows. Plenty of good steely-eyed men in the Agency, but the top dog has always been a penny-pinching bureaucrat and/or political stooge.
Don't forget that a non-insignificant part of the budget is in fact non-recoverable. That being the promotional materials, advertisements, PR campaigns, administrative costs and other general waste. The space program has had a planning issue since 1973 that just keeps getting worse and worse.
 
About $1.1B for the two modules ordered so far according to Wikipedia, but that doesn't include the early development studies (that is, paying a bunch of companies to develop competing proposals).
And a lot of that hardware had been reused. The Power and Propulsion module came from the Asteroid Redirect Mission (also cancelled), with the HALO module being basically an enlarged Cygnus. It will all probably be reused for some Mars venture.
 
April 1 not looking good for launch day. Going to be heavy clouds. But they should clear up by April 3, which looks tk be completely clear and warm. No word on if NASA intends to push the Artemis II launch back yet though
 
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