Thoughts about DSP's Psychology - Dr Fred Freud's Office

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I try not to indulge too much into these types of videos because it's clearly obvious that he's a narcissist
The vast majority of people diagnosed with a personality disorder also have at least one additional comorbid condition, so it's always fun to speculate on what else he might have in addition to the very obvious Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
 
I really only figured this with the Wings DTRH race but Phil doesn't understand friendships or interactions at all. I should have known this earlier considering he is a hermit but he has no idea how friends interact.

Everything is transactional to him, everything must make money for him, if it doesn't it isn't worth his time. He doesn't understand how people fall into cults, he doesn't get that the PKA crew was trying to help wings and make it entertaining as well. He doesn't understand Wings fucked them over. I seriously doubt he ever understood how relationships work between people.

He rarely hung out with John and Howard if they weren't filming a video together, be barely communicates with his parents because he is too busy, and he used that exact same excuse to justify never calling either of his "friends" in seven years.

To even be on Phil's radar you must be doing something that will make him money. I'm sure the only time he reads his dads emails or calls his mom is when he needs some cash for an emergency. He doesn't even think John and Howard were upset he was cheating them out of their cut for putting their free time into his shit before some anonymous moronic troll friends of theirs planted the seeds of discord in their minds, and blamed them for talking about it.

It's textbook abusive relationship alarms when someone gets angry at you for disclosing details like that, even years after it happened.

But no, its not his fault he pushed his friends away, its asshole trolls and morons who wanted drama who did it.
 
The vast majority of people diagnosed with a personality disorder also have at least one additional comorbid condition, so it's always fun to speculate on what else he might have in addition to the very obvious Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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(On a more serious note, Phil's lack of executive function, and especially his impulsivity, makes me think ADD.)
 
I know people call Phil an autist but are autistic traits part of a deteriorating mind in relation to his lack of socialisation? His scheduling and refusing to change are a control thing so that would suggest he feels he has little power outside of this (?). I'm just not a fan of how autism is thrown around since it muddies the definition.
 
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(On a more serious note, Phil's lack of executive function, and especially his impulsivity, makes me think ADD.)
He's shown an ability to stay focused on tasks he finds mind-numbingly boring (but he loves his job d00d!) so I doubt it's attention deficit disorder per se. Getting lost and confused in certain games is probably better explained by low intelligence and cognitive rigidity than anything else. Impulsivity, on the other hand, is a hallmark characteristic of narcissism, and of the Dark Triad more generally. It is strongly correlated with neuroticism, which in turn has very strong links to anxiety disorders.

Concerning Phil and the Dark Triad: I see someone with strong Machiavellian (manipulating people, planning) tendencies coupled with obvious narcissism, but lower levels of Factor 1 psychopathy. True psychopaths are incredibly goal-oriented, tend to be thrill-seekers, tend to be vain and promiscuous (using sex as a tool to manipulate people) and are often very extroverted. They also don't express anxiety in the same way normal people do - their affect when frightened remains flat. Seeing as you can read Phil like a fucking book when he's been caught in a lie, he probably wouldn't register any of the typical brain abnormalities associated with primary psychopathy on an MRI. That said, the second factor (Factor 2) of psychopathy in the two-factor model is often seen as a byproduct of other disorders rather than the result of difference in brain regions like with primary psychopathy. It includes traits like impulsivity, being easily bored, lacking long-term goals, being irresponsible, going into fits of rage, etc. Factor 2 psychopathy lines up fairly well with what we see in Phil, but I would still rate the overall prevalence of psychopathic traits as low, with a tendency to be elevated at times.

With the Five-Factor Personality Model, Phil appears to be low in agreeableness, high in neuroticism, low in openness to experience, and low in extroversion. Conscientiousness is tricky because his autistic scheduling, obsessive guide-reading and general persistence reveals a conscious attempt to increase conscientiousness, but I think this is a rather restricted, pragmatic adaptation specific to his "business", and doesn't reflect an overall trend towards low conscientiousness as a personality trait.

Overall I think his autistic scheduling, his need to finish games even if they're doing poorly (cognitive rigidity), his neuroticism and impulsive tendencies, and potential "behind the scenes" anxiety all point to him potentially having Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). This is a condition characterized by intrusive thoughts leading to a conflict which then needs to be resolved in some manner. For example, a hand-washing OCD sufferer frequently thinks that their hands could be dirty, and this spawns a conflict (do I have dirty hands?) which must be resolved by washing their hands; the idea of being unclean completely dominates their mental landscape and causes immense stress until the thought can be dispelled.

There are different manifestations of OCD, some of which can be entirely mental: conflicts spawned in the mind, and resolved within the mind through -potentially- hours of self-debate and cognitive distortions. I think if Phil has OCD, he likely suffers from intrusive thoughts related to things his detractors say about him, his current reckless spending, his past mistakes, his self-worth, etc. I think it's very likely he sits on his couch for hours marinating in some sort of mental copium, aided by gin. His avoidance coping (the way he shuts himself off from the world) is reflective of a desire to avoid being forced to ruminate for hours. He doesn't want to have to debate with himself how he's a "changed man" and yet he does so almost every day on his prestream. These daily "changed man" speeches are part of the compulsive aspect of his OCD. He is compelled to remind himself and his audience of why he did nothing wrong, every single day.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) is a strong runner-up. The only meaningful difference between OCD and GAD in Phil's context is whether or not the intrusive thoughts simply cause stress, or actually force him to argue with himself and seek reassurance. I would argue his repetitive speeches and constant cognitive distortions point more towards OCD, because he's actively attempting to do something about the ruminations, and that something is the same thing, every day, usually for at least an hour.


TL;DR: his schedule tism, daily rants about the same personal issues and 4:00 AM gin tweeting suggest OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) but GAD is a possible differential.
 
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The vast majority of people diagnosed with a personality disorder also have at least one additional comorbid condition, so it's always fun to speculate on what else he might have in addition to the very obvious Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Or it could be autism. Autists have poor to no theory of mind, difficulty making or maintaining social relationships, and are unusually sensitive to any criticism even if it's mild and constructive. With good treatment this can be mitigated, without it (this probably applies to the Pig) autists can and do end up believing they're misunderstood geniuses and everybody else is an idiot for not getting them because they don't understand they're the weirdo. Phil fits this well, he takes weird pride in things that are either unremarkable (camcorder LPs) or embarrassing ('tism sauce), has no friends, and holds grudges forever (after that react I'm sure part of him wants Howard dead). I don't know if psychiatrists would label this as "narcissism due to autism" or "autism that just looks a lot like narcissism" but it's in that family.

I know people call Phil an autist but are autistic traits part of a deteriorating mind in relation to his lack of socialisation? His scheduling and refusing to change are a control thing so that would suggest he feels he has little power outside of this (?). I'm just not a fan of how autism is thrown around since it muddies the definition.
Some of his autistic traits predate his becoming a hermit: The extreme fixation on routine ("designated day off" was a thing in Connecticut even if he didn't make as big of a deal, he once refused to stock up before a blizzard because he didn't want to go shopping on a streaming day), sensitivity to criticism, and poor theory of mind were all there from his behavior in the FGC.

If we're going to limit ourselves to Cluster B then my exhaustive analysis is in the spoiler:
For each Cluster B disorder I will list all the criteria from Wikipedia. The criteria Phil displays are in bold while the ones which are debatable will be in italics. The DSM-V (standard reference for American psychologists) was used where possible.

Antisocial personality disorder:
  • Failure to conform to social norms and laws, indicated by repeatedly doing illegal activities.
  • Deceitfulness, indicated by continuously lying, using aliases, or conning others for personal gain and pleasure.
  • Exhibiting impulsivity or failing to plan ahead.
  • Irritability and aggressiveness, indicated by repeatedly getting into fights or physically assaulting others.
  • Reckless behaviors that disregard the safety of others.
  • Irresponsibility, indicated by repeatedly failing to consistently work or honor financial obligations.
  • Lack of remorse after hurting or mistreating another person.
The "irresponsibility" one is debatable since we have no proof of Phil being sued or having utilities cut off pre-begruptcy but he did everything humanly possible to minimize his payments (card kiting and IRS payment plans for starters) and may have had late payment or overdraft fees. So we have 4, maybe 5 boxes ticked compared to a minimum of 3 to make a diagnosis.

Borderline personality disorder:
main criteria:
  • a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affect,
  • as well as markedly impulsive behavior.
It's debatable but I do not consider the WWE champions spending "markedly impulsive" anymore because he has demonstrated enough self-restraint to not end up in foreclosure or collections. If I understand the page correctly this means Phil cannot have BPD by definition.

Histrionic personality disorder

  • often fail to see their own personal situation realistically, instead dramatizing and exaggerating their difficulties
  • They may go through frequent job changes, as they become easily bored and may prefer withdrawing from frustration (instead of facing it)

I know Phil has been streaming/begging for 11 years but he has gone through several attempted rebrands/changes to his streaming style. To pick two obvious examples, he's not nearly as much of an edgelord or self proclaimed elite gamer (outside of fighting games) anymore.

Additional characteristics may include:

  • Exhibitionist behavior
  • Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
  • Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
  • Pride of own personality and unwillingness to change, viewing any change as a threat
  • Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior of a sexual nature :coom:
  • Using factitious somatic symptoms (of physical illness) or psychological disorders to garner attention
  • Craving attention
  • Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification
  • Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
  • Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
  • Making rash decisions
  • Blaming personal failures or disappointments on others
  • Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
  • Being overly dramatic and emotional
  • Influenced by the suggestions of others
So a bunch of "yes" answers and most of the rest are "maybe", rather than "no". I'm a fan of this theory.
 
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Or it could be autism. Autists have poor to no theory of mind, difficulty making or maintaining social relationships, and are unusually sensitive to any criticism even if it's mild and constructive. With good treatment this can be mitigated, without it (this probably applies to the Pig) autists can and do end up believing they're misunderstood geniuses and everybody else is an idiot for not getting them because they don't understand they're the weirdo. Phil fits this well, he takes weird pride in things that are either unremarkable (camcorder LPs) or embarrassing ('tism sauce), has no friends, and holds grudges forever (after that react I'm sure part of him wants Howard dead). I don't know if psychiatrists would label this as "narcissism due to autism" or "autism that just looks a lot like narcissism" but it's in that family.
This is dumb, really, really dumb. Every schizophreniform disorder displays theory of mind deficits. NPD and Antisocial Personality Disorder sufferers also exhibit deficits in cognitive empathy. The inability to "put yourself in someone else's shoes" is not unique to autism, and the underlying etiology is distinct in people on the spectrum vs. regular old assholes. In regular folks it's often due to lapses in reality testing, which is the ability to accurately assess what's happening around you. With autistic people, it is not a distortion of reality but rather missed cues that never end up being processed by the mind. There is no information for them to interpret, whereas in normal people with social difficulties the information is often misinterpreted because they have preconceptions about the world that they cling rigidly to. A paranoid schizotypcal person might interpret every smile as an attempt to lure them into a false sense of security, for example.

He is not "autistic with a touch of narcissism". People need to stop conflating anyone who has social deficits with autism just because they can loosely connect the symptoms. He's shown an ability to crudely manipulate others, is emotionally expressive, has had friendships in the past, somehow had two romantic partners, doesn't stim uncontrollably (the face rubs when he's doing his daily fap don't count), has no sensory processing issues that we're aware of (he doesn't melt down when he hears certain noises, tastes certain things or sees a bright light). He's been willing to drive to unfamiliar places, hang out in large crowds of people, engage in back-and-forth conversations and smalltalk. He demonstrates good eye contact and uses a lot of gestures in his body language.

Repeat it with me: He. Is. Not. Autistic.

Autism is literally the Multiple Sclerosis of the mental health field.
 
He's way too malicious to be autistic. He's just a really dumb narcissist. Can sociopath's be dumb? I always understood them as smart. He is very sly, cunning and evil. This is why he doesn't like detractors because we know he's lying. But to the wheelchairs or someone unfamiliar with him they might fall for his tricks.
 
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He's way too malicious to be autistic. He's just a really dumb narcissist. Can sociopath's be dumb? I always understood them as smart. He is very sly, cunning and evil. This is why he doesn't like detractors because we know he's lying. But to the wheelchairs or someone unfamiliar with him they might fall for his tricks.
There's no correlation between sociopathy and intelligence. Phil is not some 200 IQ master manipulator. He's a very bad con artist being propped up by trolls and mentally disabled people.
 
Can sociopath's be dumb? I always understood them as smart.
Most sociopaths are average in IQ since sociopathy doesn't correlate with IQ nor is there a negative correlation like @capefear56 said.
Our society (which we live in) makes us believe that the average sociopath is some shrewd, cold and calculating businessman or politician, when actually the average sociopath is a career criminal who is in prison more often than not.
 
Most sociopaths are average in IQ since sociopathy doesn't correlate with IQ nor is there a negative correlation like @capefear56 said.
Our society (which we live in) makes us believe that the average sociopath is some shrewd, cold and calculating businessman or politician, when actually the average sociopath is a career criminal who is in prison more often than not.

Much like the supposed cold calculating intelligence of narcissists, they seem to be smart enough to control everyone around them and look as unsuspicious as possible, like some socially criminal masterminds. When in fact they just spend almost every second of their life thinking about those three specific aspects and nothing else: themselfs, themselfs, themselfs. Of course someone accels more or less competently in a specific field if they think really really long and hard about this very specific thing, and then the smartness stops.

And as you can see with DSP, if you watch them long enough the mask slips and they look just as incompetent and average as anyone. And tbh Phil is certainly at the lower scale of the convincing bunch. He uses big words and lacks any set of skill, quite literally he can't do anything.
 
Are we really arguing whether a guy that rocks back and forth uncontrollably, married a woman even more clearly on the spectrum, has the mind of a 12 year old boy and took "rainy day fund" completely literally has autism? He is so painfully autistic it hurts.

At the end of the day though Phil is a bad person because of his upbringing and own ego not because of his autism. The vast majority of autists are not like Phil he is the outlier.
 
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Something in the main thread reminded me of this thought I had about how Phil sees woman. From what I can tell he sees a woman as sexulised and nothing else, this is what causes the disgust because he can't just see a woman or a person even. I think his obvious growing hate towards anime is due to a similar feeling.

I think Kat only gets away with the lack of disgust due to Phil seeing her (due to his many Freudians) as a mother replacement.

He seems to think that female characters in games are purely there for sexual gratification of the viewer rather than having significance outside of that thus his annoyance.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious with the above, but what causes someone to think like this?
 
Maybe I'm stating the obvious with the above, but what causes someone to think like this?
Too much TV and too little interaction with women IRL. Phil's attitude towards women lines up pretty well with any number of sitcoms/videogames - the men do all the hard work while the women are there to support them and look pretty.

This could explain his very odd attitude towards Kat too, he keeps her mostly in the dark about his finances because Serious Adult Responsibilities are for men and women shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it. Needless to say an intelligent, self respecting woman would find this extremely offensive and you will notice none of the women in the Pig's life meet that description.
 
He is not "autistic with a touch of narcissism". People need to stop conflating anyone who has social deficits with autism just because they can loosely connect the symptoms. He's shown an ability to crudely manipulate others, is emotionally expressive, has had friendships in the past, somehow had two romantic partners, doesn't stim uncontrollably (the face rubs when he's doing his daily fap don't count), has no sensory processing issues that we're aware of (he doesn't melt down when he hears certain noises, tastes certain things or sees a bright light). He's been willing to drive to unfamiliar places, hang out in large crowds of people, engage in back-and-forth conversations and smalltalk. He demonstrates good eye contact and uses a lot of gestures in his body language.

Your armchair psychology is fucking awful. For someone devoting so much time to these weird faux psycho-babble walls of texts, you seem to struggle with very rigid ideas of what autism in an individual looks like. Not all autistic people are Chris-chan on an eternal love-quest going sonic defence-mode at bronycons.
 
Your armchair psychology is fucking awful. For someone devoting so much time to these weird faux psycho-babble walls of texts, you seem to struggle with very rigid ideas of what autism in an individual looks like. Not all autistic people are Chris-chan on an eternal love-quest going sonic defence-mode at bronycons.
Oh cool you finally grew some balls and decided to write something incredibly stupid I can respond to.

If you had actually read my "psycho-babble wall of text" you would note that I was markedly flexible in my analysis of Phil's behavior and mannerisms, so as to not jump the gun and assume it must be autism:
The inability to "put yourself in someone else's shoes" is not unique to autism, and the underlying etiology is distinct in people on the spectrum vs. regular old assholes.
You're literally calling me "rigid" for not not being loose with the diagnostic criteria for autism and taking a nuanced approach to analyzing Phil's behaviors in light of confounding factors like his narcissism and social isolation.

The entire reason for my post was to point out that not everything is autism even if it looks strange, and that there is a clear cut list of criteria one needs to fulfill in order to qualify for a diagnosis. Now if you'd like to debate whether Phil meets either the DSM-V or ICD-10 diagnostic criteria for autism just based on what we can observe, I'd be happy to show you how much of a fucking idiot you are, but coming into a thread with a topic titled: "Thoughts about DSP's Psychology - Dr Fred Freud's Office" and getting pissy and calling me an armchair psychologist because you don't like what I have to say is asinine.
 
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You're literally calling me "rigid" for not not being loose with the diagnostic criteria for autism

I'm glad you caught the irony in that one too, wasn't sure if I might need to point it out.

Now if you'd like to debate whether Phil meets either the DSM-IV or ICD-10 diagnostic criteria for autism

Nah, I'm good, having a debate when you're using legacy versions of those diagnostic classification systems feels a bit like tripping over a blind kid, y'know?
 
I'm glad you caught the irony in that one too, wasn't sure if I might need to point it out.



Nah, I'm good, having a debate when you're using legacy versions of those diagnostic classification systems feels a bit like tripping over a blind kid, y'know?
Awww don't worry I would run away too if I had to pretend to catch my own illogical statements after someone points them out.

You left out what follows:
You're literally calling me "rigid" for not not being loose with the diagnostic criteria for autism and taking a nuanced approach to analyzing Phil's behaviors in light of confounding factors like his narcissism and social isolation.

You can pick and choose your autism traits just like you (cherry)pick and choose my quotes.
 
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