‘Traditional TV is dying’: can networks pivot and survive?

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Warner Bros Discovery’s announcement this week of a $9bn (£7bn) writedown in the value of its TV networks is a stark acknowledgment of the damage the streaming wars are inflicting on traditional broadcasting models.

The astonishing figure, which pushed the US entertainment group to a quarterly net loss of $10bn (£7.9bn) and sent shares sliding 12% in early trading on Thursday, lays bare how channels such as CNN, TLC and the Food Network can no longer rely on a captive cable subscriber base.

The rapid consumer shift away from high-priced TV packages, coupled with the inexorable decline in advertising, has forced traditional TV companies to invest billions in low-cost streaming services to catch up with first movers such as Netflix.

The question is now whether companies such as WBD – home to TV and film content including Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Big Bang Theory, Succession, Friends and all Olympics events – can build the scale and make significant profits from their streaming operations before the death of linear television delivered by cable, satellite or aerial.

“Traditional TV is dying, or at least in zombie mode,” says Alex Degroote, a media analyst. “It is being replaced by a combination of services such as short-form video players like YouTube and TikTok, and the top streamers such as Netflix. WBD’s $9bn impairment is a real hammer blow and will reverberate across all traditional media assets.”

The market value of WBD, home to assets including the Warner Bros film studio, HBO and CNN, has plunged almost 70% in the two years since the group was formed in a $40bn (£31.5bn) merger between WarnerMedia and Discovery intended to help both businesses survive the transition to a streaming future.

“Unfortunately, the stock performance is a clear indication that investors see little optimism that the tides may soon start to turn,” says Robert Fishman, senior analyst at MoffettNathanson.

Earlier this week, Disney disclosed that its streaming operations – which include the global Disney+ service, Hulu and ESPN+ in the US and Hotstar in India – achieved profitability for the first time in the quarter to the end of June.

However, the milestone of $447m (£352m) in operating profit, which was above management projections, has come at a huge cost, with its streaming services running up $11bn (£9.2bn) in losses since Disney+ was launched in 2019.

Disney has more than 200 million global streaming subscribers, and WBD exceeds 100 million globally, with Discovery+ now the fastest-growing service in the UK thanks to winning the rights to show every Olympic discipline. But the battle is not just to continue to drive scale.

Boosting revenue and profits per subscriber has become critical through strategies including rapid rounds of price increases – Disney has just announced a set of price rises for later this year – as well as driving slightly cheaper ad-funded tiers to pull in cost-conscious consumers.

While traditional TV companies struggle with managing the decline in their legacy businesses, with drastic rounds of cost-cutting after a decade of profligate spending on content in the first decade of the streaming wars, Netflix points to a viable future.

The streaming giant, which once struggled with mounting losses running into tens of billions of dollars, has seen its market value surge by more than 50% over the past year after turning the profitability corner while continuing to see significant growth in subscribers.

WBD’s chief executive, David Zaslav, who has considered breaking up the company but concluded that is not currently the best option, said the market was being hit by a “generational disruption” that requires traditional TV companies to take “bold, necessary steps”.

Richard Broughton, director at Ampere Analysis, said: “Legacy TV businesses are in decline but the shift is not so rapid that it can’t be managed. There are still a lot of broadcast TV viewers, they have the time to pivot to profitability in the streaming world.”

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Even if by some miracle traditional TV studios decided to make quality stuff like Breaking Bad or Sopranos again, people will still hate the format and the inconvenience of watching it on a TV and waiting for the right time, switching between channels when ads play. They genuinely prefer to wait and watch it on a streaming service. Even my old parents, as normie as can be, prefer to watch through Hotstar or Prime on their phones instead of watching shows on the TV.

The only value of traditional TV for me is maybe in nostalgia. IIRC there are popular live streams of toonami programming on youtube with ads included. Sometimes when I can't sleep, I turn on History channel at 1 AM because it reminds me of how I used to watch Ice Road Truckers and Pawn Stars as a kid on it. But it's only the memory of that experience where the value is, as soon as you do it regularly, you realize how much better the streaming experience is.
 
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I originally thought you put the date here as a trick because I was certain this article must be at least a decade old if it's concerned about the impending death of tv. Like you took a new screenshot of a ten year old article to screw with us or something. Tv died fucking ages ago, but I guess the guardian has been too busy lying about minorities and demanding people suck girl dick to pay attention to anything else.
 
I do kind of miss being able to just turn on TV and channel flip. Going through a streaming service menu or my Youtube subs just isn't the same. But as pointed out by most of the thread, the programming is all dogshit nowadays so there'd be nothing to watch anyway. I cancelled my Netflix years ago.
 
In the fall, Fox has, a mystery drama about some murders in a small town, a Baywatch knockoff, another procedural cop show, another procedural cop-like show, reality TV shows, then a couple cartoons on Sunday.


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TV is dying because there is fuck all to watch and the celebrity driven shit like Masked Singer. I tried looking up some 'celebrities' on there and it's people like Janel Parrish, Macy Gray, John Oates, and so on. I have no idea who these people are as you'd either have to be a geriatric or zoomer obsessed with pop music or teen shows to know them.


They could probably get better ratings just showing reruns of Dragonball Z. The networks seem entirely disinterested in trying anything the least bit different and the general audiences aren't much better. Most people want to watch the same old shit over and over with slightly different variations which ends up boring a ton of people.
 

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So you slow-boil your way into the current culture war, wage endless price increases, homogenize interesting concepts into the same boring shit (every cable network is like this), and either bullshit no one's heard of or shows that should've been put out to pasture a decade ago.

It's like newspapers, AAA video games, and retail stores—they light themselves on fire for the benefit of a few (((shareholders))) and then wonder why no one wants to deal with them anymore.
 
TV is dying because there is fuck all to watch and the celebrity driven shit like Masked Singer. I tried looking up some 'celebrities' on there and it's people like Janel Parrish, Macy Gray, John Oates, and so on. I have no idea who these people are as you'd either have to be a geriatric or zoomer obsessed with pop music or teen shows to know them.
TV died for me totally when A&E took LivePD off the air after St Floyd suicided. They built their entire network around it and 1 other show and dumped it instantly, for no reason. They dropped Cops for awhile too.

LivePD was the last thing keeping me on my Tivo with a Cablecard. Old DVRs like Tivo were pretty nice, they had very good AI for picking shows you'd want, but they nerfed that to hell towards the end too. Being able to skip ads with early Tivos was an amazing experience.
 
TV died for me totally when A&E took LivePD off the air after St Floyd suicided. They built their entire network around it and 1 other show and dumped it instantly, for no reason. They dropped Cops for awhile too.

LivePD was the last thing keeping me on my Tivo with a Cablecard. Old DVRs like Tivo were pretty nice, they had very good AI for picking shows you'd want, but they nerfed that to hell towards the end too. Being able to skip ads with early Tivos was an amazing experience.
TiVo was great because it skipped ads and created a way higher-quality recording than what VCRs were able to produce at the time (plus VCRs varied a lot, the quality of tape, the quality of the system, and so forth—a fresh movie tape was good stuff, a tape that had been re-recorded a few times since 1991 not so much).

It blows my mind that basically 2003-2015 was the golden age for actually keeping media—a time when you could BUY whole seasons of a TV show to keep. You couldn't that do that before, and increasingly, can't do it now.
 
I would watch the fuck out of a channel that's nothing but classic anime.
I imagine a lot of people would!

And I imagine it's because it isn't held back by so much of the bullshit that holds back network TV. They'll have hot characters, they'll have action, they'll have unique scifi stories, and so on and so on.

Which makes it insane to me that there doesn't seem to be any network television station showing anime even as a late night thing. Makes it feel all the more deranged that network television ignores all this and doesn't try showing anything like it.
 
I imagine a lot of people would!

And I imagine it's because it isn't held back by so much of the bullshit that holds back network TV. They'll have hot characters, they'll have action, they'll have unique scifi stories, and so on and so on.

Which makes it insane to me that there doesn't seem to be any network television station showing anime even as a late night thing. Makes it feel all the more deranged that network television ignores all this and doesn't try showing anything like it.
Only problem is a lot of the dubs will suck either because they're heavily censored 4Kids dubs or dubs from when localizers thought everything needed over 9000 F bombs. Since Fuck can't be said on TV without brutally raping the ears of the viewer, that would ruin it. Fuck you, FCC.
 
TiVo was great because it skipped ads and created a way higher-quality recording than what VCRs were able to produce at the time (plus VCRs varied a lot, the quality of tape, the quality of the system, and so forth—a fresh movie tape was good stuff, a tape that had been re-recorded a few times since 1991 not so much).

It blows my mind that basically 2003-2015 was the golden age for actually keeping media—a time when you could BUY whole seasons of a TV show to keep. You couldn't that do that before, and increasingly, can't do it now.

My VCR had a "1 minute skip" button that would fast forward the tape 1 minute. So if you are watching something you recorded off network TV, you just pushed the button twice and you skipped 80% of the commercial break. I should also point out that the ads back then were way better. They tried to get you to buy things by selling you on the awesomeness of the product instead of the blackness or queerness of the people in the commercial.
 
They tried to get you to buy things by selling you on the awesomeness of the product instead of the blackness or queerness of the people in the commercial.
The "Burgers?" meme is real. While ironically McDonald's still shows products, when was the last time you saw a Walmart or supermarket ad that focused on products/weekly specials or what the store looked like?
 
My VCR had a "1 minute skip" button that would fast forward the tape 1 minute. So if you are watching something you recorded off network TV, you just pushed the button twice and you skipped 80% of the commercial break. I should also point out that the ads back then were way better. They tried to get you to buy things by selling you on the awesomeness of the product instead of the blackness or queerness of the people in the commercial.
I considered trying to breakdance with Danimals back when those ads played. That purple leopard b-boy had so much charisma.
 
On every online platform, there are grown adults who will hiss through gritted teeth about people having the gall to make "negative" (critical) remarks about the latest streaming service slop, then will openly wonder why TV in general is so mediocre-at-best now.
 
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Ahem. Ads, Ads and pozzed everything. Ads back then at the very least were barely noticeable. But with the rate it was going, Ads are as long as the show or even longer.

And as for the latter, no-one wants a weirdo telling parents that they should give up their children to be sold to rich fags. And many are waking up to the reality that TV is a mindrape machine as well.

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God damn, that picture alone reminds me why I haven't watched TV since I was a little kid.

You would never find a show like Mastermind on TV, even back when Mastermind first came out.

I am also going back to Newgrounds to rewatch all of the Mastermind movies, and try to play the games too. Thank you for the blast from the past.
 
My VCR had a "1 minute skip" button that would fast forward the tape 1 minute. So if you are watching something you recorded off network TV, you just pushed the button twice and you skipped 80% of the commercial break. I should also point out that the ads back then were way better. They tried to get you to buy things by selling you on the awesomeness of the product instead of the blackness or queerness of the people in the commercial.
That's very true, the ads today are not only excessively long, so long that they actually cut out parts of shows/movies and speed them up to fit in more ads, but the ads themselves are awful. Gone are the memorable funny or sexy commercials, it's all niggers complaining about how oppressed they are.
 
That's very true, the ads today are not only excessively long, so long that they actually cut out parts of shows/movies and speed them up to fit in more ads, but the ads themselves are awful. Gone are the memorable funny or sexy commercials, it's all niggers complaining about how oppressed they are.
A year ago, I watched a lot of TV for some reason. Just Food Network. This ad made me want to play in traffic.
 
A year ago, I watched a lot of TV for some reason. Just Food Network. This ad made me want to play in traffic.
Pharmaceutical commercials are their own special brand of weird. They almost always follow the same pattern: showing someone being all happy doing something unrelated to the drug (potentially after being miserable first), a big block of some narrator speedrunning through possible horrendous side effects while a montage of the happy person continues on, and finally someone says "ask your doctor about whatever-the-fuck-ium"
 
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