The incentives are the tariffs and trade negotiations. This has been rehashed over and over and over in this thread so forgive me if I sound annoyed or am curt.
Tariffs lower revenue for businesses. If businesses try to make the consumer take the hit for the tariffs while manufacturing abroad and then consumption drops, so they loose profits anyways. Same with trade deals, alot of us goods cannot be sold around the world, get them to accept American products and then that's more markets for the American businesses to reach, so more money. If you are an American businesses that suddenly can sell your products world wide and get tariffed for having your products made in another country the only decision that makes sense is to increase production and do that production domestically so you can sell to these new markets while also avoiding tariffs
I completely agree but companies are selfish and want to keep money hence the offshoring, to bring those jobs back they'd have to hire American workers and pay them American wages (Like the agriculture sector should but are complaining about losing the slaves and wanting them back) American workers are expensive, they want safe working conditions, reasonable hours for reasonable pay, vacation, health insurance and won't work like slaves. Another issue is that you can't mine the resources necessary to make the products (at this point in time) you have to rely on the country where those resources are in abundance and maintain that relationship long term. You can't force people to do what you want and have that relationship last long term without grievances being made along the way, you can make your goals and theirs align but making it desirable, they want money so if they believe that investing in America will make them money both short and long term they'll do it.
It's basically "i've been a loser my entire life but then suddenly i started growing facial hair! That's manly!" And they just latch onto it. It's all they have. Shape? Form? Maintenance? No, they finally have something that is sort of seen as manly and they won't risk trimming it, because what if like in everything else in life that fell through for them it doesn't grow back this time?
How do I know this? I was one of them, my first year of college. Thank fuck I had a friend who cared enough to tell me how shit it looked.
I won't go too far into this but this is more of a matter of using the car for the purpose it serves. Historically speaking, pick-up trucks weren't a luxury item, as they were made as an easier form to carry materials and tools for a hard day of physical labor. It wouldn't be until the 2010's when more luxurious options were provided to include all of the things we take for granted in German vehicles today. That's when the trims past the Lariat started to pop up since before then, we had cool limited edition models like the SVT Lightning, what used to be Raptors, and other obscure ones here and there.
It seems rather silly to even come up with a hypothetical to use a BMW to do "truck stuff" since the buyers of that market don't really use them for that purpose. Luxury trucks only reliable audience are old people with too much cash to their names that they can afford to get a Platinum F-150, said trades workers who want a more comfortable ride compared to their XLT-spec work truck, and soccer moms who don't have a Suburban but need to borrow their husband's vehicle to do grocery shopping.
This does come off as being a little mad that people can freely overspend and overthink what car they truly need but my point is that because people are facing a decline in spare income, they should preferably get a cheaper alternative, that's all. Unless the buyers are fine with financing new vehicles, then everything I've said is all in vain. I just wanted to make it clear on where I stand with the auto industry bloating up the options and wasteful spending on the consumers end.
I think you're misunderstanding chuddie so let me educate you.
"Learning" isn't something you do by working with physical things to make products, that's redneck white people labor (or slavery if it's black people doing it).
Learning is something you do in a classroom, where you memorize factsthings that a committee decided you need to know and write them down on a test or in an essay. The application of that learning (educated college jobs) is being in an air conditioned office with an HR department, a starbux, and a cultural outreach expert, where you and four hundred others like you decide what to do with other people's money.
No wall, no deportations and now no tariffs. But hey still sending billions of dollars to Israel and more American troops to watch over the genocide going on there.
Blormpf also nominated another kike as some 'UN antisemitism guard' thing. I think I'm tired of all this winning.
F150s went from reliable, moderately priced (and not gigantic) workhorse truck to the souped up 18 ton chrome plated boomermobiles you see parked alongside RVs and boat trailers.
The American truck has become to the retired boomer in the 2010s/20s what the sedan became to retired silent generation in the 80s, a status symbol and end of life toy.
The specific robot in that pic is a Vectis Cobalt Welder. They cost $95k-$140k apiece. I looked it up before posting, something you should've done. I am a retard though if that makes you feel any better.
I'm retarded too so don't worry about it, I Just hope we can both eventually agree one day.
If this is what you're referring to then I'm happy to inform you that this is not realistic pricing, that's on them though and not you. This is their sales pamphlet equivalent for filtering people out. You need to contact them to get a real quote and alot of that extra cost is for the welding table it sits on. Once you talk to a person and agree to purchase several of them they lower the cost significantly, especially when you explain that you're going to fit them to your existing tables and not their special machined ones from blue rhino. Also just to sperge a bit more about this, vectis is on the higher end of these co-bot's and you can find cheaper alternatives. I just used vectis for the image because they take nice pictures.
Listen I'm not here to start a fight with you or anyone else. I just refuse to listen to the argument that America cannot reshore manufacturing. We can and absolutely must do it, to ensure a good future for the country and the next generation. If it costs money now to have sustainable manufacturing later then that's what it takes. If you don't believe that's true then fine, I can't change your mind but at least let the rest of us try to do something good instead of grabbing our ankles and holding us back like crabs in a bucket.
I also promise I'll stay OT now, I may like manufacturing too much.
Wait, that's why the AOC/Bernie rally that the shills are pushing was so big? It was just Coachella's crowd?
Every large Democrat rally turns out to be some other event that the politician just happened to show up to. Trump has huge rallies with the only draw being himself.
I won't go too far into this but this is more of a matter of using the car for the purpose it serves. Historically speaking, pick-up trucks weren't a luxury item, as they were made as an easier form to carry materials and tools for a hard day of physical labor. It wouldn't be until the 2010's when more luxurious options were provided to include all of the things we take for granted in German vehicles today. That's when the trims past the Lariat started to pop up since before then, we had cool limited edition models like the SVT Lightning, what used to be Raptors, and other obscure ones here and there.
It seems rather silly to even come up with a hypothetical to use a BMW to do "truck stuff" since the buyers of that market don't really use them for that purpose. Luxury trucks only reliable audience are old people with too much cash to their names that they can afford to get a Platinum F-150, said trades workers who want a more comfortable ride compared to their XLT-spec work truck, and soccer moms who don't have a Suburban but need to borrow their husband's vehicle to do grocery shopping.
This does come off as being a little mad that people can freely overspend and overthink what car they truly need but my point is that because people are facing a decline in spare income, they should preferably get a cheaper alternative, that's all. Unless the buyers are fine with financing new vehicles, then everything I've said is all in vain. I just wanted to make it clear on where I stand with the auto industry bloating up the options and wasteful spending on the consumers end.
Understandable, I know this can be hard to express over text. I was talking about people treating a truck as a luxury SUV, causing the market to focus on that when a Truck really isn't the same thing, messing up the actual market of people who need a truck for work.
I don't know what you're talking about, he's been behaving perfectly normally today. View attachment 7216537
I don't normally care about stickers but I got a real kick out of logging on to see this today
True, but American labor is also the best quality you can get per dollar. During covid when production slumped I had to make shit from US, Chinese and Canadian steel. Without a doubt the Canadian was the worst shit I've ever had to use and decreased my productivity due to defects in the steel. Chinese was ok but it varies a lot. Long story short, It's never cheaper to outsource. That's a lie that was sold by the business/MBA class to society at large. You still are going to pay the money you normally would pay a US worker but instead of it going into labor and QC it's going into the scrap bin and to 'defects'.
Every large Democrat rally turns out to be some other event that the politician just happened to show up to. Trump has huge rallies with the only draw being himself.
It's indicative of the entire leftist "scavenger" mindset. It's the exact same thing that leads them invade popular IPs instead of starting their own, immigrate to successful countries/cities instead of improving their own, etc.
I think people vaguely fall into one of two different mindsets: scavengers and cultivators. Two different mindsets, the dichotomy of which is the main fractionalization of the world right now.
Scavengers go around looking for shit that's lying around or growing on trees. They find it, they slop it up, they move on. Finders keepers. No thought is given to where it came from, or whether or not it needs to be maintained.
Cultivators on the other hand look at the land, notice patterns, test some things, remember, observe, implement, and then after hard work and testing they have a farm that is carefully cultivated to grow tons of nutritious crops.
When scavengers see this, they assume it's a magic plot of land these people just found. The idea that it is created and maintained by the cultivators' delicate thoughtful actions is unthinkable to scavengers because they're retarded so everyone else must be too. Clearly this is a magic plot of land that happens to grow a lot of food and these creators just happened to find it by luck which isn't fair. They force the creators, the ones who know how to maintain the land, out and take the magic land for themselves.
They proceed to shit it up in every way possible and stare dumbfounded as to why it's no longer producing the food it used to, then somehow find a way to blame the creators for this.
Anybody you hear complaining about hierarchy, privilege, colonialism, equity, inclusiveness, systemic oppression, etc. is a scavenger.
The DSA here is doing exactly what the democrats did for Kamala. You hear it in all of their cope: "the left needs its own joe rogan" "the left needs to appeal to white men with ads" "the left needs to play more video games". Anything except changing the actual message of what they're saying.
No, the solution simply must be to go to what the people like and shove our message into that thing, and the suddenly we own it like in "go". The people don't like the thing for the message/vibe/community it already HAS, they just like the thing arbitrarily, and once we mold that thing to have our message, now all of those people will be indoctrinated by our message.
So many examples, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Witcher, Countless vidya, internet culture, comedy... and more concrete examples like wokeshit being shoved into functional companies, and immigrants bringing islam (or other shit cultures) into functional countries thinking that will suddenly make islam powerful because it's now in the functional countries, without realizing they're functional because of the lack of things like islam.
It all starts from the retarded belief that success, stability, and prosperity is just this physical thing that exists that certain people found, and are keeping other people from having.
I won't go too far into this but this is more of a matter of using the car for the purpose it serves. Historically speaking, pick-up trucks weren't a luxury item, as they were made as an easier form to carry materials and tools for a hard day of physical labor. It wouldn't be until the 2010's when more luxurious options were provided to include all of the things we take for granted in German vehicles today. That's when the trims past the Lariat started to pop up since before then, we had cool limited edition models like the SVT Lightning, what used to be Raptors, and other obscure ones here and there.
It seems rather silly to even come up with a hypothetical to use a BMW to do "truck stuff" since the buyers of that market don't really use them for that purpose. Luxury trucks only reliable audience are old people with too much cash to their names that they can afford to get a Platinum F-150, said trades workers who want a more comfortable ride compared to their XLT-spec work truck, and soccer moms who don't have a Suburban but need to borrow their husband's vehicle to do grocery shopping.
This does come off as being a little mad that people can freely overspend and overthink what car they truly need but my point is that because people are facing a decline in spare income, they should preferably get a cheaper alternative, that's all. Unless the buyers are fine with financing new vehicles, then everything I've said is all in vain. I just wanted to make it clear on where I stand with the auto industry bloating up the options and wasteful spending on the consumers end.
The problems you're describing amount to new cars being a massive scam. One that needs to be forcibly ejected out of the market before anything can improve, but that will never happen because boomers and second-generation immigrants will pay out the nose for lease-bait "luxury" vehicles with plastic trim. All stupid decisions by vehicle manufacturers and dealerships will be forever subsidized by the government and idiots.
I can't even recommend buying a used car produced after 2011, either, since a vast majority of those are fleet vehicles beaten to shit by brown Uber drivers. At this point, one rule of thumb of buying any used car is "Would an indian drive this thing around to make his glorified taxi driver job look more prestigious than it is?" Trucks are safe from this, the laptop caste fears the F-150 land barge driver.
Yup, you'll just pay half the savings monitoring them to make sure they don't fuck you, and pay the other half in litigation costs when they do fuck you. Of course, that compliance work is almost all laptop caste work, so I'm sure some people see it as a plus.
