Salvation might happen soon, but not now.
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It's amazing how they seem to go through these cycles of not being able to write coherent rules. After 8th edition they realised they'd forgotten a bunch of "too obvious to mention" rules and had to put out an early FAQ, then with 9th they made sure all that stuff was in the rule book on day one, and now in 10th they've gone back to basics and already have an 18-page FAQ for a game that's not even out yet. Including some of the exact same rules they forgot to put in 8th.
And now we have people thinking "well actually WARBOSS IN MEGA ARMOUR is the same keyword as MEGA ARMOUR" even though there's nothing in the rules I've found to support that and we're back to "what is a daemon?" from 5th all over again.
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@Ben Kenobi is right though. They capitalized 0 on it. Release a fucking "iconic legends" line where you have 2 heroes pitted against each other like one of those faggy vs ganes that are all the rage or a hero with a 10 model escort. Shit out whatever piece of shit skirmish rules you want since gamers will just want the models and GW fanboys will play it even if the rules requiren breaking your hand with a hammer. Malekith has had a shit model since the start of time and Tyrion would appreciate a make over.
That Old World is still vaporware after wasting all 3 release windows of the total war games shows they are unable to capitalize on anything related to classic warhammer. Also notice how they have never mentioned Kislev or Cathai again after dropping some heavy hints about them years ago.
AoS is good for rules for GW standards, which is not very.
I've played a ton of systems and the GW ones were always the bottom of the barrel, aside from lightning in bottle like Blood Bowl which is slow and clunky by today's standards or the Mordheim and Necromunda things which were fun but have been done better in other rulesets like Frostgrave.
If you don't want to just collect and want to play stuff. Mantic games are a good place to start, their models are... well are pretty shit outside of the newer kits, but their rules are ace and they have very varied systems. And Kings of War is model agnostic anyway and they are starting to get in the STL bandwagon if you are interested in something like armada (naval battles).
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None of this would make any more money then just making more warcry teams.
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Hard disagree. There is a good chunk of market that know what a Karl Franz is and not a "warcry", they don't give a shit about a "warcry". They just want a few models for collection purposes of all those neat characters they've been using in total war.
If they even knew what a warcry even is, then they would've actually been writers.
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On more 40K related topics, I do find it funny that the usual "PRO 40k PLAYER" streamers and sites have stopped jacking off GW furiously due to the corporate mandated hype cycle and are starting to scream bloody murder in some places (https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-unhinged-an-adeptus-mechanicus-rant/). I know to my dismay that GW will rebound from this again since they could put a shit between binders and most of the player base would still purchase it but I always love a good saltfest.
Might just be me being retarded, but I've read this phrase a few times and I still honest to god don't know what you mean. Mind rephrasing that?
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My schizotheory is the non-marine indexes were written at last minute so people won't have to use 9th edition rules and GW can earn brownie points with plebbitors over free rules.
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You don't even have to go into schizo theory, this is far from new from GW. Model company first and all that. Their rules department has always been ass and probably has horrible retention power, so nobody stays there to remember any of the lessons learned from prior editions. But since it's the biggest brand around in the standard 40k only player is the equivalent of the fusion of a buck broken plantation nigger and an abused housewife, they come back crawling even when they declare "enough is enough" when a small whiff of competence creeps out.
Basically it's just the cycle of life. I've been expecting GW to crash and burn for over a decade and it clearly hasn't happened, closest was during Warmachine's heyday when GW was extra shitty, but then they actually had some introspection, changed the higher ups and did some good moves while Warmachine decided that success was something they were tired of and assploded all their goodwill with the 3rd edition, and since then nothing has come remotely close nor as GW been as vulnerable.
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If they are online rules and not physical codexes, can't just they pdf edit them? 
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Played my first 10th edition game today as sisters against orks. Mozrog Skragbad is an anti-vehicle savage. He took out over 500pts on his own.
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They probably saw the lore as baggage that few people cared about and wanted to replace Fantasy with something bigger and flashier in the hopes of hooking 40k players.
Also the funniest part about this is they must have thought Total Warhammer was going to flop when they were making the deal with CA and went on ahead with their plans for The End Times anyway.
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I think the biggest missed opportunity in regard to GW and Total War is that they completely failed to capitalize on the popularity of Skaven from TWWH2 (and Vermintide). Skaven are still stuck with their WHFB range in AoS, even Lizardmen getting a refresh first. And then Skaven are explicitly NOT going to be in The Old World.
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TWWH2 was my introduction to warhammer. It made me want to get into the tabletop and I even wanted to play Skaven. After a week of looking for people to play with, I gave up and switched to 40k.
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Chaos thunderhawks got rules, but regular marines do not.
They are Hunter laptoping the longest standing aircraft.
But hey , you need different rules for primaris captain variant a,b,c,d....
They are Hunter laptoping the longest standing aircraft.
But hey , you need different rules for primaris captain variant a,b,c,d....
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Downloaded the 10E points index. Christ on a cross, they need to trim the fuck out of the Space Marines. I don't care if they're the most popular army, two pages just listing points is retarded bloat
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Going across the CSM datasheet, a thought occurred to me. Can the Venomcrawler take the Talisman of Burning Blood? Unless I missed it, I don't see any restrictions on the enhancements and since everything can take marks now, the Venomcrawler does technically meet the requirements to carry it when given the MoK
EDIT: Reread the 10E rules. Only characters can. A pity, because a Venomcrawler with the ToBB would be a nice combo. +1 attack & +1 strength to make both 7, with +d3 attacks with a Dark Pact plus the permanent +1 attack for each unit killed would turn it into a blender
EDIT: Reread the 10E rules. Only characters can. A pity, because a Venomcrawler with the ToBB would be a nice combo. +1 attack & +1 strength to make both 7, with +d3 attacks with a Dark Pact plus the permanent +1 attack for each unit killed would turn it into a blender
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I believe I made one of the most braindead decisions I've made in years, I've decided to try and get through all 54 main novels in the Horus Heresy or completely burn out trying.
I've gotten through the first 10 books so far and probably will take a few months break before the next 10 and TLDR, 1 of the batch I thought was awful , 2 where meh but had moments, rest where alright to good.
I've gotten through the first 10 books so far and probably will take a few months break before the next 10 and TLDR, 1 of the batch I thought was awful , 2 where meh but had moments, rest where alright to good.
1 Horus Rising, 2 False Gods, and 3 Galaxy Burns: I still maintain this is a solid opening trilogy that shouldn't be skipped if anyone makes the dumb decision to get into the books and if they changed or added a things all we could of been all we needed to set up the early crusade Horus's fall, and the opening battles of either Istvan 3 or the drop site massacre.
4 Flight of the Eisenstein: good book overall not much to say other find it odd how fast Garro went religious " praise the god emperor" when even some modern marines refuse to accept him as one.
5 Fulgrim: I liked how Fulgrim's and the EC fall was a bit more gradual instead of immediately going to chaos when he picked up the Slaneesh dick blade from first being manipulated by the deamon at first with small nudges here and later full on with Horus's revelation about Big E, to all but having a mental breakdown when he finally releases what has happened after killing Feris (although really hope one of the later books expands on him a bit more)
6 Descent of Angels: I surprising thought this was alright. Enjoyed the first half when there just on Caliban and describing the order's rituals and it could of well been a fantasy novel which was a bit refreshing, Second half was weaker but I really liked that it was implied that Luther's actions had nothing to do with chaos just a single moment of weakest and I was fine with the final twist of the main narrator being one of the fallen because I imminently took a detour and listened to the the new lion book afterwards.
7. Legion: I didn't really like it. The more characters Dan Abnett introduces, the worse his books are, and there's like 4 or 5 different fucking factions that think their the smartest on the planet trying to manipulate or infiltrate each other. It got a little better toward the end when it started to focus mainly on the Alpha Legion and the Cabal, but not enough to save it. Also if I had a nickel for every Eldar that accidently helped drive a Phrimarch to treason, I'd arguable have 2, maybe 3.
8. Battle for the Abyss: Pure fucking filler, everyone that has more the one lines dies save Logars adopted dad and the super ship gets destroyed. Maybe would of been better if it was half the length but honestly felt like I could of skipped this book entirely.
9: Mechanicum: It's refreshing to see the tech priest given a little respect instead of idiots who barely have any self awareness about what their doing or insane freaks that may or may not be committing serval heresies (cawl), although it gets bogged down by technobabble and I'm a bit mixed about the Akashic Reader and the whole Void Dragon needing a keeper, I actually thought Kelbor-Hal was the strongest character in the book and his reasoning to side with the traitors was believable.
10: Tales of Heresy: Anthology book, some of the short stories are good some are weak put don't stick around long enough to be truly bad. Thought the short story of Angron and Kharn's first meeting was the best one in the set which is strange because everyone hypes up the last church as one of the best short stories
4 Flight of the Eisenstein: good book overall not much to say other find it odd how fast Garro went religious " praise the god emperor" when even some modern marines refuse to accept him as one.
5 Fulgrim: I liked how Fulgrim's and the EC fall was a bit more gradual instead of immediately going to chaos when he picked up the Slaneesh dick blade from first being manipulated by the deamon at first with small nudges here and later full on with Horus's revelation about Big E, to all but having a mental breakdown when he finally releases what has happened after killing Feris (although really hope one of the later books expands on him a bit more)
6 Descent of Angels: I surprising thought this was alright. Enjoyed the first half when there just on Caliban and describing the order's rituals and it could of well been a fantasy novel which was a bit refreshing, Second half was weaker but I really liked that it was implied that Luther's actions had nothing to do with chaos just a single moment of weakest and I was fine with the final twist of the main narrator being one of the fallen because I imminently took a detour and listened to the the new lion book afterwards.
7. Legion: I didn't really like it. The more characters Dan Abnett introduces, the worse his books are, and there's like 4 or 5 different fucking factions that think their the smartest on the planet trying to manipulate or infiltrate each other. It got a little better toward the end when it started to focus mainly on the Alpha Legion and the Cabal, but not enough to save it. Also if I had a nickel for every Eldar that accidently helped drive a Phrimarch to treason, I'd arguable have 2, maybe 3.
8. Battle for the Abyss: Pure fucking filler, everyone that has more the one lines dies save Logars adopted dad and the super ship gets destroyed. Maybe would of been better if it was half the length but honestly felt like I could of skipped this book entirely.
9: Mechanicum: It's refreshing to see the tech priest given a little respect instead of idiots who barely have any self awareness about what their doing or insane freaks that may or may not be committing serval heresies (cawl), although it gets bogged down by technobabble and I'm a bit mixed about the Akashic Reader and the whole Void Dragon needing a keeper, I actually thought Kelbor-Hal was the strongest character in the book and his reasoning to side with the traitors was believable.
10: Tales of Heresy: Anthology book, some of the short stories are good some are weak put don't stick around long enough to be truly bad. Thought the short story of Angron and Kharn's first meeting was the best one in the set which is strange because everyone hypes up the last church as one of the best short stories
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