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Brought to you by Deep Silver and KING Art Games, the epic Warhammer 40,000 real-time strategy game (RTS) is returning to its mass-battle, base-building roots with deeply satisfying gameplay and a brutal, expanded Sync Kill system.
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Might as well just outright say “We know DoW 3 was shit” lmao.

Anyways, mildly excited for this. Shame it looks like it’s all gonna be primaris. RTS would be the perfect format to have firstborn and primaris. Oh well.
 
Rimanah said:
Might as well just outright say “We know DoW 3 was shit” lmao.

Anyways, mildly excited for this. Shame it looks like it’s all gonna be primaris. RTS would be the perfect format to have firstborn and primaris. Oh well.
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Oh yeah, the steam page is just a bullet point list of "the last game was shit, we're making the one you wanted instead" for now.
 
The World-Eaters can be goofy as shit or terrifying depending on how they are handled.

Like when Angron gets lit the fuck up inside his dropship when he lands on Istvaan III only to sprint out of it completely unfazed and looking like a feral monster with a horde of marines right behind him. That was really fucking cool.

Saul Tarvitz trying to act brave with his "The Emperors Children never run." Speech only for a World Eater captain to look him dead in the eyes and tell him to fucking run before charging straight towards Angron with zero hesitation was peak writing.
 
p1138 said:
And turns out it was true because of gamescom. Due 2026. Space Marines, Admech, Orks, Necrons and no somersaulting bullshit and what appears to eb actual base building.
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I take it Guard and Chaos will be paid DLC instead of a proper expansion? Shame. I’m hoping they’re not going to further lock subsections of Chaos or Guard under more DLC and if there isn’t an army painter in game I’ll deem it absolutely inferior to the old DoW games.

Professor Donger said:
can someone please explain the Primaris hate? cus I don't get it.
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Unnecessary lore change when they could’ve quietly done a range refresh instead of suddenly there was a bunch of reinforcements everyone kind of just forgot about but good thing Guilliman is back to remember! Not to mention they shelved first born from the tabletop after promising not to do it and the procedure went from being a super rare chance for first born to undergo but thanks to lore bullshit like Cawl perfecting the technique there’s zero risk. There was also a huge build up to a primaris vs first born civil war but it just… fizzled out and now everyone is primaris.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
I take it Guard and Chaos will be paid DLC instead of a proper expansion? Shame. I’m hoping they’re not going to further lock subsections of Chaos or Guard under more DLC and if there isn’t an army painter in game I’ll deem it absolutely inferior to the old DoW games.
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Probably depends on how well it sells. Fucking battle sector is still getting new factions and it’s a mediocre XCOM clone. If DoW4 sells well enough it’ll certainly see new factions, and maybe in a proper expansion. But I’m a bit doubtful on the latter, I can’t recall the last game I heard of getting a proper Dow1/2 style expansion
 
Catgirl Tyranid said:
Wait, what happened here?
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Go look up the chapterhouse lawsuit if you want details, but the summary is...

GW used to make rules for shit that didn't have models, companies filled the gap. Chapterhouse then started making more and more stuff like faction pauldrons and shit. GW's CEO at the time(Tom Kirby who was also responsible for a lot of other fuckups at GW between 2010-2014) has a bug up his ass about it and sues the shit out of them in a case that took damn near 2 years, during which GW tried to claim trademarks over everything from "space marine"(they lost), to "pauldron"(yes really, they lost that too), and "ultramarine"(I wish I were kidding but they also lost this). Out of the hundreds of items the court basically told GW to fuck off on about 2/3 of them because the names and symbols and shit were too generic. After this case had dragged out so long Chapterhouse went out of business due to being unable to do business and legal fees.

The end result was GW changing the name of everything to something they could trademark. Hence "Adeptus Astartes", "Aeldari", "Drukhari", shit needing 3 names like "Mephitic Blight Hauler", every paint color having a GW specific name, and so on. GW also stopped releasing rules for things without models, and then anything that didn't have rules shit was sent to "legends" AKA an unplayable mess that never gets properly updated and is also where things go when GW wants to stop making models for them(and then just remove them altogether later on).

That CEO was then eventually replaced by Kevin Rountree in 2015 and the company has been a lot less ridiculous since but will still go after people for selling shit using their IP and trademarks/copyrighted stuff.

AncientPhosphur said:
I take it Guard and Chaos will be paid DLC instead of a proper expansion? Shame. I’m hoping they’re not going to further lock subsections of Chaos or Guard under more DLC and if there isn’t an army painter in game I’ll deem it absolutely inferior to the old DoW games.
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4 factions with full multiplayer support and a 70 mission campaign is plenty for a base game in an RTS. The fantasy TW games have been getting releases to add shit constantly over the years because its proven popular enough. If the new devs working on DoW 4 don't fuck it up like DoW 3, it should be popular enough to get continued releases as well.

Frankly it's better they didn't include Chaos because 1. They're already in damn near everything else and 2. for the most part they're just space marines with extra spikes and not enough differentiation. If they're just adding factions for multiplayer or real expansions, it's too early to tell because it was just announced and we know barely anything about the base game as it is.
 
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games? I suppose I'm glad it isn't ultramarines I could easily see that getting pushed for in a boardroom.
p1138 said:
The end result was GW changing the name of everything to something they could trademark. Hence "Adeptus Astartes", "Aeldari", "Drukhari", shit needing 3 names like "Mephitic Blight Hauler", every paint color having a GW specific name, and so on.
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I've heard this is why they nuked old world for AoS. So many cool characters wiped from existence for fantasy space marines. Stormcast are so boring looking.
 
Paul-Denton said:
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games? I suppose I'm glad it isn't ultramarines I could easily see that getting pushed for in a boardroom.

I've heard this is why they nuked old world for AoS. So many cool characters wiped from existence for fantasy space marines. Stormcast are so boring looking.
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Eh... that one is dubious because AoS would have likely been in the works before the lawsuit even happened. It's probably more that it was an opportunity to nuke everything they couldn't trademark because they did keep a bunch of named characters.
 
Paul-Denton said:
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games
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Pure guess-work but I'd reckon that they wanted the player faction to be customizable. Or at least more customizable than they could get away with if using a pre-established chapter, so they created the Blood Ravens.
 
Professor Donger said:
can someone please explain the Primaris hate? cus I don't get it.
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They aren't 40k.

That's the long and the short of it. They do not match the 40k lore, the 40k aesthetics, or the 40k "vibe." 40k is all about Grimdark, about Industrial Gothic with large amounts of grime, decay and entropy. Primaris Marines are literally big standard 2020 era Power Armored Marines.

It'd be like AdMech showing up with their own version of brand new not-Necrons made out of iPad style aesthetics (so, Votann Ironkin) with the new AdMech characters being clean shaven, wearing glasses and perfectly clean white labcoats, laughing at the idea of "silly outdated religious concepts." Or the Sisters of Battle showing off their new "GeneScripture" which gives them a new Black Carapace and the like and oh yeah they can now use every Space Marine datasheet because we can't add Female Space Marines but we can make the Female Not-Space Marines into Space Marines.

Could you do Primaris right? Sure. Make it so it turns out they have a short lifespan and have to be constantly replaced, start making their armor more 40kish instead of pristine and uniform, etc etc. But that is antithetical to the 3D modeling methods NuGW uses, so it's not going to happen.

Paul-Denton said:
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games? I suppose I'm glad it isn't ultramarines I could easily see that getting pushed for in a boardroom.
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Blood Ravens supposedly existed before DoW1 (although I couldn't find any exact references to them, earliest I could ever find was an image of them in the 5E or 6E codex, which would have been released around the time DoW1 came out IIRC?) but were relatively unknown, which meant they were 1. canon enough to use but 2. a blank slate. Then you had them just grow in the DoW games including the hilarious shit in DoW2 where all their Diablo style character upgrades were blatantly stolen from other chapters and they just grew into their own thing.

They're one of the few "possibly (almost definitely) Chaos Legion loyalist" factions that ADB hasn't been able to rush up and intentionally ruin in a BL book with a shitty "actually they're really boring sorry Imperials get fucked" because "NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE SPECIAL EXCEPT HIS SPESHUL KAOZ GUYZ NO ONE NO ONE NO ONE why doens't daddy love me NO ONE!!!!!!!"
 
Paul-Denton said:
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games?
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It was relics pet chapter, allowed them to have more creative freedom with the first game. After that they just became inseparable from the series.
Same reason THQ made up Titus instead of use Cato or Ventris.

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Blood Ravens supposedly existed before DoW1 (although I couldn't find any exact references to them, earliest I could ever find was an image of them in the 5E or 6E codex, which would have been released around the time DoW1 came out IIRC?)
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I think they supposedly came from either a chapter line up kind of like the regiment line up Krieg came from, or a White Dwarf. I’ve never seen this substantiated though.

I do wish we still got those line ups. Biggest loss because of the “no model, no rules/art” massacre IMO.
 
I am ready for my next heart break. I want Dawn of War 4 but nothing in this trailer gets me excited. This is the big reveal and I gotta say, it's like nothing happened. DoW 3 at least had a hype trailer. There's no continuity to what's happening in the trailer. It's jumping from scene to scene of different battles in different locations in different times. The animation is very stiff and robotic. Why does everyone move so slow? Space Marines are supposed to be lightning fast. Necrons should be even faster. I can count the seconds it takes to swing a chainsword.

Poor trailer aside I want to be optimistic, but the gameplay teasers don't inspired confidence. I guess I don't really know what I'm looking at but I see Total War unit cards and I think wtf are they doing? Please don't try to reinvent the wheel. Having Primaris doesn't bother me. I don't think it's an issue, and it's not like it would be anything else. Hero units are definitely back. I know they've always had them but I guess we'll see just how impactful they will be. Sync kills are back for those who missed them. Sound effects are definitely tacked on. There's like a half hearted generic gunfire track they probably got for free to rush out the trailer. That's what I'm hoping is this trailer was just rushed to meet the Gamescom deadline and that's why everything looks so weird. There's not enough to go off of but I hope it's good.

Launching with ad mech and Necrons is a bold move and not unwelcome. Ad mEch actually being their own faction should be pretty cool. I like Necrons so I'm happy I'll have one of my armies of choice being playable. I wonder how they plan to do DLC. Will it be expansions like the old games or will they just drop new armies as standalone DLC? As much as I don't like the idea of armies being paid DLC, I would rather pay for that than whatever live service bullshit they might try to pull if they were free.
Paul-Denton said:
Is there a specific reason the blood ravens have been the focus of the Dawn of War games? I suppose I'm glad it isn't ultramarines I could easily see that getting pushed for in a boardroom.
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It's really as simple as that's just their game. They were the main characters in the first game and there's really no reason to change that. They have some named characters I guess people care about. Idk I didn't play the campaigns if I'm honest I just played skirmish and comp stomp.
 
Schizo crack theory: The King in Yellow is either Horus, or in my opinion some sort of derivative of Horus. I am leaning towards a son or descendant because in the End and the Death Horus thinks about how he wants actual biological children. He explicitly doesn't want tube babies and wants to do something his father never could and get with a lady. Why would Abnett include such a specific detail?

Now besides that, there is some indication Horus was always supposed to rebel, just not fall to chaos. Either this would have been a primary plan or backup, but either way Horus was supposed to be a stand in for the Emperor. So if Horus 1.0 didn't work, why not try Horus 2.0? The King in Yellow has a nice little chaos-free warp dimension to work out of. If the Imperium ever falls, then there's a backup. Slight tangent, Farsight was supposed to be Tau Horus, but avoided falling for chaos juice. Instead of starting a damaging civil war he simply set up his own state and stayed there. Like the King in Yellow, he's not directly hostile, and can serve as a backup in case the Tau Empire falls. Farsight may have even gotten covert help from the Emperor, to test whether the King in Yellow plan was viable.

Now why is Valdor's name in the book that contains the identity of the King in Yellow. Well, Valdor is absolutely loyal to the Emperor, so it's possible the Emperor ordered him to support the King. Ergo, Valdor is currently an important ally or subordinate to the King.

Now assuming that the King is a biological child or descendant, when did Horus do something impossible for Warhammer players? (Warhammer players with children are Tzeenchian lies) Well, pre-Heresy or Heresy could work. They have not released a Primarchs novel for Horus, and that book could very well contain the origin of the Yellow King. Hence why they haven't released it yet, Black Liabrary is waiting for Abnett to finish Pandemonium, otherwise it would ruin the twist.

Horus also looks like Mussolini sometimes, and Mussolini had children. GW likes ripping off history, so I am correct.
 
Ordered DIsplates, they look really nice. I'm actually really happy with them, even with the shine on the gloss finish. I guess it's no worse than how glass shines in picture frames. Putting them up is pretty easy. I clean the wall to make sure it sticks. It's a giant sticker that you stick a magnet to. Don't worry about leveling yet because it's a magnet. The frame will stay however I move it. Finally got around to putting them up tonight and right as I'm putting up the second plate, the first one fucking crashes to the floor in a loud ass bang. Turns out Displate is a total fucking scam and their mounting system doesn't fucking work at all. That leaf that attaches to wall peeled right the fuck off from the weight and these shits don't even weigh 2 pounds! Well now my brand new glossy finish art piece is scratched and I have to argue with customer support and explain to them how following their directions exactly actually ended up scaring the shit out of me and damaging the product. That fucker wasn't even up two minutes and it fell down.

Had I known, I would've bought command strips and stuck the magnet to the wall with those instead. The whole magnet thing works. I'm sure that over a long enough time the plate will eventually slide down the magnet and need an adjustment, but at least it wont fall. I could put it back up, but I didn't pay a hundred dollars to have art that's scratched before I even get it up.

Edit: A second plate has hit the floor. I don't know why I thought I should be optimistic. It stayed up while I made my post but nope, second one just crashed to the floor and managed to wedge itself behind the base board and my big dresser. This has been the most expensive pain in the ass, and I have very little faith that Displate will easily replace these for me. I have no choice but to at least try.
 
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GoodWinSon said:
Schizo crack theory: The King in Yellow is either Horus, or in my opinion some sort of derivative of Horus. I am leaning towards a son or descendant because in the End and the Death Horus thinks about how he wants actual biological children. He explicitly doesn't want tube babies and wants to do something his father never could and get with a lady. Why would Abnett include such a specific detail?
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Horus shall have a granddaughter named Rey Lupercal, who then destroys him by absorbing the collective power of all the Primarchs.
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