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Actual nepo-baby marines, just then I couldn’t hate Primaris more.
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Actual nepo-baby marines, just then I couldn’t hate Primaris more.
Kharash
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Is GW really just going to keep copy pasting these BL/video game characters in bland stock MkX like we should be excited? Could just have headswapped an intercessor. At least Titus is a character people actually like and they gave him a cloak to slightly hide his blandness.
It almost feels like we're getting 8e primaris releases again after they're finally getting better at customizing them with BT, SW etc(let's ignore the Blood Angels).
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Not even that, just as a BL character release, it’s shit. I mean do too were Fafnir and Zephon but at least they’re good kitbash fodder and were teases of things to come at the time.
Nobody was clamouring for the buck that was the face of GW’s boneheaded response to Big George getting his neck rearranged.
Decimus, Honsou, Vorx or even ADB’s pets from the Black Legion books, anything for the “Year of Chaos.”
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I wish they had hired Claudia Black to voice the character.
Look at that British rose, that’s gonna sell it.
Nepotism. Her boyfriend was the voice actor in the previous game.
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Me when Games Workshop unveils even more Marineslop (they have not released a major Xenos update since 1987 and I'm loving it)
...I found this picture in the Rogue Trader TTRPG book and thought it looked like a pre-made Wojak lol
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He doesn't try to be, he's a post-heresy marine made by a warband that was struggling to survive.
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I sort of get it, at least from the business side. The injection molds for plastic are far and away the most expensive cost for GW in terms of miniature manufacturing for any single product. Making one can cost GW thousands to tens of thousands of dollars (I believe it’s closer to the thousand(s) side now, but don’t quote me on that). Comparatively, the plastic for the models can quite literally cost pennies.
What this means is that plastic models benefit from volume of sales. Once you sell enough to pay the cost of the mold, it’s almost pure profit. This works great for units like troops, because people by the nature of the game buy a lot of them. Characters on the other hand, are the exact opposite. Most people don’t buy a ton. This is doubly true for named/unique characters, where most people will buy one, if at all.
Consequently, it makes sense for GW to advertise the hell out of them, to try and maximize sales as much as possible and overcome that issue. It’s also why the cost much more per model than troops. It’s still poorly written shilling I don’t bother to click on, but I get why GW does it.
Note: this is a vast oversimplification on the business side of stuff, since it’s ignoring a fair bit of inputs like wages, but it gives you the general picture and doesn’t really change the point. I also think there’s some technological or manufacturing technique developments I’m not aware of that actually allowed GW to do plastic named characters as much as they do now, instead of resin like they used to do. Or it may just be a loss leader or something. If someone more plugged into the industry could elucidate me on that I’d greatly appreciate it.
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Im not, but Ill speculate that its much easier to design, approve, then create an injection mold for a single character, especially not a brand new single character, than it is for a unit of 5-10 models. A character can be only a single sprue an eigth of the size of a unit of miniatures. It would then be much quicker for the sculpters to actually produce, compared to 5-10 miniatures that need to be unique but cohesive, as well as handling cutting up the model to work with injection molded plastic.
And you can mold multiple smaller sprues at a time. But that being said, you're going to sell a hell of a lot fewer named characters than you are troops, elite troops, vehicles, etc. even for space marine characters. Some factions are basically subsidized by space marine intercessor sales with those molds maybe never recouping their costs in any reasonable amount of time.
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True, but consider people get into armies through characters all the time. How many people got into any of the cult legions through the demon primarchs, or dark angels/ultramarines through their primarchs. Im sure the new Titus sculpt (which is fucking beautiful) is going to drag more people into Ultramarines. The Captain with Relic shield isnt named, but it is a gorgeous model you'll only run 1 of. Calgar is another example. The door is then opened to buying multiple 60+ dollar kits beyond that, or combat patrols, or other boxes. Personally, I got into Blood Angels first through lore (vampires are cool) but Dante hooked me as a character. Same with Argel Tal and Wordbearers. When Orikan and Trazyn have models Im buying both, and I bought that one necron overlord thats basically Oltyx because of TDK.
Sure but that's still 1 unique character you'll never have a reason to buy multiples of. Obviously they can sell people into buying a faction, but at the end of the day they're not intercessors that are a perpetual money printing marine even though some people have enough of them bought with other shit they could make an entire space marine army if they bothered to assemble and paint them.
At the end of the day, this shit all costs GW pennies to produce(once the molds are usable and manufacturing is chugging along) and maybe a couple bucks for packaging and overall logistics(since they're shipping them around in bulk and buy their packaging from china) per item. We're talking about a company that maintains a 40% margin afterall.
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Yes, but that alone doesn’t actually make the characters profitable, it makes them loss leaders (assuming they don’t actually recoup their cost, which frankly is anyone’s guess unless someone here is an insider).
Likely the same thing with any lines that SM sales subsidize. They might not turn a profit, but having a more “complete gaming system” gets more people to play, which as a knock on effect ultimately sees more sales in profitable lines or products.
I was also going to write a response to your other post on dev time, but it was a much more business autism way of saying “yes, but I think that’s primarily opportunity cost because most of those employees are salaried.” Which is just yes with an asterisk.
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SoC is actually such a underrated CSM novel, I actually like it a bit more that storm of iron.
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It is a better insight into how they work.
The constant reminder that they have quotas, the sheer pride in abject ruin they all have and the legion’s stubborn refusal to accept they’re cooked. Their empire-building is better shown too. Storm is their big warhorde, the guys in Castellax are the legion day to day (until da boyz roll in) and they are the closest a CSM can come to being a wagie.
One of the best showings for orks too, unrelenting and unstoppable green tides that giggle at opening up your brain and shoving shit in there.
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Something else Warlord related. K47 has troops and vehicles in plastic, but characters in resin. The logic being exactly what you describe.
What I find interesting is the shills praise this move. Supposedly the hatred of resin comes mainly from GW using a shitty resin mix that warps all the time. And unlike GW, when a kit comes out in plastic it usually results in a price drop, instead of a price increase.
There's a bit more to it than that.
Finecast, GW's shitty cheap resin product meant to be a short term stop-gap between metal minis and resculpts in plastic that lasted way too long certainly gave "resin" a bad image.
Additionally you've got Forgeworld(now "expert 15+" or whatever they're calling it) being expensive kits that arrive warped to shit, have mold slips, etc. If you've seen more than a couple FW model unboxings on youtube you'll have seen the tau manta parts folded like a fucking taco that somehow a moron at their QC department signed off on. Again, this didn't help the image of resin products.
Fast forward to 2017-2018 resin printers are becoming widely available. Except the material is brittle as shit, people hadn't discovered hollowing out models yet, trapped resin causing prints to explode over time(yeah, this is a thing) and basically turning people's crafting rooms into a miniature EPA superfund site because of the resin and fumes. People still fuck this up regularly to this day, and of course we've seen miniature companies fuck this up too(looking at you Privateer Press)
2022 rolls along and for whatever the fuck reason every hobby youtube channel has got some weird bug up their ass about resin dust being the worst most toxic cancer producing shit ever, over-doing it with PPE recommending VOC filters for fully cured hard resin products when a dust mask would be fine... yes you shouldn't be breathing in resin dust from sanding but you shouldn't be doing that with plastic dust either.
Then combine this with the fact that retards can't follow instructions and you get people wondering why their plastic cement doesn't work. Or why their primer is fucked and paint won't stick because they didn't wash the mold release off. The resin goes to shit because they wanted to strip paint and left it in a bucket of IPA for 3 months. etc.
For a company like Warlord, where they might sell a few hundred of a character, it makes perfect sense to do resin for the extremely low volume models while GW's "low volume" is still going to be in the thousands for 40k. Plenty of companies have done resin minis over the past decade and done a far better job than GW ever has, there's been fucking recasters that have fixed issues with forgeworld minis because GW is so universally bad about the shit. But because the biggest company has been bad with resin, and people are fucking retarded, it's no wonder than resin minis have a bad reputation in general.
I just remembered another "fun" complaint about resin minis "but the environmental hazards!" as if there aren't any from the plastic production, the power consumption to run the injection machine/dryers, moving around pallets of material, the machining of the molds, etc?
winderson_silva
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A ton of xenos too got no models, no Vect, no Xun'bakr, no Oltyx, no Kutlakh, no Veilwalker,
Hell, the fucking Beast got no artwork at all, while the Imperial Fist protagonist is on the cover of the first book.
Unrelated to the rant, I love how Elemental Council shows conflicting visions, like The Dark Knight with the Joker's plan with the raft. In this book, the Raptor Marine is someone who has actually studied the Greater Good, but he still rejects it. His plan to start rebellions on the Tau-controlled planet is based on his vision for humanity. This is contrasted by a human family choosing to help an Etherial.
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The over reaction is because of the retards. The horror stories of Etsy creators (and possibly some bigger companies) hollowing out stls to "save resin", people operating 3D printers from a bedsit with no ventilation, people getting uncured models in the mail, people pouring waste resin down the sink, or spilling resin on themselves/their carpet and now have a severer reaction to it. Basically treating resin, a toxic chemical, like it's play doh and then acting surprised when it causes a bunch of health problems.
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Listen, this is the Alpha Legion we are talking about. Those motherfuckers could infiltrate a Sisters of Battle Order, even though I have no idea how they could accomplish that.