Warhammer 40k

[Sunflower Samurai]

Tabletop wise, they're basically nixing SoS, right? I thought the revamped Custodes lineup was pointing at eliminating or minimizing them, so figured thats why we got more female Custodes.

Seemingly more or less
30k which was what the battlebox was released for contained the fan favorite custode resin sculpts like the tank and the jetpack dudes were also revealed separately, I'd figure that they will eventually also release the gun custodes as plastic eventually
I think HH 3.0 as a whole more or less shifted a lot of the resin and even kitbash only SoS units to the aether or to their legends rules, the queers over at goonhammer say that apparently they only have 4 units now. I think 2.0 outright had jetbike sisters and a dedicated transport (the former was conversion only iirc) and a total of 19 units. Still pretty unplayable but you had some variety. But point is barring PDF releases its likely that SoS for Horus Heresy 3.0 are not going to be playable on their own any time soon. Compared to the "unlikely but still doable" of 2.0

 

[creaturestorm]

Or maybe they already own an ork army? Why would someone saying they want to try a new detachment mean buying anything?

I mean, i already own an ork army and I cant just hop over and start playing speed waaagh list with 40 bikes in it. I would have to spend money to do that. Too many times I've seen rules that might inspire me to build or play in a certain way only for it to be totally changed in 30 days time.

It's really not that deep.

 

[p1138]

Tabletop wise, they're basically nixing SoS, right? I thought the revamped Custodes lineup was pointing at eliminating or minimizing them, so figured thats why we got more female Custodes.

They were eliminated over the past year in 30k. They haven't done anything with them in 40k.

Outside the watchers of the throne (honestly very good if a bit weird in the way it covers some events that matter lore wise), a few HH characters (I havent gotten to siege of terra yet) are there any actual SoS focused novels in which they're one of the main characters? I don't just means 'showed up at one point'.

They had one in the Dawn of Fire series(gets mentioned in another book in that series as well but doesn't show up again after basically creating an imperial saint... its a bit weird), Jenetia Krole was in the saturnine launch trailer, as well as sitting at the main war council table with Valdor, Malcador, and Dorn in the latest Dropsite Massacre book(and the only one speaking any sense), Era of Ruin(anthology) had a story dedicated to one(it's actually pretty in depth about her feelings regarding being a null, and then being surprised when guardsmen were happy to see her and receive her assistance). And that's in addition to as I said having them appear here and there throughout the fiction.

It's similar to how there just aren't very many SoB focused novels outside of a short anthology, the Saint Celestine novel I haven't read yet, and technically I guess one of the coil novels by that guy with the weird name where there's actually a very cool SoB (but those novels are so fucking weird I struggle to consider anything in them 'canon' as far as novels go, lol).

Just gimme more militant religious bitches with bolters or greatswords. It's up there with Guard novels for me.

Fall of Cadia is basically split... 50/25/10/10/5 between guard, sisters of battle, space marines, chaos, and random shit like Cawl and Trazyn. They're also heavily featured in one of the more recent Ciaphas Cain books, a couple of the dawn of fire series including Celestine showing up to save the day at one point, Ephrael Stern has her Daemonifuge book(Kyganel fucks off back to the black library right at the beginning of the book), and a couple others.

Most of the modern black library stuff isn't entirely focused on a singular entity or faction these days. That's why for something like the Ahriman series, you get a bunch of shit about Harlequins(and how a solitaire can actually scare a chaos space marine 1 one 1) and Necrons. The Cawl books? Everything from space marines to necrons. Dawn of Fire you get administratum based stories, shit like Illyan Natase back(full blooded eldar this time around), knight houses, guard units, and so on. Hell, one of the more recent Ork books was somewhere around 1/3 admech. Latest necron book has an arbites as a main character, and goes into autistic detail about admech poop trains.

You've got to look beyond what faction/character is on the cover.

I hope they give us more Crime/Horror/Weird Shit novels in the future now that HH is wrapped up. As much as I do enjoy my slog through the HH, I enjoy the weirder one offs like the Ufthak/day of ascension or the bonkers schlock bullshit like Last Chancers.

LOL, they've started The Scouring series. HH isn't over until they say it's over. Hell, they made a book dedicated to the dropsite massacre at the end of last year, having already covered that in the main HH series ages ago already. But now if you want the literal psychic message sent across the galaxy regarding wolves in snow and shit after Istvaan 3 to let everyone know Horus is a traitor, it's been written now.

I mean, i already own an ork army and I cant just hop over and start playing speed waaagh list with 40 bikes in it. I would have to spend money to do that. Too many times I've seen rules that might inspire me to build or play in a certain way only for it to be totally changed in 30 days time.

It's really not that deep.

And some people just already have the stuff painted. I'd assume that to be the case first when someone mentions playing a detachment than having to go out and buy, then assemble, and paint it. People have been in this hobby for decades, what a weird perspective to just assume people have small collections.

 

[creaturestorm]

And some people just already have the stuff painted. I'd assume that to be the case first when someone mentions playing a detachment than having to go out and buy, then assemble, and paint it. People have been in this hobby for decades, what a weird perspective to just assume people have small collections.

I've been collecting for a long while and I cant just throw anything down on the table to match the ever evolving catalog and rule set.

I'm just warning people to not by into a moving target, 11th is on its way, weird you'd take offense to it.

 

[DiabeticSydePhil]

Fall of Cadia is basically split... 50/25/10/10/5 between guard, sisters of battle, space marines, chaos, and random shit like Cawl and Trazyn.

I have that sitting on my shelf to start soon, all the more reason to get to it.

Overall I enjoy the mixed faction stuff, which has always sort of been a thing, and I appreciate it more than when they had an autistic fixation on always having a third faction show up in the last 50 pages.

I just also wish we got more stuff like the Crime novels but for, like, other things. A novel totally focusing in on one aspect of the setting and a 'lower scale' story.

Or some absolutely wild shit like the Assassinorum novel where it's James Bond and his team of weirdfuck assassins murdering and scheming to make sure a Knight planet joins the Imperium. That one was waaaaaaay better than it had any right to.

 

[p1138]

I've been collecting for a long while and I cant just throw anything down on the table to match the ever evolving catalog and rule set.

I'm just warning people to not by into a moving target, 11th is on its way, weird you'd take offense to it.

I didn't take "offense" to it, it's just weird that your default when someone mentions the idea of trying new rules is that they need to go consoom more. And no shit 11th is on the way... with the same detachments from 10th rolling over into 11th.

I have that sitting on my shelf to start soon, all the more reason to get to it.

Yeah, it's a silly book but it's decent. Avengers end-game type of shit in a way, and the space marines in it are probably the most retarded.

Overall I enjoy the mixed faction stuff, which has always sort of been a thing, and I appreciate it more than when they had an autistic fixation on always having a third faction show up in the last 50 pages.

Yeah I get what you're saying about the surprise last act "and here's the real bad guys!" type shit.

I just also wish we got more stuff like the Crime novels but for, like, other things. A novel totally focusing in on one aspect of the setting and a 'lower scale' story.

There is that HIVE duology from Abnett that got announced back in March. Hopefully it'll be more of that, less space marine bullshit more common man world building and experience.

Or some absolutely wild shit like the Assassinorum novel where it's James Bond and his team of weirdfuck assassins murdering and scheming to make sure a Knight planet joins the Imperium. That one was waaaaaaay better than it had any right to.

Yeah that one is also Robert Rath. Like Infinite and Divine, and Ashes of Cadia. If I had to rate them, I&D is a 9/10, assassinorum is a solid 8/10, ashes of cadia 7/10. He seems like one of the few black library authors that actually understands that he's writing pulp action schlock and not some grand narrative that people will be giving a shit about for centuries, and as a result it's great. Rather than so many of the black library books just being ww1/ww2 but in space and the author jerking themselves off about how the noises of the bolters echo off of armor or something(bolter porn is boring).

 

[Dead Lion]

Is the Armagedon Box for SoB worth it for the money? Looks like a straight update form the Combat Patrol and I've been thinking about getting into them.

I know repentia are better than flagellants and it seems like a good box to build an army around but no battleline units seems retarded. The math is really good since the Paragons alone are worth 90 bucks.

The real reason they added Femstodes is because they're writing out SoS from the faction and don't want to deal with 'GW REMOVES female models from faction' or whatever the fuck.

Femstodes let them have female models and also axe SoS entirely without it 'looking bad'.

Which is a shame, because SoS and SoB are both cool armies with lore the writers never get permission/feel like expanding on.

It's not any deeper than 'make a female model for custodes because we're axing a different female model'

They would need to seriously expand the custodes range for that to work. Custodes proper notoriously struggle against chaff and SoS fix that.

 

[DiabeticSydePhil]

Yeah that one is also Robert Rath. Like Infinite and Divine, and Ashes of Cadia. If I had to rate them, I&D is a 9/10, assassinorum is a solid 8/10, ashes of cadia 7/10. He seems like one of the few black library authors that actually understands that he's writing pulp action schlock and not some grand narrative that people will be giving a shit about for centuries, and as a result it's great. Rather than so many of the black library books just being ww1/ww2 but in space and the author jerking themselves off about how the noises of the bolters echo off of armor or something(bolter porn is boring).

I'd rate them the say way. Sometimes I DO want bolter porn, but not always. I just want fun stories and that almost always means the writers being aware of the setting they're writing.

Hiveworld zombies in a horror novel? Sink the Bismarck in a retarded means nothing plot in HH? Wacky ass murder cult detective mystery (or the even wackier ogryn/ratling buddy crime comedy) novel? A+ entertainment as long as the writer understands the assignment.

The only bad novels are when you get a guy who doesn't 'get' the setting like the absolutely fuck awful Dark Angels HH novel, where its a miserable slog by someone who either didn't understand the setting or had pitched a different book and had to edit it (but both DA books are trash, so I assume the first).

I know people hate Battle in the Abyss (I could see being mad if you read it at release expecting it to matter) but its such a cheesy Sink the Bismarck summer blockbuster action movie I love it.

 

[The tired cat]

I mean, i already own an ork army and I cant just hop over and start playing speed waaagh list with 40 bikes in it. I would have to spend money to do that. Too many times I've seen rules that might inspire me to build or play in a certain way only for it to be totally changed in 30 days time.

It's really not that deep.

I mean, both detachments are just heavy on ork troops (and flashgitz which I already had cause of Taktikal Brigade) and Blitz Brigade has mostly around trukks, which I have like three of em. So, I dunno what else I need to buy for either of em.

 

[creaturestorm]

Blitz Brigade has mostly around trukks, which I have like three of em. So, I dunno what else I need to buy for either of em.

When i looked that that it said to me 'spam battle wagons full of expensive shit'.

I didn't take "offense" to it, it's just weird that your default when someone mentions the idea of trying new rules is that they need to go consoom more. And no shit 11th is on the way... with the same detachments from 10th rolling over into 11th.

It seems weird to you because you're fucking retard lmao. The whole point of these detachments is to nudge people into buying and building new stuff so GW can churn a profit.

Welcome to Live Services.

Not that buying things is a bad thing, but were coming up on an edition change, your hobby investment at the midnight hour might not go as planned.

 

[p1138]

It seems weird to you because you're fucking retard lmao. The whole point of these detachments is to nudge people into buying and building new stuff so GW can churn a profit.

Or if you already have the shit... then you don't need to buy anything. Why is this such a difficult concept? Even without needing to own 10,000 points worth of orks, if someone has the shit that a detachment supports... then there's no need to buy anything. Nevermind that you don't need to buy shit from GW either at this point.

Welcome to Live Services.

As if it wasn't always a bunch of microtransactions for rules and shit? Except now you actually get updates if your army is anything other than space marines, with no more "fuck it, I guess we'll just go 10 years without any changes" as if that was better.

Not that buying things is a bad thing, but were coming up on an edition change, your hobby investment at the midnight hour might not go as planned.

Or because GW has already said the 10th detachments are going forward into 11th, not to mention it isn't as if having more models painted is a bad thing since that's part of the hobby as well. Eventually if you continually paint models, instead of just buying to chase a meta, you'll have the models needed for a detachment or rules update later on.

Stop projecting your particular circumstances onto other people.

 

[creaturestorm]

Or if you already have the shit..

Very cool for a minority of players for sure, but it doesn't make anything i said less true.

As if it wasn't always a bunch of microtransactions for rules and shit? Except now you actually get updates if your army is anything other than space marines, with no more "fuck it, I guess we'll just go 10 years without any changes" as if that was better.

Purchases were much more infrequent and much cheaper. You're physical rules and models stayed valid for "10 years with out change".

There is a beauty in paying once and being set for multiple editions even if it means slower updates. I'd rather have stagnate rules than flavor of the week slop with a designer price tag.

Or because GW has already said the 10th detachments are going forward into 11th, not to mention it isn't as if having more models painted is a bad thing since that's part of the hobby as well. Eventually if you continually paint models, instead of just buying to chase a meta, you'll have the models needed for a detachment or rules update later on.

Stop projecting your particular circumstances onto other people.

That's not the safety net your pretending it to be . Data sheets, points costs, and core rules changes happen frequently. You basically said it yourself.

Painting shit you no longer want to play with or dislike sucks.

"Just collect enough stuff and you'll be fine eventually" Isn't a defense of the system, this is just some kind of weird sunk cost fallacy meets hedge betting against bad design. If the only way to stay flexible is to own it all, that's not a good thing. It's just normalizing the problem in the first place.

You criticize meta chasing purchases, but then encourage people to buy shit up as well. Your method just has a longer time to pay off.

 

[p1138]

Purchases were much more infrequent and much cheaper. You're physical rules and models stayed valid for "10 years with out change".

Yes, so if your purchases turned out to be shit on the tabletop, there was nothing to be done about it, except buy more.

That's not the safety net your pretending it to be . Data sheets, points costs, and core rules changes happen frequently. You basically said it yourself.

I didn't say it was a safety net? And yes, that means if you like a model that happens to be shit, it's not necessarily going to be shit for a decade and could actually see some use on the table after an update.

Painting shit you no longer want to play with or dislike sucks.

Painting is part of the hobby. You can paint models that you like but don't have good datasheets at the time you're painting them.

"Just collect enough stuff and you'll be fine eventually" Isn't a defense of the system, this is just some kind of weird sunk cost fallacy meets hedge betting against bad design. If the only way to stay flexible is to own it all, that's not a good thing. It's just normalizing the problem in the first place.

You criticize meta chasing purchases, but then encourage people to buy shit up as well. Your method just has a longer time to pay off.

Isn't it crazy how many people in this hobby are fucking illiterate?

Nevermind that you don't need to buy shit from GW either at this point.

We didn't have easy access to 3d printers 20 years ago to just print whatever the fuck you want for a few cents worth of resin or plastic. Even recasters are easier to find and buy from at a fraction of the price compared to GW.

So yes, if you pick a faction and continually paint shit for that faction over a long enough span of time, you should have a variety of models painted and ready to play on the table as things bounce around between vehicles, infantry, characters, etc. and this is doable without even giving GW a single cent at this point. Fuck, even the rules are easier to get a hold of these days compared to being expected to carry around a half dozen books and random fucking magazines just to have your army rules on hand, again without paying GW.

Consoom is not the answer.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Real THADS still use Rogue Trader

 

[An Old Salt]

So with 11th around the corner I was curious if y'all have been painting anything specifically to get ready for the new rules?

I've been slowly working on building up a csm army for a bit now and just finished my lord discordant. Included a shot with the rest of my army (or the fully painted part at least). Hoping to at least get the cultists painted next, but vashtor has been eying me from my pile of shame.

 

[harbringer883]

Well it's even dumber since the "terminus level" weapon that was also stashed on Titan by order of Malcador with the Grey Knights was the fucking anti astartes plague made by Basilio Fo, which would actually make more sense as a terminus decree, was written and released before the fucking codex with the stupid prank version written in it.

Also, of course that poster above is another fucking tourist.

Anyway. From the image of the preview for the preview...
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Intercessors, eradicators(we saw these on the front of the box already), captain, librarian, vanvets, chaplain is what appears to be visible.

You can also see the ancients banner.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

Real THADS still use Rogue Trader

I legit want to try it, but shit, finding a second hand copy for a reasonable price ain't easy.

 

[Humble Architect]

So with 11th around the corner I was curious if y'all have been painting anything specifically to get ready for the new rules?

I've been slowly working on building up a csm army for a bit now and just finished my lord discordant. Included a shot with the rest of my army (or the fully painted part at least). Hoping to at least get the cultists painted next, but vashtor has been eying me from my pile of shame.

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I’m out of commission painting right now, I’d like to finish up my EC when I’m free and maybe get a Defiler, kits being for every chaos range are rare and I’m all for it.

 

[HistrionicBitch]

So with 11th around the corner I was curious if y'all have been painting anything specifically to get ready for the new rules?

Not really. Currently working on a big hive city themed display shelf for my Inquisition army and that is taking up all my time.. and my dining room table as its too big to go on the hobby desk.

 

[The tired cat]

When i looked that that it said to me 'spam battle wagons full of expensive shit'.

I guess? Like I dont see much of a reason to have a battlewagon. Usually it was when you had Ghaz on the table, but now you can attach him to a unit of 20 boyz with a weirdboi and just bamf around the battlefield.